Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright)

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’m sure you’ve all read about Craig Wright (Faketoshi) attempting to prove ownership of bitcoin.org & claims he wrote the bitcoin whitepaper & is Satoshi.

This week London’s High Court have permitted Wright to chase down Cøbra over ‘copyright infringement’.

You can read the full story here -

www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/23/australian-man-craig-wrights-claim-he-invented-bitcoin-to-be-considered-by-uk-court

Any way, my reason for starting this thread is just to see if anybody wanted to donate to Cøbra’s publicly displayed bitcoin address ahead of court litigation. You can see his bitcoin address on his official Twitter -


@CobraBitcoin
My BTC address is 1Cobra3fJstD9g3DJ2oaUpDps5gJsZa4eS and my PGP key fingerprint is 61559B1EEFB3F8DA6C40BAAC6F85594478CE4C7A.

https://twitter.com/cobrabitcoin/status/948598658848710656?s=21

(Please follow the link to verify his receiving address for yourself).


I just wanted to give people the chance to donate to Cøbra. We’re all here for a true love of bitcoin. Good honest trustworthy people who have dedicated their lives to bitcoin deserve our support.

(Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum - Wasn’t sure where to post - Feel free to move if necessary)

[AB de Royse777]

(Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum - Wasn’t sure where to post - Feel free to move if necessary)

Maybe service section or bitcoin discussion section but honestly speaking I am not too sure too. The reason for those two alternative board is because surely this is not a forum related issue.

London’s high court this week allowed Craig Wright’s lawyers to pursue the operator and publisher of the bitcoin.org website, called Cobra, over what they say is copyright infringement, according to documents filed in court seen by Reuters.

I have no idea how the court gave the permission to chase down Cobra. Is this a new kind of joke. Hasn't Faketoshi been already marked as fake by US court?

Maybe we the community needs to file a case against Write, take a legal action for harassing the bitcoin community this way. If he can not provide a signed message from the first block publicly then take his clothes off and ask to seek apology to all of us in public.

[PrimeNumber7]

Is he actually asking for help? My understanding is that cobra has been involved in bitcoin for a long time, and I would presume that to mean he has a lot of financial resources.

I don't think that address he posted on twitter is intended for donations, but rather to allow someone to verify his identity cryptographically. I wouldn't send any donations unless he is asking for help.

[Cøbra]

Someone sent me this thread. Just wanted to say thanks for making it.

Lawyers like his who are willing to go along (and seem to enjoy) with filing completely made up cases are some of the biggest scumbags IMO. There is nothing real to litigate, because everything is made up. There isn't even a hint of truth behind any of it. They're just attempting to use the legal system as a tool to dox people, and financially ruin them. I don't know what's going to happen with my case, but no doubt he will appeal and file more cases against me for more made up nonsense. How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? And you have to spend money and years of your life fighting against it?

These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story.

Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail.

[minkpump]

He is a pure opportunist, in fact at some point on this planet of opportunists someone would try to gain the authority of bitcoin, what puzzles me is really the justice to let this happen, how do the courts let someone play with a property worth trillions?

[Timelord2067]

I'm a little lost here...

You might want to correct the title of your thread - there's user

Cobra - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49473

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Name: 	Cobra
Posts: 	289 in 118 topics
Activity: 	289
Earned Merit:	0
Position: 	Sr. Member
BPIP Rank:	>1000
Status:	INACTIVE
Date Registered: 	2012-01-11, 01:51:11
Last Active: 	2017-04-13, 00:55:01

and then there is the user

Cøbra - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249495

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Name: 	Cøbra
Custom Title: 	Bitcoin.org domain administrator
Posts: 	122 in 87 topics
Activity: 	122
Earned Merit:	371
Position: 	Full Member
BPIP Rank:	#1058
DT level:	DT2
Date Registered: 	2014-02-14, 07:43:50
Last Active: 	Today at 09:58:42

Website: 	Bitcoin.org
Current Status: 	Offline Offline
Admin notes: 	This is one of the administrators of bitcoin.org

Two very different users.

[suchmoon]

I'm a little lost here...

Even if you really couldn't figure out whom LFC_Bitcoin is talking about, reading the thread or at least a couple of posts above yours would get you unlost in a jiffy.

[PrimeNumber7]

How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you?

These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story.

Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail.

What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. I also read some of the testimony he gave a few years back, and it sounds like he is very good at playing with words in a way that will confuse people.

I am not familiar with UK copyright law, but I am surprised the court would even recognize as having jurisdiction over the matter if bitcoin.org does not have a registered agent in the UK.

My suspicion is that the purpose of all these lawsuits is not necessarily to obtain money from the people he is suing, but rather to get a judge to rule that he is in fact satoshi (see my above comment about CWS being good at confusing people by playing with words).

[hacker1001101001]

There is nothing real to litigate, because everything is made up.

That's the solid core truth, whatever the fuck he says you should not drop down your anonymity for such an fly like Craig Wright from the pile of shit BSV.

Bitcoin was always about protecting privacy !

[ChiBitCTy]

How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you?

These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story.

Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail.

What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. I also read some of the testimony he gave a few years back, and it sounds like he is very good at playing with words in a way that will confuse people.

I am not familiar with UK copyright law, but I am surprised the court would even recognize as having jurisdiction over the matter if bitcoin.org does not have a registered agent in the UK.

My suspicion is that the purpose of all these lawsuits is not necessarily to obtain money from the people he is suing, but rather to get a judge to rule that he is in fact satoshi (see my above comment about CWS being good at confusing people by playing with words).

If you read my recent post in dev & tech discussion you'll see how he completely exposed himself  to me on twitter back in 2019.  He knows he's never going to get any sort of ruling or anything what so ever that says he's satoshi or awards him coins or whatever..but what he is doing is keeping up the charade.  There's A LOT of idiots out there who still buy his bs.  He of course needs to keep them believing that he really is Satoshi, and if he stops fighting /making up lies etc..he will lose a lot of support.  Of course if he was ever fully exposed, he'd lose everything.  He's a true piece of gutter filth.  

Best of luck Cobra..the one good thing you've maybe got going is this would likely be a somewhat high profile case so I wouldn't be surprised if a lawyer would do it for a very reasonable costs being that they'll be getting some great exposure. At least I hope.

[PrimeNumber7]

There is nothing real to litigate, because everything is made up.

That's the solid core truth, whatever the fuck he says you should not drop down your anonymity for such an fly like Craig Wright from the pile of shit BSV.

In order to defend his position in court, Cøbra would need to disclose his identity, at least this is normally the case. Cøbra says that he may be able to "appear" in court without disclosing his IRL identity.

How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you?

These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story.

Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail.

What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. I also read some of the testimony he gave a few years back, and it sounds like he is very good at playing with words in a way that will confuse people.

I am not familiar with UK copyright law, but I am surprised the court would even recognize as having jurisdiction over the matter if bitcoin.org does not have a registered agent in the UK.

My suspicion is that the purpose of all these lawsuits is not necessarily to obtain money from the people he is suing, but rather to get a judge to rule that he is in fact satoshi (see my above comment about CWS being good at confusing people by playing with words).

If you read my recent post in dev & tech discussion you'll see how he completely exposed himself  to me on twitter back in 2019.  He knows he's never going to get any sort of ruling or anything what so ever that says he's satoshi or awards him coins or whatever..but what he is doing is keeping up the charade.  There's A LOT of idiots out there who still buy his bs.  He of course needs to keep them believing that he really is Satoshi, and if he stops fighting /making up lies etc..he will lose a lot of support.  Of course if he was ever fully exposed, he'd lose everything.  He's a true piece of gutter filth. 

There are plenty of reasons to believe that CSW is not satoshi. My understanding is that CSW has plenty of money, is well-credentialed, and probably would be able to support a fairly lavish lifestyle with his current assets. Obviously, any ruling by a court saying that CSW is satoshi doesn't make that statement true, although it would make it important to make it clear that you are stating an opinion when saying that CSW is not satoshi. A ruling that CSW is satoshi would not even mean there is actually evidence to support this statement, it would most probably mean that a judge was confused or was not paying close attention to the evidence and testimony.

[pooya87]

What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi.

You already answered your own question. Identity theft and lying under oath are two of his many crimes.

What I don't get about this particular lawsuit is how can someone even start a lawsuit concerning copyright claims for something that was clearly published under MIT license? (Bitcoin paper was released with bitcoin client both under MIT license)

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[NotATether]

This is the law firm that's running CSW's case https://uk.ontier.net/ Looks like a generic law firm without an Australian branch so the only way these guys would actually serve a litigation like this is if he has friends in there.

Just like all the guys writing for his CoinGeek operation.

What I don't get about this particular lawsuit is how can someone even start a lawsuit concerning copyright claims for something that was clearly published under MIT license? (Bitcoin paper was released with bitcoin client both under MIT license)

It seems like his law firm bought the bait: https://www.ontier.net/ia/wright-v-cobra-ontier-press-release.pdf

The bitcoin.org website, which promotes the digital asset referred to as ‘Bitcoin Core’, is hosting and publishing a copy of Dr Wright’s academic White Paper “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System”, without Dr Wright’s consent. Dr Wright owns the copyright to the White Paper, which he authored and first released in October 2008 under the now-famous moniker ‘Satoshi Nakamoto’.
ONTIER, on Dr Wright’s behalf, had previously written to ‘Cøbra’, informing them that they were infringing Dr Wright’s copyright and requesting that they remove the White Paper from the website. ‘Cøbra’, whose real name remains unknown, has refused to comply with this request.

Copyright means nothing for an asset that is legally licensed under the MIT license, so all Cobra's lawyers theoretically have to do to throw out the case is to point out that by placing the MIT license on it, he has forfeited "his" (blech!) rights to restrict the use of the whitepaper.

Then we wait out CSW's endless court cases until he runs out of BSV to finance them.

[LoyceV]

(Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum - Wasn’t sure where to post - Feel free to move if necessary)

Maybe service section or bitcoin discussion section but honestly speaking I am not too sure too. The reason for those two alternative board is because surely this is not a forum related issue.

I'd say this relates to the foundation of Bitcointalk! There's also https://bitcointalk.org/bitcoin.pdf.

I guess he's going after Bitcoin.org because it doesn't have deep pockets like Bitcointalk, and because the owner is more or less anonymous? That's low Crack, even for you!

Further reading: gmaxwell's topic So, you want to get sued by a scammer?

Obviously, any ruling by a court saying that CSW is satoshi doesn't make that statement true, although it would make it important to make it clear that you are stating an opinion when saying that CSW is not satoshi.

I trust signed messages:

Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses.

Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009:

"Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message.

The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity.

Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others.

We are all Satoshi"

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"Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message.

The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity.

Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others.

We are all Satoshi"



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[LFC_Bitcoin]

Someone sent me this thread. Just wanted to say thanks for making it.

My pleasure.

I’ve just donated - 64053a8b209089dc7a87ba8766ea645f77866dab40f352383a360a85c55374c7

It’s not much but let’s get this rolling guys.

[nullius]

These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that.

Cøbra, of course there are many people offering their opinions on this particular point.  Some are urging you to reveal yourself; others, to the contrary.

More as a message to them—to all of them, I will tell you what you already damn well know:  Because you are anonymous, only you have the requisite information for making decisions about how to handle this.

It is obvious that if you dox yourself, then even after you win the case, you will still suffer significant detriments from disclosure of your identity:  Irreparable loss of the privacy which is of inestimable value in itself, risk of exposure to harassment or worse from random nutjobs (as Jameson Lopp suffered a few years ago), the likelihood of further pseudolegal attacks from a party who has publicly declared that, in substantial essence, he will maliciously abuse legal process to “destroy” people who don’t dance to his tune—these are only a few of the detriments that immediately come to mind.  Only you know yourself and your life.  Only you know how well you can handle this, in the long term.

On the flipside, perhaps you may have a strategic advantage.  CSW and his lawyers have no significant information about the party whom they have sued.  Legalities aside, as a practical matter, there are personal characteristics and qualities which can make a difference, sometimes a decisive difference, in the course of litigation.  That is not the theory of how the law is supposed to work; but that is how it does work, for better or for worse.

An intelligent lawyer (which CSW lacks) usually tries to keep such factors in mind before suing—perhaps sometimes only to avoid being shocked by an unexpectedly formidable adversary.  In the same vein, an unethical lawyer representing a malicious plaintiff may want to know whether or not he is picking on someone whom he can bully and manipulate in court.  I know that hypothetically, if I were to out myself, many people would be surprised...  Maybe you, too.  Either way.  At this point, only you have the knowledge that is necessary to evaluate that.  In a word, only you know your own profile.

Overall, it is grossly unjust for you to be placed in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” position whereby to defend yourself legally from a malicious abuse of process, you may need to incur on yourself the aforesaid detriments which, thereafter, the court cannot cure.  I hope that a way can be found to avoid that dilemma, which CSW is deliberately, manipulatively exploiting.

On a personal note, in my own experience, the road to Hell is paved with the broken corpses of martyrs; and by standing up for my own principles and ideals with blind intransigence, I have sometimes so damaged my same principles and ideals as to constitute a betrayal motivated by loyalty.  It is a trap for activist personalities.  Only you can know yourself well enough to avoid such things.


P.S., on another note, I may owe you a public apology for a few of the harsh statements that I have made to you before.  No matter how you may reasonably choose to handle the above issue, the way that you are standing up for the truth and for Bitcoin speaks as to your character.

[AB de Royse777]

I'd say this relates to the foundation of Bitcointalk! There's also https://bitcointalk.org/bitcoin.pdf.

I was not aware about that link. However, it seems the mod moved this to Bitcoin Discussion board.

I guess he's going after Bitcoin.org because it doesn't have deep pockets like Bitcointalk, and because the owner is more or less anonymous? That's low Crack, even for you!

It's hard to tell the reason, maybe Wright can better explain it in any interview if he is asked. After all he likes to seek attention.

They're just attempting to use the legal system as a tool to dox people, and financially ruin them. I don't know what's going to happen with my case, but no doubt he will appeal and file more cases against me for more made up nonsense.

Talk for a few months, some interview from Wright and then everything will cool down again until he comes up with another made up case against someone else in bitcoin community.

How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? And you have to spend money and years of your life fighting against it?

You may sue him back, ask for compensation for an attempt to damage your image with his made up crap.

He is fake, there are no public prove that he owns the copyright, he had not proved himself satoshi yet, and I doubt he will ever. First let him prove (which he can not) that he is satoshi then ask the court for the next step.

[nullius]

How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? And you have to spend money and years of your life fighting against it?

You may sue him back, ask for compensation for an attempt to damage your image with his made up crap.

Courts lack an adequate remedy for loss of anonymity, which would be irreparable.

He is fake, there are no public prove that he owns the copyright,

I don’t even see how that question can be reached.  It is reasonably indisputable that Satoshi irrevocably licenced the whitepaper for distribution by others.

he had not proved himself satoshi yet, and I doubt he will ever.

I have not proved myself Napoleon yet.  The nice men in white coats doubt I will ever, but that’s because they are crazy.  Should I sue them to set them straight?

First let him prove (which he can not) that he is satoshi then [...]

An attorney in the relevant jurisdiction would know how best to explain why that is the threshold question.

[Cøbra]

On the flipside, perhaps you may have a strategic advantage.  CSW and his lawyers have no significant information about the party whom they have sued.

True, that's a big disadvantage for them. They have no idea who they sued. According to court papers, they hired private investigators to find out my identity. As expected those investigators failed to find anything. Going into a lawsuit completely blind is beyond stupid, especially when your claim is very weak.

Another disadvantage for them is the publicity this case is attracting. If he wins this case, he is legally recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of Bitcoin. He's asserting he has "database rights" to the Bitcoin ledger. He asserts he owns the "Bitcoin" name. He'll inevitably claim the Satoshi coins. This is why he fights so hard to get a court to declare him as Satoshi, so he can begin enforcing these claims against exchanges, wallets, developers, etc. Obviously he will lose, but I suppose he's deluded himself and his followers into believing this is a viable strategy to take BSV to the moon. But there are just too many eyes on this, and too much money in this space to allow someone like him to even have the chance to legally assume the Satoshi moniker and associated intellectual property. The best intellectual property law firm in the UK is actively working on this whitepaper issue. He is outgunned legally.

[BrewMaster]

a good initiative but i think a much better movement is if we started a campaign forcing all exchanges to remove BSV from their trading pairs. according to coinmarketcap.com there are still a lot of them that offer the trading pair for this scam coin.

to name a few big names according to their volume and popularity: Huobi, OKEx, HitBTC, Poloniex, BiOne, KuCoin, Bitfinex, Bittrex, Gate.io, Bithumb and Binance Jex.

although this shitcoin has been dumping for over a year now but all these exchanges are providing liquidity to the scammer who would then use the funds to sue people and also cause disruption in bitcoin's development (like suing bitcoin devs).