Argentinian president tests positive to covid-19 after being vaccinated

[Coyster]

A couple of Covid-19 vaccines have been produced and distributed already, but sentiments still abound amongst the populace as to if they should or should not be vaccinated, and with the latest development, I think those sentiments surely must have grown stronger as Argentinian president Alberto Fernandez has tested positive to Covid-19 despite having being vaccinated with the Russian-made Sputnik V vaccine early on in the year.

What implications do you think will arise from this news? Will it dampen the believe of people in the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines, and will it also strengthen the arguments of anti-vaxxers that natural immunity could actually be superior to that of vaccine immunity?

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/04/americas/argentina-alberto-fernndez-covid-19-sputnik-vaccine-intl-latam/index.html

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[Poker Player]

That's nothing new for me.

Vaccines do not prevent you from catching the virus or transmitting it. What they do seem to do is prevent you from developing a serious clinical picture as a result of the virus. It has also been said lately that they reduce the probability of catching the virus, but they do not prevent it.

By the way, I am in favor of vaccines and have had a few throughout my life, but I am against being forced to have this one. I don't know if that makes me anti-vax or what.

[suchmoon]

A sample of one doesn't really mean anything, except to people who thrive on anecdotes as "evidence" for their conspiracy theories.

It's not a secret that none of the COVID-19 vaccines are 100% effective but they are effective enough to reduce the spread of the virus to the point where we can reasonably consider it under control.

[Mauser]

A couple of Covid-19 vaccines have been produced and distributed already, but sentiments still abound amongst the populace as to if they should or should not be vaccinated, and with the latest development, I think those sentiments surely must have grown stronger as Argentinian president Alberto Fernandez has tested positive to Covid-19 despite having being vaccinated with the Russian-made Sputnik V vaccine early on in the year.

What implications do you think will arise from this news? Will it dampen the believe of people in the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines, and will it also strengthen the arguments of anti-vaxxers that natural immunity could actually be superior to that of vaccine immunity?

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/04/americas/argentina-alberto-fernndez-covid-19-sputnik-vaccine-intl-latam/index.html

This is very alarming news for everybody who got the Sputnik vaccine.  I am not so familiar with the Sputnik V vaccine because it is not allowed in my country yet, but a lot of countries are already using it. Maybe the vaccine is not as useful as the companies proclaim? We are using various vaccines for month now but still don't have any studies about the effectiveness of the vaccines compared to each other. I would like to get more information from the government about the long term immunity of vaccines.

[tabas]

That's not a new news, there were news like this before that have came out when the vaccines have rolled out. Most of the vaccines are not yet 100% guaranteed so there will still be cases like this not only for that vaccine but for other vaccines too made by other pharmaceutical companies.

[Call me Fada]

          Hello OP vaccines 💉 don’t prevent viruses 🦠 from entering the body, according to Oxford dictionary a vaccine 💉 is a substance used to stimulate the production of anti bodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases prepared from the causative agent of a disease 🦠, its product or a synthetic substitute, treated to act like an antigen without inducing the disease..
       From my understanding vaccines 💉 only doesn’t prevent you from getting infected, they only reduces the chances of contacting the virus 🦠 probably if you were to catch the virus 🦠 at one glance or contact with someone who has. Vaccines 💉 helps you not to contact viruses 🦠 easily as supposed.
     For example you have HIV human immune virus 🦠 and you have been injected a vaccine 💉 to protect you, then you as the victim goes ahead to have unprotected sex, hey buddy you just registered yourself  AIDS acquired immune deficiency syndrome. It doesn’t stop ✋ you from getting infected with AIDS because you have taken the vaccines 💉 hell no.
        It doesn’t work that way you gotta be safe and still obey all guidelines and instructions given to you, please let’s be guided 😎 and not mis-interpret things, inculcate the habit of comprehending before unleashing information. We’re all here to learn anyways.
      I bow out 🤓

[jrrsparkles]

Efficacy of the vaccines reduced a lot now from what they claimed when they found it due to the mutation behaviour found on the covid virus means the vaccines are not completely useless but it may not be effective with the people who are tested positive for the new strain.

[Sophiya]

  The example with HIV is not entirely successful, since the virus mutates all the time and its vaccination is not yet possible.  (do not confuse with AIDS, it is no longer a virus, but a disease).  But we can talk about such a disease as smallpox.
  Now you will not meet him, but earlier it was a big problem, which was solved thanks to vaccination.  Vaccines not only reduce the severity of the disease, they prevent the development of the disease.  If a person is vaccinated against smallpox, and after that he will have contact with an infected person, then the chance of his infection is minimal.  Of course it is, but thanks to worldwide vaccination, smallpox has been defeated.  
  The vaccine is not a barrier that blocks the entry of the virus.  
  A vaccine is killed or live microorganisms, their components (possibly chemical vaccines), which, when introduced into the body, cause the production of antibodies and memory cells by immune cells.  After vaccination, immunity develops (its duration depends individually on the vaccine) and, upon contact with the original viruses, the antibodies fight the antigens of the virus.  Not to be confused with sera, when ready-made antibodies are injected into a person.
   Of course, the strength of immunity during vaccination of adults and children depends on the state of the body's immune system.
   As for the Sputnik V vaccine, it consists of two components, each of which includes a recombinant adenoviral vector based on the human adenovirus.  If you skip all molecular biology, then after the vaccine is injected, the vector gene enters human cells, as a result of which they produce S-protein in response to which antibodies to this protein are produced in the host's body (inoculated).  The introduction of the second component of the vaccine promotes the production of memory cells and the formation of a more complete immunity.  But the problem is that the virus also mutates, the structure of its membrane and proteins changes, which can cause the disease, after vaccination.  And of course, the initial state of the immune system plays an important role (it is difficult to predict whether the required amount of antibodies will be released).
  Another issue is preclinical and clinical trials of the vaccine, which were carried out in a very accelerated mode (judging from the results of 3 phases of trials).
  But it’s impossible to invent an ideal placebo in two years.  In my opinion, you shouldn't be afraid of vaccinations.  I myself want to be vaccinated, but in our city now it is not even there, only military personnel are vaccinated. I will digress a little from the topic, but I want to recommend that you do not especially ignore the vaccination schedule by age)

[tabas]

Efficacy of the vaccines reduced a lot now from what they claimed when they found it due to the mutation behaviour found on the covid virus means the vaccines are not completely useless but it may not be effective with the people who are tested positive for the new strain.

The efficacy rates only tells how much percentage it is that's likely going to work. They have classified it from mild conditions to severe and it changes based from the range of the age that the person that will take the vaccine. They're not really useless, who would ever say that and wants to get vaccinated is bias. Look at the countries that have immediately done their mass vaccination, they're completely and near back to their old lives.

[jrrsparkles]

Efficacy of the vaccines reduced a lot now from what they claimed when they found it due to the mutation behaviour found on the covid virus means the vaccines are not completely useless but it may not be effective with the people who are tested positive for the new strain.

The efficacy rates only tells how much percentage it is that's likely going to work. They have classified it from mild conditions to severe and it changes based from the range of the age that the person that will take the vaccine. They're not really useless, who would ever say that and wants to get vaccinated is bias. Look at the countries that have immediately done their mass vaccination, they're completely and near back to their old lives.

Or those countries are yet to face their second wave? Look at what is happening in Brazil and India like companies, they also tried the vaccination but it seems not working well talking about the particular person who got vaccinated had been tested positive means the belief will get lower for sure.

[tabas]

Efficacy of the vaccines reduced a lot now from what they claimed when they found it due to the mutation behaviour found on the covid virus means the vaccines are not completely useless but it may not be effective with the people who are tested positive for the new strain.

The efficacy rates only tells how much percentage it is that's likely going to work. They have classified it from mild conditions to severe and it changes based from the range of the age that the person that will take the vaccine. They're not really useless, who would ever say that and wants to get vaccinated is bias. Look at the countries that have immediately done their mass vaccination, they're completely and near back to their old lives.

Or those countries are yet to face their second wave? Look at what is happening in Brazil and India like companies, they also tried the vaccination but it seems not working well talking about the particular person who got vaccinated had been tested positive means the belief will get lower for sure.

I don't think that there's any wave going to those countries. They've managed to gain and order the first batches of the vaccines and that's why they're going back to the normal.
If ever there will be some recorded cases, it isn't that much compare to the other countries that are experiencing 2nd and 3rd wave.

[BADecker]

A couple of Covid-19 vaccines have been produced and distributed already, but sentiments still abound amongst the populace as to if they should or should not be vaccinated, and with the latest development, I think those sentiments surely must have grown stronger as Argentinian president Alberto Fernandez has tested positive to Covid-19 despite having being vaccinated with the Russian-made Sputnik V vaccine early on in the year.

What implications do you think will arise from this news? Will it dampen the believe of people in the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines, and will it also strengthen the arguments of anti-vaxxers that natural immunity could actually be superior to that of vaccine immunity?

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/04/americas/argentina-alberto-fernndez-covid-19-sputnik-vaccine-intl-latam/index.html

Actually, it will turn the belief of the people into knowledge of what is really going on. The question is, do they really care?

[Mpamaegbu]

What implications do you think will arise from this news?

It's a worrisome development to tell you the truth, honestly. It will further increase anxiety and prove the vaccine skeptics right that taking a covid vaccine is of no good. Besides, I think the so much secrecy coming from the Chinese government on the vaccine from China tells me something is wrong with the whole vaccine thing. For instance, why would China coerce people going into China to take only the Chinese vaccine without which they're subjected to horrendous experience getting visas.

That's nothing new for me.

Vaccines do not prevent you from catching the virus or transmitting it. What they do seem to do is prevent you from developing a serious clinical picture as a result of the virus. It has also been said lately that they reduce the probability of catching the virus, but they do not prevent it.

Well, my elementary knowledge (that's putting it mildly, any way) on vaccine tells me that once it's administered it introduces a pseudonym version of the disease it intends to prevent by alerting the body that it already has it and preventing the real disease from coming in. Except where an administered vaccine fails, otherwise the disease has no ability to effect the body again.

[jrrsparkles]

I don't think that there's any wave going to those countries. They've managed to gain and order the first batches of the vaccines and that's why they're going back to the normal.
If ever there will be some recorded cases, it isn't that much compare to the other countries that are experiencing 2nd and 3rd wave.

There is no second wave in many countries but my question is whether they are yet to face or the completely eradicated it? The answer is they are also at the risk of facing the second wave because people who got vaccinated for the early strain may have the chance to get infected by the new strain or atleast they can be a transact the virus from one to another place.

[LTU_btc]

This is very alarming news for everybody who got the Sputnik vaccine.  I am not so familiar with the Sputnik V vaccine because it is not allowed in my country yet, but a lot of countries are already using it. Maybe the vaccine is not as useful as the companies proclaim? We are using various vaccines for month now but still don't have any studies about the effectiveness of the vaccines compared to each other. I would like to get more information from the government about the long term immunity of vaccines.

I'm not here to defend Sputnik V, but none of vaccines can guarantee 100% protection. For example, Sputnik V is 91.6% effective. So, it's still possible to get infected, but vaccine protects from serious forms of disease and helps to recover more easy.

The answer is they are also at the risk of facing the second wave because people who got vaccinated for the early strain may have the chance to get infected by the new strain or atleast they can be a transact the virus from one to another place.

I don't know about all vaccines, but I read that Pfizer vaccine is effective against all so far discovered strains of virus.
But what is possible, people who got vaccine in early phase, their immunity will be gone untill majority of population will get vaccinated.

[tabas]

I don't think that there's any wave going to those countries. They've managed to gain and order the first batches of the vaccines and that's why they're going back to the normal.
If ever there will be some recorded cases, it isn't that much compare to the other countries that are experiencing 2nd and 3rd wave.

There is no second wave in many countries but my question is whether they are yet to face or the completely eradicated it? The answer is they are also at the risk of facing the second wave because people who got vaccinated for the early strain may have the chance to get infected by the new strain or atleast they can be a transact the virus from one to another place.

They've completely eradicated it, another news is from Israel that they might remove face mask outdoors and they're preparing for it. They've won it because they've fully vaccinated their citizens and everyone cooperated with it. Of course they're aware of the possible next wave but if they've entirely eradicated it, they only have to get to the measures of their borders and people who would come in to them to still check and do quarantines if necessary.

[jrrsparkles]

I don't think that there's any wave going to those countries. They've managed to gain and order the first batches of the vaccines and that's why they're going back to the normal.
If ever there will be some recorded cases, it isn't that much compare to the other countries that are experiencing 2nd and 3rd wave.

There is no second wave in many countries but my question is whether they are yet to face or the completely eradicated it? The answer is they are also at the risk of facing the second wave because people who got vaccinated for the early strain may have the chance to get infected by the new strain or atleast they can be a transact the virus from one to another place.

They've completely eradicated it, another news is from Israel that they might remove face mask outdoors and they're preparing for it. They've won it because they've fully vaccinated their citizens and everyone cooperated with it. Of course they're aware of the possible next wave but if they've entirely eradicated it, they only have to get to the measures of their borders and people who would come in to them to still check and do quarantines if necessary.

Countries who thought that they are now free from the virus are now facing the worse situation, maybe they vaccinated people but only one new strain unnoticed can put the complete country in danger zone and getting infected again.

[BADecker]

Argentinian president tests positive to covid-19 after being vaccinated


No big deal. He just became one of millions of super-spreaders. They should be called super-manure-spreaders. Why? Because they are simply the first stage of the wickedness the medical and Big Pharma have planned next.

[tabas]

Countries who thought that they are now free from the virus are now facing the worse situation, maybe they vaccinated people but only one new strain unnoticed can put the complete country in danger zone and getting infected again.

But for those countries that I've mentioned, they really survived and eradicated the virus. But too bad that you're right, there are still plenty of countries that haven't overcome the virus.
Well, that soon shall pass and everyone has to follow and help to eradicate the virus by following the protocols and not being selfish but to respect that they're also living with other people who fears the virus.

[BADecker]

Countries who thought that they are now free from the virus are now facing the worse situation, maybe they vaccinated people but only one new strain unnoticed can put the complete country in danger zone and getting infected again.

But for those countries that I've mentioned, they really survived and eradicated the virus. But too bad that you're right, there are still plenty of countries that haven't overcome the virus.
Well, that soon shall pass and everyone has to follow and help to eradicate the virus by following the protocols and not being selfish but to respect that they're also living with other people who fears the virus.

You'll know that they made it when each person in the country starts taking about 30,000 units of vitamin D a day, along with about 3 grams of vitamin C + zinc.