Will vaccine passports lead to the demise of vaccines?

[Jet Cash]

We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?

[Poker Player]

It sounds too good to be true to me. There are too many economic interests at stake. Do you think that after everything that has happened, they are going to recognize that 95% of the people do not need the vaccine? Not a chance. The pharmaceutical companies are going to sell vaccines like crazy.

[franky1]

you will NOT and never will need a 'covid passport' for going to a retail store pub or cafe

no one will be stupid to pay £120 to have a test just to be confirmed negative to be able to have a pint and then need to pay another £120 a few days later to reconfirm they are not infected to have another pint on another day

businesses would never demand such a stupid thing either

the covid passports are for those who want to fly to countries on aeroplanes(cylinder air prisons) but dont want to quarantine
by being vaccinated or having a test within 48 hours of the plane ride. allows passengers to not have to be put in quarantine on arrival

if only the conspiracy idiots would actually do two things. they could alleviate their own fears
1. realise they they as basement dwellers wont travel on a plane anyway. thus hve no need for a covid pass
2. realise the covid pass wont be used for grocery stores or pubs

[philipma1957]

you will NOT and never will need a 'covid passport' for going to a retail store pub or cafe

no one will be stupid to pay £120 to have a test just to be confirmed negative to be able to have a pint and then need to pay another £120 a few days later to reconfirm they are not infected to have another pint on another day

businesses would never demand such a stupid thing either

the covid passports are for those who want to fly to countries on aeroplanes(cylinder air prisons) but dont want to quarantine
by being vaccinated or having a test within 48 hours of the plane ride. allows passengers to not have to be put in quarantine on arrival

if only the conspiracy idiots would actually do two things. they could alleviate their own fears
1. realise they they as basement dwellers wont travel on a plane anyway. thus hve no need for a covid pass
2. realise the covid pass wont be used for grocery stores or pubs

Many anti vaxers fear this vaccine 💉 will hurt and kill you.

But if I were a super villian looking to waste people I would not waste compliant people I would waste free thinkers.

So if ⅔ of the world gets a vaccine and follows orders ⅓ resists.

that is 2.7 billion smart guy free thinkers guys like the op an anti vaxer and a free thinker.

So Jet Cash would be targeted with the next virus covid-22 or covid -23

it is already made 5 times as deadly as  covid-19

And all the no mask no vaccine people will be at super high risk since they would be the natural targets.

villains always target none compliant people.

So frankly choice
a is villians looking to whack free thinkers that resist
b is villians looking to whack easy to control people that follow them
c no villains honest science vax is lessor of two evils
d no villains honest science vax is worst of two evils
e no villains honest science math is about the same shot or no shot.

I figure a to be more likely the b so pro shot
I figure c to be more likely than d or e pro shot.

the least likely is b
the second least likely may or may not be d

not sure what to think about e.

so will I get a shot. If they tell me I can have an appointment I would take the phizer.

[SeaBits]

We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?

It may be a good idea on paper but I'm thinking of the privacy and ethical implications that come with this "passport". We all know they'll be collecting more data than they need to, just take a look at the most recent data breaches in the news. Countries that mandate this vaccine will be met with some type of resistance. I wouldn't be surprised if an underground market emerges to obtain 'certifications' in these areas.

[philipma1957]

We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?

It may be a good idea on paper but I'm thinking of the privacy and ethical implications that come with this "passport". We all know they'll be collecting more data than they need to, just take a look at the most recent data breaches in the news. Countries that mandate this vaccine will be met with some type of resistance. I wouldn't be surprised if an underground market emerges to obtain 'certifications' in these areas.

 I can get faked documents on craigs list and on ebay.

[franky1]

'privacy'??

when you have  vaccine its done by a medical centre who have medical records anyway.
yep they know your name and health history already so marking a record that you had a vaccine changes nothing.. thats how medical record have always worked..

they simply put it on your medical record. and separately for privacy reasons put just the vaccination detail on a separate database

when you book a flight and get on a plane. the airline already knew your name and home address and bank details anyway(you booked and paid for the flight)
being told you been vaccinated does not mean they know your entire medical history
giving them your credit card number doesnt give them your entire bank statement history
..
the schemes are not about giving a bar owner access to your whole life of bank records and medical history

its just a scheme for airlines to know just about vaccination. not the other medical stuff
they are not accessing your medical records they are getting the data from a separate database of only the vaccine

if your concerned about governments
even without a vaccine database. the government can still get a warrant for bank details .. and a warrant for medical records and learn your whole life history
the vaccine database does not have your bank details. nor your medical record. so it doesnt make any difference

if you think that the vaccine database reveals your name.. well stop crying because you already provided your name when you booked the flight. yep airlines have always known the names of people flying on their planes

having a vaccine and that recorded on a vaccine database does not reveal you went on a plane. just vaccine related data
again governments will still need to piece your medical records and your bank history and your flight history by getting a warrant for all 3 separate things from different departments

the vaccine database does not reveal those other things in one place

but im going to emphasise this
governments can work out alot about you by looking at all the other things. its never been about they cant. its about that you are (if not involved in a crime) not important enough for them to get data from your hospital/bank/airline

a vaccine database does not make you less private in any way

yep ill emphasise this again
you are not important enough for them to even bother investigating so they are not even bothering to build a case against you of your whole life....... unless your a criminal of interest

..
the only fear i think anti-vaxx idiots should fear.. is that while publicly saying they are anti-vax. if their cult leaders hacked the vaccine database and found out which of their 'devoted' followers secretly had the vaccine. thus being removed from the anti-vax cult. and losing their 'friendships' in their cultish community

[Timelord2067]

We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?

You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life, otherwise you would be aware of the World Health Organisation's International Certificates of Vaccinations Booklets that have been around for decades.  I live in Australia and everything from my Influenza, Pneumonia and similar annual jabs through to Yellow Fever, Rabies and Tetanus shots can all be recorded.



Check out Smart Vaccination Certificate Working Group for more information.

[Jet Cash]

You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life,

Not during the last 60 years. That's probably why I don't get 'flu or other viruses/sickness. I don't take any pharma medication either, and that includes anti-biotics, antacids or pain killers. I do drink coffee and quality alcohol, although I have cut down on the alcohol as I spend so much time in the van.

[Timelord2067]

You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life,

Not during the last 60 years. That's probably why I don't get 'flu or other viruses/sickness. I don't take any pharma medication either, and that includes anti-biotics, antacids or pain killers. I do drink coffee and quality alcohol, although I have cut down on the alcohol as I spend so much time in the van.

Smoking Pot?


Getting a vaccination is a requirement to travel to certain parts of the world to prevent contracting virus' already present in that region.  Certain countries or even airlines and cruise liners might require you to be inoculated prior to travel and the proof is in the documents you have (such as the Vaccine Certificate Booklet I mentioned earlier).

Will a vaccine prevent further outbreaks?  It already has for virus' such as Polio, Small Pox and similar.  If you're sixty, then you would have heard of the Polio/Chicken Pox etc Vaccinations when you were quite young.

[Jet Cash]

Smoking Pot?

Why would I need to smoke pot? I don't smoke anything, so I haven't destroyed my smell and taste buds, or reduced my libido. I can enjoy the smell and taste of a woman, and I don't have to rely on artificial stimuli to enhance a mechanical copulation.

Vaccination doesn't protect you from Covid, all it does is to weaken your immune system, and fool it into creating antibodies for a synthetic virus. It relies in your weakened innate immune system to protect you from the real virus. It isn't the number of people who survive vaccination that matters, it is the numbers who are damaged or die from these vaccines that are important. Nobody has died from not having the vaccine, although some have died from various medical problems such as insulin resistance, and these are being attributed to the Covid virus.

In reality, a store such as Primark which plans to insist on requiring vaccination for its customers, that poses more of a health risk than a store that has a general mix of the population. They will have a higher level of Covid immunity. Of course we can expect to see government insistence on passports with mobile apps as verification. This has nothing to do with health, but is another way to install trojans in our computing devices.

[Poker Player]

Nobody has died from not having the vaccine, although some have died from various medical problems such as insulin resistance, and these are being attributed to the Covid virus.

This is the first news I have had. Insulin resistance is a serious problem and is mainly due to eating too often and eating too many carbohydrates, mainly sugars.

Regarding Covid, what happens is the opposite, people who have insulin resistance are more prone to develop a serious clinical picture of COVID-19 as well as other diseases, but not the other way around.

I don't know if you can back that up what you say, I guess not, as usual.

[Timelord2067]

Vaccination doesn't protect you from Covid, all it does is to weaken your immune system,

Hmm...

That was very awkward to read.  

Not sure if you're Trolling or not.  Either way, I don't think you should be spreading misinformation (unless of course you can cite genuine (i.e. non-antivax rhetoric) research that has been peer reviewed).

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[odolvlobo]

Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses.

Please don't believe everything you read -- especially just because it validates your beliefs.

If 95% of the population is immune to corona viruses, then we could not have had a SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

And people would also not be getting sick from other corona viruses such as 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1.

At 95% immunity, transmission from one person to any other person is very unlikely, so it could not spread like it does, and therefore the claim cannot be true.

[Jet Cash]

This is the first news I have had. Insulin resistance is a serious problem and is mainly due to eating too often and eating too many carbohydrates, mainly sugars.

Regarding Covid, what happens is the opposite, people who have insulin resistance are more prone to develop a serious clinical picture of COVID-19 as well as other diseases, but not the other way around.

I don't know if you can back that up what you say, I guess not, as usual.

Thank you for backing up what I said.

[DigitalFox]

We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?

You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life, otherwise you would be aware of the World Health Organisation's International Certificates of Vaccinations Booklets that have been around for decades.  I live in Australia and everything from my Influenza, Pneumonia and similar annual jabs through to Yellow Fever, Rabies and Tetanus shots can all be recorded.



Check out Smart Vaccination Certificate Working Group for more information.

Ah, that reminded me of good old days of working in Africa and having one of these (well they were different those days, no QR codes etc LOL) for my travels. If I go through piles of my old papers I might find it, blow the dust off and use it for brand new Covid stamp  

[Timelord2067]

Ah, that reminded me of good old days of working in Africa and having one of these (well they were different those days, no QR codes etc LOL) for my travels. If I go through piles of my old papers I might find it, blow the dust off and use it for brand new Covid stamp  

My first booklet is a pale pink colour because the ((as it turns out) unregistered) nurse in the first aid room at my work place thought it'd be a great idea for the booklets to be pink when she was ordering them...  It wasn't until I went to a travel doctor that I was given a correct colour booklet. Now I've got three mostly full booklets and have turned up at pharmacies here in Oz and a GP's and a pharmacy in NZ and gotten various jabs (pneumonia, flu, tetanus etc) and none blink when I hand over the booklet, they just add the relevant information and sign.

Like the jabs themselves, very quick, very easy and very convenient to carry with you when traveling.

[paxmao]

... Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. ...

Any evidence please? Is this like your mucus theory? Did you go to a COVID plant without a mask to test it already?

The passports are a great idea, it will prevent people like you travel untested with people who have opted to get a vaccine to avoid killing others.

[Jet Cash]

Oh dear!

The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.

[paxmao]

Oh dear!

The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.

As usual... any serious evidence of any of your assertions? Other than that, I insist that you start kissing COVID patients to test your theories.

Crap. now that I know that you are 78 proving you wrong is no longer fun.