Did you take the vaccine? tell us what happend?

[Poker Player]

This point is not effective anymore. this kind of reasoning is the reason why some virus that was eradicated tend to occur in one place.

For example https://www.who.int/csr/don/24-september-2019-polio-outbreak-the-philippines/en/.
polio have been eradicated but some anti-vaxxers don't want their children to be vaccinated with polio vaccine, then this happens.

Look, going back to what you were saying, I think tvbcof has hit the nail on the head. Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission, so your analogy is false. Then, when someone questions the official discourse with rational arguments, the word anti-vaxx and other derogatory terms are immediately used, not to mention the censorship suffered on Youtube and in the mainstream media.

[Cnut237]

Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission

Data to support this assertion? AFAIK preliminary studies do show reduced transmission (I've linked to this previously).

COVID vaccines don't eradicate anything.

You've said you're not an anti-vaxxer... so you would concede that vaccines work in general... except for some reason in this case, where you are making a baseless, data-free claim that the Covid vaccines don't work? Polio, Smallpox, Measles, Mumps, etc all work? Covid, though, doesn't - despite overwhelming evidence of dropping case numbers in highly vaccinated nations?

Or is the claim that the Polio vaccine has eliminated Polio, whereas the Covid vaccine merely diminishes Covid and doesn't eradicate it entirely? Which would be a bad faith argument, akin to the anti-mask anti-lockdown argument of something being pointless unless it is 100% effective, a masks-only-give-you-90%-protection-so-are-therefore-worthless kind of thing.

derogatory terms

I'm not using derogatory terms... I'm just asking for data to support your claims. Otherwise it just looks like backwards reasoning where you start from a pre-determined conclusion.

[tvbcof]

Now this is an interesting set of observations.  Even more-so since certain countries are cracking down on unauthorized us of Ivermectin much more than they are methamphetamine and at a much higher level politically.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/vdVwAdncqKnt/

I myself had what I suspect to have been a parasitic infection which I also suspected to have been following what seemed to match the description of 'covid-19'.  I had not run across this parasite in my research, but it is a better match for my observations than what had been my top suspect.

I will say that the medical system, to the limited extent that I was able to interact with them at all, acted VERY VERY weird about things.

[Call me Fada]

  The vaccines 💉 are not killer agents, let’s stop contradicting ourselves honestly at  OP there’s nothing wrong with the vaccine just like you said you got anxiety and fear that’s what’s affecting many people out there and they tryna out it all on COVID-19 vaccines it’s all wrong. Remove the fear and stand strong 💪🏼 go to any vaccine center in your neighborhood and get it. It doesn’t kill and if you must know yes I have taken it and I felt okay because my mind was made up I think it’s a mind game. Clear your mind remove the fear in there and go get vaccinated it’s for your own good.

[tvbcof]

Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission

Data to support this assertion? AFAIK preliminary studies do show reduced transmission (I've linked to this previously).
...

Let's see here...they figured out that the so-called 'vaccine' is so-called 'effective' to the single percent level way back in 2020 in order to start dosing.  I mean the trials were so well run that Astra-Zeneca _accidentally_ gave half-doses in their super-duper careful lab work and waddaya know; it brought the percent up from 70% to the 90%'s needed for jabbing.  It's a miracle!

Now, half a year later, they cannot figure out if it even stops infection or reduces transmission at all, much less to what level.  I mean, it's not like it would be necessary data for 'herd immunity' calculations or anything like that.  At the very best it does, but they still want vaxxed drones to undergo the psychological warfare treatment of masking and social distancing anyway.

The fact that this infection/transmission property is still a mystery is nearly proof-positive that the gene therapy does no such thing...if there even is a 'virus' to develop immunity to in the first place.  Anyone who still believes the baloney has got to be one of the most brain dead simpletons on the planet.

[Cnut237]

Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission

they cannot figure out if it even stops infection or reduces transmission at all, much less to what level.

When people make an argument, but refuse to back it up with data, then you have to question their sincerity.
I said earlier that preliminary studies did show reduced transmission, and I'd linked to the data in a previous post. Since then, we now have more data from more studies... current understanding is neatly summarised here.

I do get tired of posting links to data, papers, meta-analyses, etc... I do get tired of continually having to post facts ... when really anyone with an interest in a topic should be able to seek these things for themselves. But here we are. Yet again. All quotes below are from the link above, which then links out to each specific study and dataset.

Moderna tested all participants when they received their second dose and reported in December that fewer asymptomatic infections occurred in the vaccinated group than the placebo group after the first dose. Johnson & Johnson also reported data from nearly 3,000 phase three trial participants who were tested two months after vaccination to see if they had antibodies from a new infection since vaccination. That preliminary data suggested a 74 percent reduction in asymptomatic infection.

people vaccinated with one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had viral loads up to 20 times lower than viral loads in unvaccinated, infected people.

Two others, from the Mayo Clinic and the U.K., included more than 85,000 routinely tested healthcare workers who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The vaccine reduced infection by 85 to 89 percent.

More evidence accumulated in March with a slew of studies about the mRNA vaccines. One with 9,109 healthcare workers in Israel found infections cut by 75 percent after two doses of the Pfize-BioNTech vaccine. Another revealed that the viral load fell fourfold in those who received one dose and then developed an infection.

Among more than 39,000 people screened for infection at the Mayo Clinic, patients had a 72 percent lower risk of infection 10 days after the first dose of either mRNA vaccine and 80 percent lower after both doses.

The New England Journal of Medicine published research letters showing reduced infections in fully vaccinated healthcare workers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, the Hadassah Hebrew University Medical Center in Jerusalem, and the University of California in Los Angeles and San Diego.

an early April CDC study of 3,950 healthcare workers who were tested weekly for three months after receiving both doses of either mRNA vaccine. Full vaccination reduced infection—regardless of symptoms—by 90 percent, and a single dose reduced infection by 80 percent.

the evidence shows that full vaccination with either mRNA vaccine cuts risk of infection by at least half after one dose, and by 75 to 90 percent two weeks after the second dose. Though less research is available on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the trial data suggest an infection reduction of more than 70 percent is likely. With the vaccines preventing this much infection, they’re also stopping the majority of vaccinated people from passing along the virus.

... but feel free to counter all of this by either a) not supplying any supporting evidence for your claims, or b) linking to some random nut-job on youtube who is ranting from his basement.

[shoreno]

A lot of saying that it will make you sick or you will just die few numbers of people I know personally, said this and not on the internet.

did they already get vaccinated for them to say this ? i believe they havent yet because they are scared and they just linked this to the past event where vaccines were also involved but they shouldnt judge this one because this could be different .

I don't know if I search it wrong using the wrong sentences but still when I searched for literally "what happened to the people who voluntary took the vaccine in the testing phase" and there is no latest update news for 2021 connected to the direct question that I want to know. That maybe my country blocks this news or something.

you can try using vpn , choose a different country and try searching it again . see if news appears now but for the effects of covid vaccine , i knew a person that are healthy and alive after get vaccinated .

[af_newbie]

I took first shot of Pfizer.  My arm felt sore for two days.  No redness, just sore about 4" around the injection site.

Major side effect was that I did not work out for two days.

No other side effects.

My 80 year old mom took it, and she had the same side effects.

[BADecker]

I took first shot of Pfizer.  My arm felt sore for two days.  No redness, just sore about 4" around the injection site.

Major side effect was that I did not work out for two days.

No other side effects.

My 80 year old mom took it, and she had the same side effects.

The odds of dangerous, immediate adverse effects is relatively small. "At least 135,791,031 people or 41% of the population have received at least one dose" - https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/.

Slightly different numbers are available from different places.


Open VAERS - https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data - says (through April 9th):
2602 DEATHS

5074 HOSPITALIZATIONS

10078 URGENT CARE

10693 OFFICE VISITS

458 ANAPHYLAXIS

481 BELL'S PALSY

Heart Attacks 549

Miscarriages 100

Severe Allergic Reaction 3701

Thrombocytopenia/Low Platelet 338


This is a small number when compared with the number of vaccinated. But, there are several points about this:
1. There were 68,347 reports through April 9th. Those listed above are only a part of the reports. Were the others refuted by the doctor-involved as being vaccine caused?
2. Medical people who know about VAERS, often suggest that only about 10% of the reports that should go to VAERS even get there.
3. Dr. Stanley Plotkin works or has worked as a consultant for vaccine companies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Plotkin - was depositioned... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3x0rQT_eSw. The title of the video of the deposition is, "VAERS, Adverse Reactions from Vaccines, Fewer than 1% of adverse reactions are reported." The video is about a report from Harvard Medical School that shows the 1% data.

The point is that there could be magnitudes of deaths over and above the numbers of those which are being reported by VAERS. We might even have had as many as 300,000 deaths in the US by now, from the Covid vaccines.

You were lucky.

[tvbcof]

Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission

they cannot figure out if it even stops infection or reduces transmission at all, much less to what level.

When people make an argument, but refuse to back it up with data, then you have to question their sincerity.
I said earlier that preliminary studies did show reduced transmission, and I'd linked to the data in a previous post. Since then, we now have more data from more studies... current understanding is neatly summarised here.

I do get tired of posting links to data, papers, meta-analyses, etc... I do get tired of continually having to post facts ... when really anyone with an interest in a topic should be able to seek these things for themselves. But here we are. Yet again. All quotes below are from the link above, which then links out to each specific study and dataset.

  <snip - copy/paste content from known liars with an obvious agenda...much of which doesn't mean anything anyway.>

... but feel free to counter all of this by either a) not supplying any supporting evidence for your claims, or b) linking to some random nut-job on youtube who is ranting from his basement.

This is a joke, right?  National Geographic!  That's basically the poster child for maninstream media sheeple feeding complements of the NWO luciferians.  You can tell by them pumping non-stop NWO psychological operations like 'climate change' and their pedo-tranny filth.

What links they do have in that 'narrative' are to entities known to have and agenda, massive monetary conflicts of interest (academia), and a proven track record of 'lying for their truth'.

It would be like me 'proving' that 'Scientists Amazed by Bat Boy' is for real and copy/pasting select quotes out of National Enquirer as evidence.  Really!  There is no functional difference.

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Why do people who get the jab still need to wear masks and 'social distance'?  It's because the gene therapies don't work (for 'immunization' against 'the virus') and the same CDC quoted above say that when it's handy for them.  You Kool-aid drinkers really have been programmed to double-think just as Orwell said.

[Poker Player]

Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission

Data to support this assertion? AFAIK preliminary studies do show reduced transmission (I've linked to this previously).

Reduced transmission doesn't mean stopped transmission. What I am saying is not that unusual and is the argument that has been seen everywhere since vaccines were developed, saying that this is why we would still have to wear masks and follow up with other preventive measures. I was not aware of all those links you posted, and I am open to the fact that the data may change my mind. In fact, I see that they speak of significantly high reduction percentages.. But how do you explain why Chile has more than half of its population vaccinated and the cases do not stop growing? Because what is happening there seems to contradict what the studies you link say.

You've said you're not an anti-vaxxer... so you would concede that vaccines work in general... except for some reason in this case, where you are making a baseless, data-free claim that the Covid vaccines don't work? Polio, Smallpox, Measles, Mumps, etc all work? Covid, though, doesn't - despite overwhelming evidence of dropping case numbers in highly vaccinated nations?

Or is the claim that the Polio vaccine has eliminated Polio, whereas the Covid vaccine merely diminishes Covid and doesn't eradicate it entirely? Which would be a bad faith argument, akin to the anti-mask anti-lockdown argument of something being pointless unless it is 100% effective, a masks-only-give-you-90%-protection-so-are-therefore-worthless kind of thing.

Yes, vaccines work in general. I was vaccinated when I was little and I didn't get a mutation in my arm or anything like that. It's all a matter of percentages, @Cnut237, if vaccines over time are shown to reduce transmission by 95%, I will concede that they can eradicate the virus or we can talk about a significant reduction. If it were 50% I understand that we could not talk about eradication.

[Cnut237]

how do you explain why Chile has more than half of its population vaccinated and the cases do not stop growing? Because what is happening there seems to contradict what the studies you link say.

Unknown, I haven't looked into it. Geographical proximity to Brazil and hence the Brazilian variant may be a factor. Might also depend on whether the vaccine was stored and transported properly - could be a factor given the extreme geography of the country. Might also depend on any lifting of lockdowns, and people becoming infected in the several week window before the vaccine starts to really take effect in the body. As I say though, these are guesses.

I'm more familiar with the story in my own country, the UK... case numbers have been dropping steadily since the last lockdown was lifted (and schools re-opening in March), contrary to the normal pattern over the last few lockdowns. The difference this time being the high degree of vaccination.

It's all a matter of percentages, @Cnut237, if vaccines over time are shown to reduce transmission by 95%, I will concede that they can eradicate the virus or we can talk about a significant reduction. If it were 50% I understand that we could not talk about eradication.

Sure. We can talk about what the data show. In fact that's all we can really talk about. What we can't do is make baseless claims in the absence of data, as per the quote below - that's what I take issue with.

Covid vaccines don't stop infection or transmission

You just can't say that and expect to be taken seriously, if you can't back it up. This is a statement that the case is closed, it's confirmed, they don't stop infection or transmission... and the statement is unsupported by evidence, and indeed flies in the face of the evidence that is available.

The point is that if you present baseless conclusions like that, it's difficult to differentiate you from certain other posters.

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sheeple [...] NWO luciferians [...] non-stop NWO psychological operations like 'climate change'[...] pedo-tranny filth.

What, what, what and what?

What links they do have in that 'narrative' are to entities known to have and agenda, massive monetary conflicts of interest (academia), and a proven track record of 'lying for their truth'.
It would be like me 'proving' that 'Scientists Amazed by Bat Boy' is for real and copy/pasting select quotes out of National Enquirer as evidence.  Really!  There is no functional difference.

It would be like that if you think that 'National Enquirer Bat Boy' evidence is equivalent to all combined evidence from the CDC, the FDA, the Lancet, Nature, numerous universities, numerous independent scientific studies based in different places around the world, and numerous experts in the field.
Basically you are saying that any evidence from any source is disreputable... which presumably is why you have failed to provide any evidence to back up your own claims.

[GeorgeJohn]

After taking the vaccine, I felt dizzy for three days, got sore throat,red eyes, headache, but now am perfectly doing okay,I encourage everyone to do same, such a good experience tho.

Seriously or is a formulated story to make people to isolate the vaccine? for you to develop such a symptoms of malaria after taking the vaccine that means the vaccine was not manufactured at appropriate place, so therefore we have to take some precaution measures for things or vaccines we take in order cure corona virus, but in my country the vaccines I took at health center was OK and their was no reaction, shall it depends on the vaccine.

[Cnut237]

how do you explain why Chile has more than half of its population vaccinated and the cases do not stop growing? Because what is happening there seems to contradict what the studies you link say.

Unknown, I haven't looked into it. Geographical proximity to Brazil and hence the Brazilian variant may be a factor. Might also depend on whether the vaccine was stored and transported properly - could be a factor given the extreme geography of the country. Might also depend on any lifting of lockdowns, and people becoming infected in the several week window before the vaccine starts to really take effect in the body. As I say though, these are guesses.

Okay, I've now done a little research. The British Medical Journal have some data on it. Apparently the main vaccine used in Chile is Sinovac's CoronaVac... which appears less effective than the British AZ vaccine on a single dose basis (and the Chileans who have been vaccinated have overwhelmingly only had a single dose). Looks disturbingly like rich nations get the best vaccines, poorer nations are forced to choose from whatever is left, as you might anticipate:

A study published by researchers at the University of Chile on 6 April, in which Cortés was not involved, found that the CoronaVac vaccine was 56.5% effective in preventing infections two weeks after a second dose but only 3% effective after a single dose

Also it is considered likely (anecdotal unless someone has seen the figures?) that the Brazil variant is a contributor:

Infections in Chile are also likely being driven by the more transmissible P.1 variant first identified in Brazil, which is believed to be playing a role in a current surge in cases across South America.

Also there is an opinion that:

"The country may have been too optimistic after their vaccine rollout and opened up too quickly, especially to internal travel during the summer holiday season," said Michael Touchton, from the University of Miami’s Observatory for the Containment of Covid-19 in the Americas. Chile reopened its borders in November 2020 when infections had dropped from its June peak to around 1400 cases a day. It also permitted domestic travel during the country’s December to February holiday season this year, when restaurants, shops, and holiday resorts reopened.
Careless behaviour during the vacations likely facilitated the virus’s spread, experts said.
"At the beginning of the vaccine campaign there was a message from government that ‘vaccines are on their way so the pandemic will end soon.’ Everyone stopped taking care, stopped wearing masks, and joined big crowds during the holiday season," said Claudia Cortés, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of Chile.

Quotes from the link above. Reasons appear to be as you'd expect - although I wasn't aware that the Sinovac vaccine had such low efficacy after single dose. As a second point of reference, CNN has an article with similar conclusions.

[Poker Player]

The point is that if you present baseless conclusions like that, it's difficult to differentiate you from certain other posters.

It will be difficult to differentiate myself from other posters in terms of claims perhaps. But I think I clearly differ from them in that if I am presented with evidence that contradicts my previous beliefs, backed up in a bunch of high quality links, I am able to recognize my mistake and change my mind instead of making up that there is a conspiracy of mainstream scientists with some aliens to falsify the data, and the like.

-snip

Thanks for the research, I owe you a merit.

Incidentally, the BMJ at the time questioned whether vaccines were effective in preventing transmission (it said that trials had not demonstrated this):

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

This was an article I cited at the time.

But I have seen that later the BMJ has published articles that do talk about transmission reduction such as this one:

Covid-19: Infections fell by 65% after first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine, data show.

So, yes, I am increasingly convinced that you are right.

[BADecker]

Did you take the vaccine? tell us what happend?


But you can't tell it when the effects really set in. Why? Because many of those effects are death, and only if you have informed a friend to post as to what happened to you, then maybe we will get to your truth.

Go to the site listed, or simply go to this link - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/687/video/mike%20adams%20video%20vax%20people%20ticking%20time%20bombs.MP4 - to find out what will be happening to many if not most vaccinated people... and others who are close enough so they are shed on by the vaccinate zombies.


"The vaccinated are ticking time bombs. They're walking bio weapons." - The Health Ranger

[tvbcof]

sheeple [...] NWO luciferians [...] non-stop NWO psychological operations like 'climate change'[...] pedo-tranny filth.

What, what, what and what?

Is it the 'global climate change' stuff that you never noticed in your primary source of all things scientific (National Geographic...LOL), or is it the pedo-tranny filth?

[Poker Player]

sheeple [...] NWO luciferians [...] non-stop NWO psychological operations like 'climate change'[...] pedo-tranny filth.

What, what, what and what?

Is it the 'global climate change' stuff that you never noticed in your primary source of all things scientific (National Geographic...LOL), or is it the pedo-tranny filth?

Your argument is well know as an Ad hominem fallacy.

Are these pedos as well?

Covid-19: Infections fell by 65% after first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine, data show

Covid-19 vaccines: delivering protective immunity

Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines may block infection as well as disease

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-vaccine-moderna-pfizer-transmission-disease

The growing evidence that the Covid-19 vaccines can reduce transmission, explained

Pfizer Vaccine Highly Effective at Preventing COVID-19 Transmission, Study Shows

CDC: Pfizer And Moderna Vaccines Could Significantly Cut Down On Coronavirus Transmission

[tvbcof]

sheeple [...] NWO luciferians [...] non-stop NWO psychological operations like 'climate change'[...] pedo-tranny filth.

What, what, what and what?

Is it the 'global climate change' stuff that you never noticed in your primary source of all things scientific (National Geographic...LOL), or is it the pedo-tranny filth?

Your argument is well know as an Ad hominem fallacy.

Are these pedos as well?

Covid-19: Infections fell by 65% after first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine, data show

Covid-19 vaccines: delivering protective immunity

Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines may block infection as well as disease

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-vaccine-moderna-pfizer-transmission-disease

The growing evidence that the Covid-19 vaccines can reduce transmission, explained

Pfizer Vaccine Highly Effective at Preventing COVID-19 Transmission, Study Shows

CDC: Pfizer And Moderna Vaccines Could Significantly Cut Down On Coronavirus Transmission

Pedo-trannys in:  Vox?  For sure in LOTS of cases.  miningco about.com primedia, dotdash?  Likely.  Bloomberg, Forbes, sciencenews?  Likely often.  BMJ? Lots of the people who are given editorial powers unless they have some other exploitable deficiencies.

But I was talking Luciferians and their general dispositions and ideas of appropriateness; not necessarily flat-out pedo-tranny enthusiast individuals.

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Your analysis is simplistic and wrong vis-a-vis 'Ad hominem fallacy'.  My point is that National Geographic is demonstratably pressured by a certain group and class of people to shape the perceptions of another class of people in a particular way.  This makes them highly non-credible because the same people who own/fund them are the one's responsible for the plandemic scam, and you can tell by the nature of their content (phony eco garbage, pedo-tranny conditioning, etc.)  This is a perfectly legitimate observation to factor in to the credibility of their so-called reporting.

[Mauser]

The last one of my family to get the vaccine was my uncle last week. Now everybody above 50 years is vaccinated in my family. Until I am getting an appointment for the vaccine it is going to take atleast 6-8 weeks. In my family nobody except my uncle had any real side effects. My uncle got the AstraZeneca vaccine and he was in bed for 1.5 days afterwards with some fever and cold symptoms. But now he is completely fine again, short but strong reaction.