Diversifying with REITs - buy a prison :)

[paxmao]

Again, a post about an alternative investment, for those who want to have something apart from their bag of bitcoin. If you have considered investing outside the cryptosphere, you probably thought about buying real state and, unless you have quite a bit of assets or you live in a country that is cheap, you probably figured out that it requires significant investment (technically this is called "barrier to entry").

Well, there is a simple way to invest in real state and this is called a REIT, basically funds that invest in real state and usually give a large share of any rent profit as dividends (by law). The amazing thing about these is that you are not limited to one region or country and you can invest in a variety of real state assets, for example:
- Houses
- Care homes
- Prisons (yes, you read it right).
- Office space.
- Retail space.
- other...

Also the barriers to entry are really minimal is most of these. So, there you go, another option.

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[jaysabi]

I like real estate as an asset class, and I have a lot of REIT investments because of the tax advantages of owning them. That said, I can't think of a more morally objectionable real estate class than prison REITs.  Private prisons shouldn't even be a thing.  Data centers are a growing and much more palatable REIT investment in my book.

[Poker Player]

I like REITs and own some shares of Realty Income - The Monthly Dividend Company, . They do not invest in prisons but in commercial properties subject to long-term, net lease agreements.

Ideally, I will complement this in the future with a rental house, as REITs, although they are an interesting and profitable investment option, are still paper assets.

[Tytanowy Janusz]

Yea REITs are great. Didn't invest yet but was thinking a lot about it. The problem is I think its not the best moment to invest in the majority of REITs. When whole Europe and USA is in recession (hidden under stimulus checks). Its not so easy to find something that will not be affected by panic sellers.

[Mauser]

I wasn't aware that you could invest in prisons. Always thought they were some special companies owned partially by the county or state. This sounds very interesting. I saw in an documentary about prisons that the normal prisons are very profitable because inmates all have a job and are not getting paid a decent salary. So prisons with non life sentenced convicts have a pretty high percentage of the inmates working. The prisons that are not really profitable are the supermax ones where inmates remain in their cells all day.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

This is a pretty interesting way to make some more passive income stream, I really wanted to invest in real estate because I know the potential money that is in there and as time goes by, the prices of the land increases and most of my teachers told me that land is a good investment.

[SaiyanSS3]

When you start believing make profit out of prison, it has blown my mind, there is nothing else need to say. Low has to go even lower. Yeah it’s the brave new world, the climate change, lgbt, weaponise the inequality.

[fiulpro]

Yea REITs are great. Didn't invest yet but was thinking a lot about it. The problem is I think its not the best moment to invest in the majority of REITs. When whole Europe and USA is in recession (hidden under stimulus checks). Its not so easy to find something that will not be affected by panic sellers.

But won't it be a perfect opportunity to buy at a much lower price and then hold it for the long term ? This would then again work for those people only who do not mind holding for the long term but this is way different than any real world Investment in property rather its way more complicated but then again this is not available in all the countries but very limited ones only.

When you start believing make profit out of prison, it has blown my mind, there is nothing else need to say. Low has to go even lower. Yeah it’s the brave new world, the climate change, lgbt, weaponise the inequality.

Make profit out of prison?
That's just a real world solution to help the body avoid paying taxes which is not only intellegent but would also work integrating itself in the society and helping community for the long term. Well it's not weaponizing but rather using their brains to get through.

This is a pretty interesting way to make some more passive income stream, I really wanted to invest in real estate because I know the potential money that is in there and as time goes by, the prices of the land increases and most of my teachers told me that land is a good investment.

Yes but this is way different than a real estate investment you should read the article first before investing. After bitcoins I do think that real estate is the one which would give the most profits in the future due to increasing population.

I like real estate as an asset class, and I have a lot of REIT investments because of the tax advantages of owning them. That said, I can't think of a more morally objectionable real estate class than prison REITs.  Private prisons shouldn't even be a thing.  Data centers are a growing and much more palatable REIT investment in my book.

It is objectionable indeed but then again the whole Government and the centralized system is corrupted and objectionable itself.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I like REITs and own some shares of Realty Income - The Monthly Dividend Company, . They do not invest in prisons but in commercial properties subject to long-term, net lease agreements.

Yep, I know of that one and used to own shares in it.  I'm a fan of REIT stocks, though I don't currently have a lot of money invested in them.  AGNC and DX are two of my favorites because of their high monthly dividends--I've always been a dividend investor, and getting paid every month instead of every quarter is awesome.

I'd have no moral objections investing in a REIT that had prisons in its portfolio, though I do agree with some of the sentiments expressed here that private prisons shouldn't exist.  I've heard horror stories of abuse that goes on in some of them--but I've heard many of the same stories about government-owned prisons as well.  In any case, I don't choose my REITs based on the type of real estate they invest in but how much of a dividend they pay.

[Theb]

Fortunately most of the REIT companies right now are available for investment in the stock market but these types of assets are highly dependable on dividend payout rather than the price appreciation of the shares itself. Just like any other real estate companies out there for the ones receiving lease income as their main revenue you should always look at their active and upcoming projects, properties under their names, as well as to see how many active contracts they have. With regards to Prison based property REITs the main problem I am seeing is most of their revenue is coming from contracts related to the government and this is one of the riskiest thing you can handle especially if things like budget cuts and other reasons can take place that could directly affect the revenue of the prison.

[ChiBitCTy]

It should go without saying that if you're only investments are cryptocurrencies than you're doing it wrong.  Your investment portfolio should have a sound base of basic mutual funds/ETFs etc before you start to dig in to exotic/alternative investments.  I worked on the Alternative Investment team at a large Fortune 500 finance firm..so don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of them ( I really like Equity Linked Notes), but it's important to know the risks involved.  REITS are solid products, but just make sure you've got other investments ..diversification is key!

[aesma]

REITs or their equivalent can be fine, although there are plenty of shady stuff out there, so be careful what you're buying.

Corporate prisons are totally immoral and any freedom lover should hate them, however.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

This is a pretty interesting way to make some more passive income stream, I really wanted to invest in real estate because I know the potential money that is in there and as time goes by, the prices of the land increases and most of my teachers told me that land is a good investment.

Yes but this is way different than a real estate investment you should read the article first before investing. After bitcoins I do think that real estate is the one which would give the most profits in the future due to increasing population.

I di watch a Youtube video about it and I do like the idea, and I don't think that there isn't much to lose here since your investment will only grow ever higher since it is a real estate.

[Kittygalore]

I like real estate as an asset class, and I have a lot of REIT investments because of the tax advantages of owning them. That said, I can't think of a more morally objectionable real estate class than prison REITs.  Private prisons shouldn't even be a thing.  Data centers are a growing and much more palatable REIT investment in my book.

Government owned prisons are a hell hole compared to private prisons that have the facilities, I am for a humane prison system and if private prisons will give that then I wouldn't mind that my REIT has that kind of thing.

[Betwrong]

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I'd have no moral objections investing in a REIT that had prisons in its portfolio, though I do agree with some of the sentiments expressed here that private prisons shouldn't exist.  I've heard horror stories of abuse that goes on in some of them--but I've heard many of the same stories about government-owned prisons as well.  In any case, I don't choose my REITs based on the type of real estate they invest in but how much of a dividend they pay.

I'd say the same words, but in reality we can't sleep well when making profits from supporting something which is evil. Private prisons isn't a bad thing though. In many cases the inmates are getting better detention conditions than in the public sector. That's because contracts with private prison companies are signed on a competitive basis. Once all the prisons are owned by one entity, the government in our case, there's no competition, and the conditions there can worsen indefinitely. Maybe they won't, but we have to trust the government on that, while if people are imprisoned by a third party, we can trust the market.

[sheenshane]

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I'd have no moral objections investing in a REIT that had prisons in its portfolio, though I do agree with some of the sentiments expressed here that private prisons shouldn't exist.  I've heard horror stories of abuse that goes on in some of them--but I've heard many of the same stories about government-owned prisons as well.  In any case, I don't choose my REITs based on the type of real estate they invest in but how much of a dividend they pay.

I'd say the same words, but in reality we can't sleep well when making profits from supporting something which is evil. Private prisons isn't a bad thing though. In many cases the inmates are getting better detention conditions than in the public sector. That's because contracts with private prison companies are signed on a competitive basis. Once all the prisons are owned by one entity, the government in our case, there's no competition, and the conditions there can worsen indefinitely. Maybe they won't, but we have to trust the government on that, while if people are imprisoned by a third party, we can trust the market.

Meh as either but my presumption is might the Prisons are 99% owned by the government.
That’s why REITS for prison isn’t really something we can tell true (legally) or happening.

On the other hand, the good thing about it is the security it can give and of course, tax benefits.  Real estate is one of the secured industries and it would only take a 5-10 years recession to put it down.  However, dividends from own these assets are way too far from Bitcoin trading or investment when it comes to margins.

Most of the people here seek great risks and great rewards.  So I think it wouldn’t work that well here and also, most of the people here don’t want formal investments that much as they do stuff under the table IMO.

[SaiyanSS3]

>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5329806.msg56759476#msg56759476
>Well it's not weaponizing but rather using their brains to get through.
Fell for this
Jail is just a room
New meme
Jail is just a REIT

[blockman]

I've been interested to invest in REITs and the ones that mostly being offered in our country are condominiums. I'm surprised to hear that you can do that with prisons and I find it odd.

I like REITs and own some shares of Realty Income - The Monthly Dividend Company, . They do not invest in prisons but in commercial properties subject to long-term, net lease agreements.

Ideally, I will complement this in the future with a rental house, as REITs, although they are an interesting and profitable investment option, are still paper assets.

I'm thinking of it if I can't make it with REITs then that's the best option is to have an own house for rent to have passive income. Although, this needs more capital and a good location.

[franky1]

from a cost-profit numbering where least profit is first and most profit is last

home
office
retail
campsite land
carehome
prison

most to least maintenance
prison
carehome
office
retail
campsite land
home

room for expansion/multiplier.. least to most
home
retail
office
prison
carehome
campsite land

[Hydrogen]

Prisons rely on state subsidies for survival. Which could make them a less attractive investment as deficits rise and taxes are hiked to continue their existence. Based on the notion of spending and taxing ones way out of deficit and debt being fundamentally imperfect.

Another option is something known as "fractional real estate investment".

Where the cost prohibitive barrier to entry is divided into fractional pieces which lower dollar investors can afford. There are tokenized crypto versions of it.

Financial gurus and youtubers who brag about owning a fractional piece of casinos along with the allotted income that goes with it. Maybe an investment that is a little better than owning a piece of a prison.