There is no consistent money left in online poker cash tables, my analysis.

[thsceptic]

Every major poker room is infested by regulars and that too with six max. You cannot find any single limit or game type which is not infested by regulars in major poker rooms (If you know keep that secret close to your chest and grind as many hours you can there). Their aim is gain profit from rake back and leaderboards by playing 6-24 tables with less then 15% VPIP for 10-15 hours a day. Then there are other regulars who play 4-8 tables for exploitative play against formerly mentioned regulars with the aim of stealing as many blinds as they can from leader board players because they can not defend every blind with 24 tables open, you have to play  super tight to ensure less variance. 99% Exploitative regulars are not tough enough for massive variance and they eventually burn out because of the mental fatigue, Less then 1% move up the stakes. At last there are fishes (recreational / new players) who play 2 tables at most with no HUD or strategy, You will found only 3-4 fishes in an entire session that too beats you because of variance, fact is you cannot just wait for the fishes and their mistakes, this will slow down you learning process (you will learn some bad concepts as well) and eventually make you a fish.
So above mentioned three categories are there in any major poker rooms and apart from the first one almost human bot like players no body is earning anything, they too is earning like less then 10$ per hour which is in my opinion is not worth it. But wait, may be you are super genius and somehow adapt your strategy according to every one which will give you an edge in long term over first two categories of regulars, may be you are able to beat them but here comes the biggest and thickest wall for your cash game poker carrier, are you ready for it? Its daddy RAKE. Major trend is high rake almost 8-10bb/100. Lets assume you are a winning player but you cannot win 10bb/100 hands against any serious regulars it is just impossible. So ultimately all living humans are loosing in online cash games.

 

[Fortify]

Your whole post seems like one giant contradiction, "Nobody can win consistent money because there is a whole load of regulars winning consistent money". Online poker is definitely full of sharks and the level required to compete is extremely high, beyond that it also requires excellent concentration because a few bad hands can undo hours of good play. They say it takes 10,000 hours of practice to master a skill and this is no exception, unless you can put in that sort of commitment because you genuinely enjoy the game, then you might forever be relegated to giving your money away at the tables. You state $10 per hour as some magical number, but there are many reasons people can accept less than that and still play comfortably - they might live in countries where the cost of living is much lower or they might be young and still have low housing costs.

You're definitely right that poker is hyper competitive and nowhere near as easy as it was in the early days, but you either adapt (which may mean leaving the game) or end up writing futile complaints.

[yahoo62278]

If there was no winning players, there would be no poker. The regs take massive swings in their games just like anyone else, they might just be better at BRM then others. When the cards aren't going your way, leave the table and try another 1.

[mediaBuzz]

Don't forget any gambling game is consistent, especially when you are playing online. Today you won the other day double lost or even can have lost streak days. How do you think the people who won the money you lost managed to do it? Learn their method. I'm sure if you are good at it, you can make money for living out of poker because I know people who do.

[xSkylarx]

Don't forget any gambling game is consistent, especially when you are playing online. Today you won the other day double lost or even can have lost streak days. How do you think the people who won the money you lost managed to do it? Learn their method. I'm sure if you are good at it, you can make money for living out of poker because I know people who do.

Even if they are good at it there is always better than them, right? So I'm sure that even they do make a living out of it they still experience loss. Let's say they really do make money from it on a daily basis, if you are just a normal salaryman you won't risk your whole future just to do poker, I'm sure those people that do poker for a living has still a stable life even if they experienced a massive loss. I mean they do it because they enjoy it while earning from it which I assume most of us want.

[thsceptic]

Your whole post seems like one giant contradiction, . Online poker is definitely full of sharks and the level required to compete is extremely high, beyond that it also requires excellent concentration because a few bad hands can undo hours of good play. They say it takes 10,000 hours of practice to master a skill and this is no exception, unless you can put in that sort of commitment because you genuinely enjoy the game, then you might forever be relegated to giving your money away at the tables. You state $10 per hour as some magical number, but there are many reasons people can accept less than that and still play comfortably - they might live in countries where the cost of living is much lower or they might be young and still have low housing costs.

You're definitely right that poker is hyper competitive and nowhere near as easy as it was in the early days, but you either adapt (which may mean leaving the game) or end up writing futile complaints.

 Clearly you don't know enough about poker and I bet you are one of the fish who play occasionally and only remember wins, I will not even care to ask you about your online poker cash game graph because I am sure it is already in negative.
My post is contradiction or there is little maturity level from your side to jump up the conclusion, Can you please show me where I said ''"Nobody can win consistent money because there is a whole load of regulars winning consistent money", since you have quoted it and do not try to give your interpretation because now I know that it sucks.
I said the only way to make money in cash tables consistently is to play for leader boards and rake back, If you discount those it is impossible to make money. And since there are fewer leader board places there are more less winnings.
Let me ask you one more sensible question, how many poker streamers on twitch or YouTube streaming  cash game grinds? May be 2-3, they all are shifted towards tournament poker why? My post is specific about poker cash game tables realty

If there was no winning players, there would be no poker. The regs take massive swings in their games just like anyone else, they might just be better at BRM then others. When the cards aren't going your way, leave the table and try another 1.

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Who said you can not win one or two hands and feel pumped about it but lets play for above 10k hands and you will see my point. As per your logic why casino exist ? because no player can win in long run.

Don't forget any gambling game is consistent, especially when you are playing online. Today you won the other day double lost or even can have lost streak days. How do you think the people who won the money you lost managed to do it? Learn their method. I'm sure if you are good at it, you can make money for living out of poker because I know people who do.

I will not comment on the former half of your post because it is way to generalize. But the people you know are the one who are grinding cash tables? or majority of their winnings came from tournaments?

[kryptqnick]

There are many games where consistent winning is indeed impossible, but I don't think poker is one of them. I think poker is largely a game of skill because otherwise there wouldn't be famous players, worldwide tournaments etc.
But I do get why you're upset. I don't like online poker because I find some people's strategies very stressful (like when someone raises the stakes at the very beginning of the game very high).
And you're saying that some people are winning $10 per hour, but for one, it's totally worth it for many countries, and secondly, I guess it depends on the place where people are playing and what are the stakes there.

[fiulpro]

Your whole post seems like one giant contradiction, "Nobody can win consistent money because there is a whole load of regulars winning consistent money". Online poker is definitely full of sharks and the level required to compete is extremely high, beyond that it also requires excellent concentration because a few bad hands can undo hours of good play. They say it takes 10,000 hours of practice to master a skill and this is no exception, unless you can put in that sort of commitment because you genuinely enjoy the game, then you might forever be relegated to giving your money away at the tables. You state $10 per hour as some magical number, but there are many reasons people can accept less than that and still play comfortably - they might live in countries where the cost of living is much lower or they might be young and still have low housing costs.

You're definitely right that poker is hyper competitive and nowhere near as easy as it was in the early days, but you either adapt (which may mean leaving the game) or end up writing futile complaints.

At the same time you can also use the table for what it was meant to serve " for fun " . You can never expect to win always!! What you can expect to do is to play an unbiased game and win if the luck is right but unfortunately it's not going to be a 100% sure.

Whales do control some games but you can actually win. That being said you would need luck+ skills both, any deficiency of one can serve you in a dead end.

If you are that bothered try :
1. Free poker games
2. Use various strategies listed online but use only proven ones
3. Check the most important hands and make sure to memorize them ! This is what I believe is the most important
4. look for a good unbiased casino - check reviews !
5. Make small bets and go for a long haul ! This way you would be able to get more experience as a whole.

This can be said for all games tho. Best of luck and do not worry much. there are still casinos untainted by unfair dominance.

(P.S. please try and move this topic to Gambling discussion)

[nakamura12]

Poker is also a gambling game which you can earn money or lose your money very fast and not for earning profit. You point of view about poker is wrong and it shouldn't be that way. You can search it on google that gambling is to try your chance to earn huge money but comes with a great risk unlike investments and more.

[Fortify]

Clearly you don't know enough about poker and I bet you are one of the fish who play occasionally and only remember wins, I will not even care to ask you about your online poker cash game graph because I am sure it is already in negative.
My post is contradiction or there is little maturity level from your side to jump up the conclusion, Can you please show me where I said ''"Nobody can win consistent money because there is a whole load of regulars winning consistent money", since you have quoted it and do not try to give your interpretation because now I know that it sucks.
I said the only way to make money in cash tables consistently is to play for leader boards and rake back, If you discount those it is impossible to make money. And since there are fewer leader board places there are more less winnings.
Let me ask you one more sensible question, how many poker streamers on twitch or YouTube streaming  cash game grinds? May be 2-3, they all are shifted towards tournament poker why? My post is specific about poker cash game tables realty

It reads like you have a very unstable attitude which is usually incompatible with successful long term poker. You're right that rakeback can make a big contribution to the winnings of a career poker player and must be factored in. Long gone are the days that you can make easy money on the tables, fish (or people trying their luck) burn out and disappear very quickly, which means you will always be struggling against others. If you look at an average GGPoker room table you'll see many players from China, Russia and other countries where the cost of living is much lower - they can afford to grind it out and live more cheaply. That is the reality of what you face, so you either adapt or you find something else. How are you multi-tabling skills, because that is one of the few places you might be able to eek out the profit per hour you're seeking? You might have to move around different poker rooms to find newbies as well.

[South Park]

Your whole post seems like one giant contradiction, "Nobody can win consistent money because there is a whole load of regulars winning consistent money". Online poker is definitely full of sharks and the level required to compete is extremely high, beyond that it also requires excellent concentration because a few bad hands can undo hours of good play. They say it takes 10,000 hours of practice to master a skill and this is no exception, unless you can put in that sort of commitment because you genuinely enjoy the game, then you might forever be relegated to giving your money away at the tables. You state $10 per hour as some magical number, but there are many reasons people can accept less than that and still play comfortably - they might live in countries where the cost of living is much lower or they might be young and still have low housing costs.

You're definitely right that poker is hyper competitive and nowhere near as easy as it was in the early days, but you either adapt (which may mean leaving the game) or end up writing futile complaints.

I get his point since this is true in any poker table whether you are paying online or offline, the truth is that if you are seated at a table where we have only players of your same level then it is impossible to make profits as the rake will eat your capital while the capital of each player just bounces back and forth, you need bad players for your EV to be positive and if no one with those characteristics is there then you cannot make money, it is as simple as that, and since playing poker with cryptocurrencies is nowhere near as popular as other games then I am not surprised this is the current situation.

[thsceptic]

It reads like you have a very unstable attitude which is usually incompatible with successful long term poker. You're right that rakeback can make a big contribution to the winnings of a career poker player and must be factored in. Long gone are the days that you can make easy money on the tables, fish (or people trying their luck) burn out and disappear very quickly, which means you will always be struggling against others. If you look at an average GGPoker room table you'll see many players from China, Russia and other countries where the cost of living is much lower - they can afford to grind it out and live more cheaply. That is the reality of what you face, so you either adapt or you find something else. How are you multi-tabling skills, because that is one of the few places you might be able to eek out the profit per hour you're seeking? You might have to move around different poker rooms to find newbies as well.

First line of your post is bang on, I have kind of unstable attitude when it comes to bank roll management and I am surprised by the fact that you infer this from my post, excellent inference.
Multi tabling or not, bank roll management or not rake and deck will eventually catch you up in cash games specially at micro to mid stakes. It is like an edge of a casino.

[vennali]

Your whole post seems like one giant contradiction, "Nobody can win consistent money because there is a whole load of regulars winning consistent money". Online poker is definitely full of sharks and the level required to compete is extremely high, beyond that it also requires excellent concentration because a few bad hands can undo hours of good play. They say it takes 10,000 hours of practice to master a skill and this is no exception, unless you can put in that sort of commitment because you genuinely enjoy the game, then you might forever be relegated to giving your money away at the tables. You state $10 per hour as some magical number, but there are many reasons people can accept less than that and still play comfortably - they might live in countries where the cost of living is much lower or they might be young and still have low housing costs.

You're definitely right that poker is hyper competitive and nowhere near as easy as it was in the early days, but you either adapt (which may mean leaving the game) or end up writing futile complaints.

At the same time you can also use the table for what it was meant to serve " for fun " . You can never expect to win always!! What you can expect to do is to play an unbiased game and win if the luck is right but unfortunately it's not going to be a 100% sure.

Whales do control some games but you can actually win. That being said you would need luck+ skills both, any deficiency of one can serve you in a dead end.

If you are that bothered try :
1. Free poker games
2. Use various strategies listed online but use only proven ones
3. Check the most important hands and make sure to memorize them ! This is what I believe is the most important
4. look for a good unbiased casino - check reviews !
5. Make small bets and go for a long haul ! This way you would be able to get more experience as a whole.

This can be said for all games tho. Best of luck and do not worry much. there are still casinos untainted by unfair dominance.

(P.S. please try and move this topic to Gambling discussion)

Yeah, there are a lot of freerolls across multiple platforms which could be played for fun and to fund their poker account to be able to test other tables. There are a lot of explanation videos on youtube now which explain what to do in which position and how to get the best value out of your hand(which needs experience and practice). It is kinda hard to be pit against regulars who probably have played against each other and have more information about the table than you. There is also a famous saying " if you don't know who the fish on the table is, its probably you".. so, yeah. Especially with online poker, it is much harder to find tells of an opponent. I'd agree with point 3, to just play your strong hands at the start and observe how the rest of the players are reacting. Last but not the least, always only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

[iv4n]

If there was no winning players, there would be no poker. The regs take massive swings in their games just like anyone else, they might just be better at BRM then others. When the cards aren't going your way, leave the table and try another 1.

I can't agree more with your words Yahoo... a poker player!

Who plays poker knows great days when cards are just coming as we want them, and there are bad days... like really bad days! But it all comes down to Yahoo words, we all have swings, and when the cards aren't going our way we should stand up and try another day... but how hard can it be to stand up?!

[famososMuertos]

OP: when you discover warm water ...  

Call:
The Cash tables have been tough in the past in the present ... and tomorrow is another day to play.
So, it is there the really important thing, having the desire to return but the best thing is always to get bankroll to start.

There are still sites in Fiat that allow fish trackers on the tables and tell you where to go, or using programs that will make the decision, this is the norm of + NLH100...

I don't know but of a moment to another, I lost the will in my game (cash tables) and without realizing it I started with sit & go and then MTT, then came black friday and it helped me go from regular to recreational. I almost went from playing a lot to not playing at all.-

That is my advice, when you criticize your gaming environment and do not accept to adapt, it is best to leave the tables for a while, even months, that first shows you that you are in control of your emotional decisions, because the problem is not that the poker in its current version of cash tables (your opinion) does not leave consistent money, the real problem is ... that thinking that way you can not send poker to shit for a while.

Everyone who really "loves" to play poker comes back, I recommend that you seek advice but not psychological I do not know how crazy you are and I am not a psychologist to evaluate you, that is your problem, but on the player side, and based on what You write, so, you may to send your game history to third parties and they will analyze it.

There are sites or players that do it for a low cost, some even do it for free, but if you play levels where you want to win 10bb / 100 there are even well-known professionals, you have to invest time not only in the game, but in studying the game and studying our game, but looking for a third party is excellent, better than the statistics of any support program for playing poker.
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Considerations:
-Thanks for bringing up a poker topic.

-10bb / 100 is honestly beastly, maybe you can be regular player with that level at nlh 1000 +> but for the number of few hands that are played at that level..

-Infected is derogatory,  

-Please, it was difficult to read you OP, separate the paragraphs.

-The 100% crypto poker world waits for those infected.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The truth is that I had to read two and up to 3 times very slowly to be able to decipher the idea you wanted to raise very well, but think about it and take a test, play in real life and tell me how many times it is successful, I'm sure you will have the Same success rate you get when you play at online casinos.

One of my favorite games is poker, when I started playing online I looked for many techniques, I read many times the strategies that pokerstars.com puts, they really apply those strategies to the world of cryptocurrencies in online casinos and I did see when real people won, although many who use Robots on platforms today tend to fail, there would be no games or poker tournaments if everyone loses, there are people who win the money they want at 2 or 3 tables and leave, others last a long time in the tournaments and win or lose, whoever loses only assumes defeat, that's the game.

[Obito]

Well, the people who win big doesn't necessarily go back to the table to throw back all the wins into the prize pool. It doesn't warrant any worry though because as long as people are playing poker, there will always be money. Or maybe they just put less money for playing poker.

[CCwatcher420]

Disagree with this. You can see people winning on twitch consistently, even at NL500. Up your game.

[just_Alice]

Who plays poker knows great days when cards are just coming as we want them, and there are bad days... like really bad days! But it all comes down to Yahoo words, we all have swings, and when the cards aren't going our way we should stand up and try another day... but how hard can it be to stand up?!

Do you really believe there's such a thing as "the cards aren't going our way"? I think if it comes to bad games, bad days - the main factor here is the player. Maybe something's on the mind that distracts from critical thinking. Because I know for a fact that winning with bad cards is possible with the right attitude and strategy. In such a case it's important to think straight and not to make snap decisions. Because when you're in the right mood there are no "wrong cards" and unlucky days, everything is on your hands. 

[DarkDays]

Don't forget any gambling game is consistent, especially when you are playing online. Today you won the other day double lost or even can have lost streak days. How do you think the people who won the money you lost managed to do it? Learn their method. I'm sure if you are good at it, you can make money for living out of poker because I know people who do.

Even if they are good at it there is always better than them, right? So I'm sure that even they do make a living out of it they still experience loss. Let's say they really do make money from it on a daily basis, if you are just a normal salaryman you won't risk your whole future just to do poker, I'm sure those people that do poker for a living has still a stable life even if they experienced a massive loss. I mean they do it because they enjoy it while earning from it which I assume most of us want.

Poker has been taken by many (even people I know) as their day job and they take it as it comes. Sometimes there are good days and sometimes there are bad days. It is all about luck really, and a tiny amount of skill, but at the end of the day if you can't manage that level of stress and loss then definitely its a good sign you're not cut out for poker or any gambling. Some people just keep at it and get better but that's also because their lifestyle choice enables them to do so. Obviously, this won't work out for everyone.