Did you take the vaccine? tell us what happend?

[Poker Player]

That is because of the placebo effect. More psychological than anything else. Unless you have been given some "magic" substance instead of the vaccine, which is highly unlikely.

What are you talking about? These are quite normal symptoms after the first dose of Pfizer/Moderna.

The placebo effect is well known in medicine, and in some cases it is not only psychological effects, but physical markers that improve, although this has nothing to do with the drug administered. In any case, I don't know if you mean that feeling great before you get the vaccine is due to some physical causal relationship between the vaccine and mood:

No, it's not placebo effect. I was feeling great before taking vaccine and I felt great after I took it. Nothing has changed,

I have googled the subject and see reported cases of people feeling fine and speculation that it has something to do with the vaccine. Good. In principle the most logical explanation would seem to me to be placebo effect, but if it is due to the vaccine, I welcome it.

[Natsuu]

That is because of the placebo effect. More psychological than anything else. Unless you have been given some "magic" substance instead of the vaccine, which is highly unlikely.

What are you talking about? These are quite normal symptoms after the first dose of Pfizer/Moderna.

The placebo effect is well known in medicine, and in some cases it is not only psychological effects, but physical markers that improve, although this has nothing to do with the drug administered. In any case, I don't know if you mean that feeling great before you get the vaccine is due to some physical causal relationship between the vaccine and mood:

No, it's not placebo effect. I was feeling great before taking vaccine and I felt great after I took it. Nothing has changed,

I have googled the subject and see reported cases of people feeling fine and speculation that it has something to do with the vaccine. Good. In principle the most logical explanation would seem to me to be placebo effect, but if it is due to the vaccine, I welcome it.

Let's be clear, "The placebo effect is defined as a phenomenon in which some people experience a benefit after the administration of an inactive "look-alike" substance or treatment. This substance, or placebo, has no known medical effect." - https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-placebo-effect-2795466.

Meaning that placebo effect only occurs if the injected medicine/drug/vaccine is inactive and deemed to not have any kinds of medical effects to the body. but he got THE VACCINE "THE REAL VACCINE" therefore, it is not placebo, instead it is the "SIDE EFFECT" of the vaccine, which is known to be temporary.

[Poker Player]

...I don't know if you mean that feeling great  before you get the vaccine is due to some physical causal relationship between the vaccine and mood:

No, it's not placebo effect. I was feeling great before taking vaccine and I felt great after I took it. Nothing has changed,

Let's be clear, "The placebo effect is defined as a phenomenon in which some people experience a benefit after the administration of an inactive "look-alike" substance or treatment. This substance, or placebo, has no known medical effect." - https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-placebo-effect-2795466.

Meaning that placebo effect only occurs if the injected medicine/drug/vaccine is inactive and deemed to not have any kinds of medical effects to the body. but he got THE VACCINE "THE REAL VACCINE" therefore, it is not placebo, instead it is the "SIDE EFFECT" of the vaccine, which is known to be temporary.

Really? Have you read what I've written before? I have quoted part of it, leaving the relevant part. Do you really think that someone having a certain mood before being given a drug is because of a side effect of the drug? Lol.

If you were referring to the other people who report a certain mood after vaccine administration, I could understand what you are saying, but not in this case.

[Vatimins]

     Stop being such a damn pussy and take the god damned vaccine shots. You do not even know how to appreciate the privilege of having such luxury of being able to get vaccinated for free. In some places in the world people would be willing to pay hyge amounts of money just to he vaccinated, some would even kill. Do not waste such opportunity. Go get vaccinated. If not for you, then at keast for the people around you which are you friends and your family. Sorry for the harsh words but some things really need to be said to make a point. Having anxieties are never easy but it doesn't mean you can compromise the safety of the people around you just because of some rumors and letting yourself a lack vital information.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Meaning that placebo effect only occurs if the injected medicine/drug/vaccine is inactive and deemed to not have any kinds of medical effects to the body. but he got THE VACCINE "THE REAL VACCINE" therefore, it is not placebo, instead it is the "SIDE EFFECT" of the vaccine, which is known to be temporary.

For accuracy's sake, the placebo effective is not limited to inert compounds. Analgesics (pain killers) are more effective if the patient knows they are getting them. If you tell them the analgesic is very strong and will definitely work, their subjective pain perception reduces more than if you tell them the analgesic is weak or don't tell them they are getting it at all.

The same is seen across other classes of drug. It is part of the reason why clinical trials are doubled blinded, even if they are not comparing against placebo. If the doctor/nurse/pharmacist/etc. who is administering the drug to the trial participant allows their own bias regarding the effectiveness/strength/utility/etc. of said drug to influence what they say to the participant, then it will skew the results. If we tell all the participants in the control arm getting "standard treatment x" that this is the 50 year old treatment which is not very good, and we tell all the participants in the treatment arm getting "novel treatment y" that this is the brand new cutting edge treatment which is excellent, then the outcome of the study will be meaningless.

[suchmoon]

That is because of the placebo effect. More psychological than anything else. Unless you have been given some "magic" substance instead of the vaccine, which is highly unlikely.

What are you talking about? These are quite normal symptoms after the first dose of Pfizer/Moderna.

The placebo effect is well known in medicine, and in some cases it is not only psychological effects, but physical markers that improve, although this has nothing to do with the drug administered.

I know what placebo effect is. I just didn't get where you see it in LTU's post. He got some pain in the arm, which is normal and otherwise was feeling well, i.e. not better or worse than before. I think you're reading way too much between the lines.

[Poker Player]

I know what placebo effect is. I just didn't get where you see it in LTU's post. He got some pain in the arm, which is normal and otherwise was feeling well, i.e. not better or worse than before. I think you're reading way too much between the lines.

No, I don't think I'm reading way too much between the lines, and after reflecting on what you say, I would say that you understood that I wanted to criticize the effect of the vaccine in general, the immunizing effect it has against COVID-19 because of the possible placebo effect on mood, and that is not the case.

LTU said:

So, I got Pfizer vaccine today...
I got it today morning and now after more than 12 hours I feel great. There is just little pain in shoulder when I'm moving my hand. All my colleagues who also got vaccine today also feel good.

This could clearly be due to the placebo effect, and I am not saying that the whole vaccine is a placebo effect. This effect could be placebo and the vaccine could be very effective in immunizing against COVID-19.

Then, after my post, LTU nuances:

No, it's not placebo effect. I was feeling great before taking vaccine and I felt great after I took it. Nothing has changed, except that little pain in shoulder.

So after, he says this you say:

What are you talking about? These are quite normal symptoms after the first dose of Pfizer/Moderna.

When you said this, I googled the subject and I see that, indeed, many people report feeling well after receiving the vaccine, but it is still not clear if this is due to a placebo effect or not. But the important thing here is that LTU had already said he felt great before he was given the vaccine.
So in any case, his mood had nothing to do with the vaccine as it may have seemed in his first post (quoted above).

Anyway, as I said, I was not trying to say that the vaccine in general, with all its possible effects, such as the immunizer against COVID-19, works because of a placebo effect.

[suchmoon]

I know what placebo effect is. I just didn't get where you see it in LTU's post. He got some pain in the arm, which is normal and otherwise was feeling well, i.e. not better or worse than before. I think you're reading way too much between the lines.

No, I don't think I'm reading way too much between the lines, and after reflecting on what you say, I would say that you understood that I wanted to criticize the effect of the vaccine in general

No, that's not it.

Sore arm + no other symptoms is quite usual after the first dose, and I don't read "feeling great" as a symptom because it seemed to be said as opposed to "feeling sick". I could have said the exact same thing after getting the first dose so that's why your "placebo" comment stood out to me. I still think you're trying to read something that wasn't really said (that feeling great is somehow unusual and/or an improvement) but whatever.

I hope you didn't see my post about scientifically observed totally real vaccine side effects because it might blow your mind.

[tvbcof]

Here's a guy who 'took' several so-called vaccines.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/g36A7l7n1SbT/

[Assuming the guy is 'for real' which is not a given since it seems a little gaslightish] This is a classic example of cutting edge science here in the midst of the totalitarian technocratic state.  If their results are credible and shed light on the technological questions surrounding the plandemic, I will be making a contribution since information is valuable to me in my life.

[Gon1991]

i lot of people has vaccine,some people say after vaccine fell sick some people say fell pain after vaccine..
i do second vaccine yesterday,a few hour after vaccine i don't fell anything but after tomorrow my body fell pain. i tray to call someone responsibility for my vaccine and he say it's normal like this ..he say to me  that's one of reaktion of vaccine ,it's no dangeraus for us.
but some people in my village afraid to do vaccine, they say is to dangerous for people more 60years old or have history sicknes(hepatitis,heart) so they choice don't like to take a vaccine with the reason is dangerous for they life. 

[LTU_btc]

So, yesterday I got second shot of Pfizer vaccine. And my felings were exactly same as after same first shot. Only thing that I felt is little pain in my shoulder. Though, some friends said that their temperature went up and they had headache after second Pfizer shot, so I expected something similar for me. But still, today I decided to take day-off and don't go to work.
Now I read that third shot may be needed in future to keep immunity - this is something what I don't like. I don't really want to take vaccine every few months.

[BADecker]

It's so annoying that some of the vaccine dead don't get in here and report about their experiences.

[franky1]

its been a few days now since my second vaccine. so lets update

first vaccine: slight arm pain like leaning on arm for too long. nothing to cry about
second vaccine: just a bit of fatigue.


..other family members
first vaccine. some no issues some had arm ache
second vaccine was no arm ache. just a lil fatique at most.


all in all.. id rather have arm flu(vaccine) then lung flu(covid)

[Natsuu]

It's so annoying that some of the vaccine dead don't get in here and report about their experiences.

Isn't it. Awww I wish they can put their experience in here as they are able to vote in the poll in the other thread being "dead after vaccinated"
Anyways, none of my relatives died yet from the vaccine so its all good, though they have sores days after being injected and that's it

[BADecker]

It's so annoying that some of the vaccine dead don't get in here and report about their experiences.

Isn't it. Awww I wish they can put their experience in here as they are able to vote in the poll in the other thread being "dead after vaccinated"
Anyways, none of my relatives died yet from the vaccine so its all good, though they have sores days after being injected and that's it

Right! It's not fair. Since the dead can vote in the Presidential elections, why not here?

They only way you could be certain that a dead relative didn't die from a vaccination, was if he/she never got one.

[Natsuu]

Right! It's not fair. Since the dead can vote in the Presidential elections, why not here?

Yeah at presidential election{s}. ever since there had been dead man walking in the voting lines to vote.

They only way you could be certain that a dead relative didn't die from a vaccination, was if he/she never got one.

Huh? a dead relative? that didn't die? HUHHH?

[tvbcof]

...
They only way you could be certain that a dead relative didn't die from a vaccination, was if he/she never got one.

Not necessarily true.  There is increasing evidence that 'they' are using the technique of 'self-spreading vaccines' for the so-called 'covid-19' which have been studied and talked about for a while now.  Just being in contact with a 'vaccinated' (infected) person could result in gene modification of whatever Bill Gates happened to want.  And he's a pretty creepy guy.

It's pretty obvious how DNA gene therapies where a modified natural virus (adenovirus, measles, etc) is used to shuttle or 'vector' designer DNA into a human's cell nucleus.  These viruses are assumed to be replication incompetent (and claimed to be sometimes) but a little 'slip up' which allowed the virus to replicate and spread through a population would be easy to arrange.  As a matter of fact, it could probably happen by a genuine accident, oversight, or just by chance.  Indeed, it might not be possible to NOT have the virus revert to a replication competent state eventually.  This is why most polio now is 'vaccine strain'.

[cmg777]

So, yesterday I got second shot of Pfizer vaccine. And my felings were exactly same as after same first shot. Only thing that I felt is little pain in my shoulder. Though, some friends said that their temperature went up and they had headache after second Pfizer shot, so I expected something similar for me. But still, today I decided to take day-off and don't go to work.
Now I read that third shot may be needed in future to keep immunity - this is something what I don't like. I don't really want to take vaccine every few months.

I'm glad you have a head on your shoulders . Your initial feelings should have been why is the media hyping this up? Like when they hype up BTC when it is $64K and they know the bubble will burst back down to $30K. The reason why is they are paid to do this. The media is paid by big pharma to sell their vaccines so they can get rich. Also social media influencer are paid to promote the vaccine.


Vaccine Biillionaires minted:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html

Big Celebs paid for ad campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3TrQD5v9vw

Social Media influencers paid:
https://odysee.com/@FwapUK:1/HOW-THEY-RECRUIT-'VACCINE-INFLUENCERS'-HAVE-YOU-SOLD-YOUR-SOUL-YET_:7


I'm also happy that you haven't had any severe side affects like some that have taken it. They'll make you get booster shot after booster shot vaccine after vaccine to treat a disease that your immune system can handle albeit it can make you very ill if you have a weakened immune system or are old. Bottom line the madness never ends until everyone says enough is enough.

Potential Side Effects:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DCSnIcvnQBfJ/

Side effect caught on video:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UhtI4N3cHSh7/

More Side effects caught on video:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mL3pwUeQfbnf/

Ben Stein Side effect run down:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/h2QqJP3JLnXF/

[Cnut237]

There is increasing evidence that 'they' are using the technique of 'self-spreading vaccines' for the so-called 'covid-19'

Where?

It's pretty obvious how DNA gene therapies

Obvious from what? Data?

This is why most polio now is 'vaccine strain'.

This is because naturally-occurring polio has been almost entirely eradicated... due to vaccination.
cVDPV is extremely rare, and occurs mainly because of... low immunisation in the affected community:
https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-prevention/the-virus/vaccine-derived-polio-viruses/

[BADecker]

There is increasing evidence that 'they' are using the technique of 'self-spreading vaccines' for the so-called 'covid-19'

Where?

It's pretty obvious how DNA gene therapies

Obvious from what? Data?

This is why most polio now is 'vaccine strain'.

This is because naturally-occurring polio has been almost entirely eradicated... due to vaccination.
cVDPV is extremely rare, and occurs mainly because of... low immunisation in the affected community:
https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-prevention/the-virus/vaccine-derived-polio-viruses/

Well, at least you are smart enough to link to a site now and again. Try this one - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=self-spreading+vaccines&ia=web - and this one - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=polio+vaccine+damage+in+india&ia=web.