Denmark Banned AstraZeneca vaccine for good

[mindrust]

https://news.yahoo.com/denmark-permanently-discontinue-astrazeneca-vaccine-102122205.html

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Denmark on Wednesday will become the first country to entirely cease administering AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine following its possible link to very rare cases of blood clots, several Danish media outlets reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources.

The decision, which would remove the shot from Denmark's vaccination scheme, could delay the country's vaccine rollout by up to four weeks, based on previous statements by health bodies.

I wonder how that will affect the AZ shares in the stock market. It is up almost 1.5% today!

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[Gyfts]

What's up with blood clotting and vaccines? The Johnson and Johnson vaccine apparently had some issues with blood clots. I wonder how people are suppose to make an educated choice on the vaccine they get. The vaccine is free in most first world countries, does the country choose what vaccine you get? Do you have a choice as a citizen?

[mindrust]

What's up with blood clotting and vaccines? The Johnson and Johnson vaccine apparently had some issues with blood clots. I wonder how people are suppose to make an educated choice on the vaccine they get. The vaccine is free in most first world countries, does the country choose what vaccine you get? Do you have a choice as a citizen?

They were supposed to test these stuff before they use it on people. They didn't. They didn't test the Biontech and modeRNA vaccines neither.

The best vaccine is the one you haven't taken yet.

[Mauser]

https://news.yahoo.com/denmark-permanently-discontinue-astrazeneca-vaccine-102122205.html

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Denmark on Wednesday will become the first country to entirely cease administering AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine following its possible link to very rare cases of blood clots, several Danish media outlets reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources.

The decision, which would remove the shot from Denmark's vaccination scheme, could delay the country's vaccine rollout by up to four weeks, based on previous statements by health bodies.

I wonder how that will affect the AZ shares in the stock market. It is up almost 1.5% today!

Denmark is pretty small country and as long as their is an shortage of vaccines I am sure other countries are going to pick up any excess doses. We still don't know for which part of the population the AstraZeneca vaccine is harmful,some say for older people, others say for younger woman who use the baby pill.

I also read that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is experiencing similar problems. I wish there were more information comparing all the different vaccines to each other.

[Natsuu]

What's up with blood clotting and vaccines? The Johnson and Johnson vaccine apparently had some issues with blood clots. I wonder how people are suppose to make an educated choice on the vaccine they get. The vaccine is free in most first world countries, does the country choose what vaccine you get? Do you have a choice as a citizen?

They were supposed to test these stuff before they use it on people. They didn't. They didn't test the Biontech and modeRNA vaccines neither.

The best vaccine is the one you haven't taken yet.

These effects doesn't occur to everyone injected. These occurs to some maybe 1/1000 or something.

And due to the lack of time in these time of pandemic, the clinical trial was shortened to the point that there are side effects that are not foreseen.

We all know that, clinical trial for vaccine lasts for about 6 years, while the current vaccines only have a clinical trial for a year or less.

But as I said, they are tested in rodents before tested in people, it is just that there are things that was not seen due to the shortness of the trials.

AND THERE ARE STILL NO CLEAR REASONS WHY THIS ADVERSE EFFECTS OCCUR

[Poker Player]

Well, on the one hand, it is clear that millions of people are not dying because of the vaccine, as I have read in this forum, but on the other hand, this confirms the feeling that many of us have that there has been a great hurry to commercialize vaccines that give multimillion profits to the companies, shortening the deadlines and exempting them from responsibility. It seems that the percentage of cases are few, but I think that some states have preferred to act with caution rather than prioritize haste, especially when other vaccines are available.

I know quite a few people who have already had the vaccine and (I know that my environment is not a reliable sample) apart from the issue of cloths, it is the one that has given the most unpleasant effects.

[LTU_btc]

And guess what, few other EU countries (including mine) already requested to get unused AstraZeneca vaccine from Denmark. But I'm curious to know how they are going to attract people for vaccination when there is so much negative information about this vaccine.

I know quite a few people who have already had the vaccine and (I know that my environment is not a reliable sample) apart from the issue of cloths, it is the one that has given the most unpleasant effects.

My mother got AstraZeneca vaccine few days ago. On the evening after she got it, her temperature get over 38°C and she got headache. But on the next days she was feeling fine already. I know it's normal symptoms after getting vaccine, but still, AstraZeneca is last vaccine that I would like to get.

[franky1]

These effects doesn't occur to everyone injected. These occurs to some maybe 1/1000 or something.

And due to the lack of time in these time of pandemic, the clinical trial was shortened to the point that there are side effects that are not foreseen.

in the 3-6 ,months of mid(1k) and high(20k) participation
they did not have any amounts of blood clots outside/above the norm unvaccinated populous had
it was only a couple cases out of the 20k

in the UK vaccines there were given out to 18million, only had 30 blood clot issues. and only 7 resulting deaths
cases 1/600,000     death: 1/2.75mill

in denmark vaccines there were given out to 140,000, only 2 blood clot issues. and only 1 resulting death
cases 1/70,000    death 1/140,000

the thing to learn here..

many idiotic conspiracy theorists claim that vaccine studies dont check care or monitor.. and yea by seeing these results in public shows they do check monitor and care
yep they idiots think there is a massive coverup and no transparency... and yet these numbers are public thus debunking them

its funny.. if they didnt check with just a few dozen cases.. or if they did check.. conspiracy idiots would be outraged both times

[franky1]

My mother got AstraZeneca vaccine few days ago. On the evening after she got it, her temperature get over 38°C and she got headache. But on the next days she was feeling fine already.

shows she has a good immune system
those that react with a longer delay. like getting a fever on day 3 means their immune system is not good

so take some positives. her immune system is very good and reactive. and settled down quickly after
what you dont want is a delayed reaction and a prolonged effect

so be happy your mom is good

but anyways with the odds of a death being 1/140k-1/2.5m from a vaccine infection..
thats alot better then
a 4/1000 death risk from covid(50-64)
a 13/1000 death risk from covid(65-74)
a 32/1000 death risk from covid(75-84)
a 87/1000 death risk from covid(85+)

~10,000x-100,000x better having the vaccine than having covid

[tabas]

does the country choose what vaccine you get? Do you have a choice as a citizen?

In my country, we're free to choose which vaccine to get. As long as it is in the supply but I'm not yet vaccinated, I'm not one of those priorities yet.

My mother got AstraZeneca vaccine few days ago. On the evening after she got it, her temperature get over 38°C and she got headache. But on the next days she was feeling fine already.

Did they gave a timeframe for how long to monitor her after the vaccination?

[LTU_btc]

Did they gave a timeframe for how long to monitor her after the vaccination?

I don't know, didn't asked about it. She just didn't went to work for 2 days. Though, after more than 24 hours since she got vaccine, she was feeling fine already. If nothing will change, she will get second shot after 12 weeks.
While my colleague got Pfizer vaccine yesterday. He didn't felt anything and he is feeling perfectly.

[Obito]

What's up with blood clotting and vaccines? The Johnson and Johnson vaccine apparently had some issues with blood clots. I wonder how people are suppose to make an educated choice on the vaccine they get. The vaccine is free in most first world countries, does the country choose what vaccine you get? Do you have a choice as a citizen?

If you are in my country there is probably no choice as to which vaccine you are getting and also our government is incompetent that there is no vaccine rollout happening yet and the only thing that they can do given how incompetent they are is to impose another lockdown that is a total bullshit because even though there is one, the cases are still skyrocketing. I wish that my fellow countrymen will wake up and not become a slave to these false promises by these politicians and we can finally put the right people in the seat.

[GeorgeJohn]

What's up with blood clotting and vaccines? The Johnson and Johnson vaccine apparently had some issues with blood clots. I wonder how people are suppose to make an educated choice on the vaccine they get. The vaccine is free in most first world countries, does the country choose what vaccine you get? Do you have a choice as a citizen?

Which vaccine are emphasising on, corona vaccine or blood clotting vaccine? But what I understand is that before introducing a vaccine to the society you most have adequate test which will determine if the vaccine will be use for treatment because some drugs kills be of the enzymes can't work on it or metabolized to the system, what kill people vaccine is the higher concentration of substance use for manufacturing

[Cnut237]

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Denmark on Wednesday will become the first country to entirely cease administering AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine following its possible link to very rare cases of blood clots, several Danish media outlets reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources.

Denmark will be the first country in the EU to ban the AstraZeneca vaccine due to a) whipped-up anti-British sentiment following Brexit, and b) unscientific and erroneous conclusions based on a failure to understand data and context.

I wonder how that will affect the AZ shares in the stock market. It is up almost 1.5% today!

Irrelevant, surely? AZ aren't out for profit (in this instance). They are and always have been selling the vaccine at cost.

They were supposed to test these stuff before they use it on people. They didn't. They didn't test the Biontech and modeRNA vaccines neither.

They did. Even a cursory search on Google will show you evidence of (and data from) the standard three phase trials.



Also... it appears that the risk of blood clots from having Covid is 8-10 times higher than the risk of blood clots from taking the vaccine (see below).
If you are distributing a vaccine to many millions of people, there will be plenty of deaths from all sorts of different causes. I bet some people have broken an arm or tripped over a paving slab shortly after taking the vaccine - it is irrelevant.

   In this study of over 500,000 COVID-19 patients, CVT occurred in 39 in a million patients.
    In over 480,000 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna), CVT occurred in 4 in a million.
    CVT has been reported to occur in about 5 in a million people after first dose of the AZ-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine.
    Compared to the mRNA vaccines, the risk of a CVT from COVID-19 is about 10 times greater.
    Compared to the AZ-Oxford vaccine, the risk of a CVT from COVID-19 is about 8 times greater.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-04-15-risk-rare-blood-clotting-higher-covid-19-vaccines

[mindrust]

I just read that Denmark is now trying to sell their AZ vaccines to the poor countries. How low people can go? If they are good to use, why don't they use them on themselves?

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/15/european-countries-express-interest-in-purchasing-denmark-s-astrazeneca-vaccines

A number of European countries have expressed interest in purchasing unwanted AstraZeneca vaccines from Denmark.

On Wednesday, Denmark became the first European country to abandon AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine due to a link with extremely rare cases of blood clots.

[tabas]

Did they gave a timeframe for how long to monitor her after the vaccination?

I don't know, didn't asked about it. She just didn't went to work for 2 days. Though, after more than 24 hours since she got vaccine, she was feeling fine already. If nothing will change, she will get second shot after 12 weeks.
While my colleague got Pfizer vaccine yesterday. He didn't felt anything and he is feeling perfectly.

That's good to know that both of the vaccines worked well for them. Unlike the news that were being shown about for some cases, I think it really has something to do with the person's body, strength and immune system and that's why some reaction and side effects were shown after being vaccinated.
Thanks for answering my question. 

[Gyfts]

I just read that Denmark is now trying to sell their AZ vaccines to the poor countries. How low people can go? If they are good to use, why don't they use them on themselves?

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/15/european-countries-express-interest-in-purchasing-denmark-s-astrazeneca-vaccines

A number of European countries have expressed interest in purchasing unwanted AstraZeneca vaccines from Denmark.

On Wednesday, Denmark became the first European country to abandon AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine due to a link with extremely rare cases of blood clots.

Hmm, so I guess this says a lot about these European countries that are willing cheap out on a vaccine. Say that Denmark is being overly cautious by banning the vaccine, and say that there really aren't blood clot issues with the AstraZeneca vaccine. Isn't the idea to convince your citizens that the vaccine is safe? Why would anyone want to get a vaccine that was banned in Denmark for potential blood clot issues?

A country cheaps out now, will just cost more in the long term.

[Vatimins]

     Im betting on a small correction to haooen in this vaccine's price. Just imagine how bug of a news this is. Though I feel bad for the investors if what happens to this stock is more than just a small correction, this vaccine really does deserve what came to it if you go over the flaws it has. Of course as people we only want the best specially when it comes to things being put into our bodies. It is just natural that if a choice is possible, we would choose the ones we believe are better. And that is just what denmark did. This just shows that the government in denmark really gives a damn about its people.

[Gyfts]

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See, I don't doubt that there is perhaps some statistical insignificance of any adverse effects from the vaccine, whether it is extreme sickness or blood clots, whatever. We know the side effects are fairly well observed, things like nausea, fatigue, chills, body aches, ect. Clinicians have been very forthcoming about side effects. But, look at this from a public health perspective. If there is any doubt as to the vaccine's safety, would it cause the average citizen just to take their chance with catching COVID? Probably. Unless you are obese, more likely than not, you will survive COVID without a problem. Less than 10 percent of COVID infections result in a hospital visit, and of those hospital visits, the ones that end up in intensive care units are 80 percent of the time obese. So maybe that's why Denmark banned AstraZeneca's vaccine? Not necessary because of the threat for blood clots was large, but may just to keep public confidence in the vaccine to avoid the anti-vaxers from taking up the discussion and promoting doubt in the COVID vaccines?

[tvbcof]

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See, I don't doubt that there is perhaps some statistical insignificance of any adverse effects from the vaccine, whether it is extreme sickness or blood clots, whatever. We know the side effects are fairly well observed, things like nausea, fatigue, chills, body aches, ect. Clinicians have been very forthcoming about side effects. But, look at this from a public health perspective. If there is any doubt as to the vaccine's safety, would it cause the average citizen just to take their chance with catching COVID? Probably. Unless you are obese, more likely than not, you will survive COVID without a problem. Less than 10 percent of COVID infections result in a hospital visit, and of those hospital visits, the ones that end up in intensive care units are 80 percent of the time obese. So maybe that's why Denmark banned AstraZeneca's vaccine? Not necessary because of the threat for blood clots was large, but may just to keep public confidence in the vaccine to avoid the anti-vaxers from taking up the discussion and promoting doubt in the COVID vaccines?

Yeah, because dosing up millions of people, under duress, with an experimental gene therapy, then removing it from the market with millions more vials on the shelf, really fosters public confidence.

Occam's Razor suggests that they discontinued the DNA experiments because they are bad doo-doo...with much worse on the way.  Observation supports that hypothesis.