The Vitamin D Thread.

[Poker Player]

There is some evidence, as we've seen, that moderate Vitamin D supplementation helps to protect to an extent against the worst effects of Covid.

But I still don't understand why those who want to take something to protect themselves are unwilling to take the obvious and best protection, which is the vaccine.

In my case I mentioned it a few posts back.

1) My experience is that since I have had optimal Vitamin D levels I have not caught colds and such (which is often reported by people who go on to optimize their vitamin D levels), and there is evidence to suggest that the same would be true with Covid.

2) I was more reluctant when the vaccines first came out. The more time passes and I see that there are no widespread negative effects, the less reluctant I am.

While you seem to have put a lot of coincidental information together, I get the feeling that you are attributing to malice that which can be adequately explained by "accident". Since the beginning of the human species, our body has been able to produce vitamin D from sunlight or receive it from sources like eggs. In the modern world, with many people choosing to stay indoors and hooked on TV or the internet, it is a natural consequence that people are getting less exposure to sunlight. Same with food sources, people are increasingly under pressure from work and home cooking has taken a back seat, many healthy foods are shunned in favor of fast food. Now, the only part of your idea that is possibly true is that artificially created supplements might be unnecessarily expensive, but this is also driven by supply and demand. If you combine all these shifts in human behavior it is easy to see people getting less vitamin D than the past few decades, but to call it a conspiracy when it is simply self inflicted collective societal changes seems a bit silly.

Our behavior by making more life indoors is not due to a conspiracy. The recommendation not to sunbathe and when we do sunbathe we put on supposedly protective sunscreen is what could be due to a conspiracy.

I can't be sure if there is a conspiracy or not, but after years of reading about it, it seems to me the most likely hypothesis. Besides, as in other subjects, I am open to strong arguments to change my opinion.

And it's funny that you mention the food issue. It is precisely another conspiracy that I believe in. Coca-Cola McDonald's and a lot of companies paying experts to convince everyone that it is the same to eat 2.000Kcal of Coca Cola and McDonald's than 2.000Kcal of broccoli with salmon. Also that healthy is to eat a minimum of 5 times a day, when that is a barbarity that has never been done in the history of mankind in places where there was plenty of food.

So here we are, with obesity levels and chronic diseases breaking records every year.

[jrrsparkles]

I watched an interview from a doctor who recently talking about how can we survive from this covid 19 and what kind of foods and things should be followed on it he talked about the vitamin D as well which should normally present in our body when we expose our body to sun light but in these days these things are not happening due to some changes happened in our life style and fat molecules present below the layer of the skin because which is the one should do the process of converting the sun rays into vitamin D3 to us.

So if someone lacks of vitamin D then it is necessary to take it as supplement not forever until we eradicate this covid from this earth.

[Cnut237]

I was more reluctant when the vaccines first came out. The more time passes and I see that there are no widespread negative effects, the less reluctant I am.

Yes, that makes sense. The vaccines were certainly developed at considerable pace, and with huge pressure to deliver something to the market very quickly. It was perfectly reasonable to have concerns when the rollout started. But as you say, the data are now revealing that the approved vaccines are safe.

Since the beginning of the human species, our body has been able to produce vitamin D from sunlight or receive it from sources like eggs. In the modern world, with many people choosing to stay indoors and hooked on TV or the internet, it is a natural consequence that people are getting less exposure to sunlight.

A large reason is the human migration, over millennia, out of Africa and to higher latitudes where the sunlight is less powerful. A reason for the mutation to paler skin tones in northern regions is likely compensation for vitamin D deficiency. The people who suffer most from vitamin D deficiency are those who have migrated to higher latitudes but retain darker skin tones. This is why, when investigating higher Covid mortality amongst ethnic minorities in northern nations, it is important to consider whether vitamin D levels might be a factor.

It is precisely another conspiracy that I believe in. Coca-Cola McDonald's and a lot of companies paying experts to convince everyone that it is the same to eat 2.000Kcal of Coca Cola and McDonald's than 2.000Kcal of broccoli with salmon.

I don't think this should be considered a conspiracy theory, it's simply transparent, shameless and aggressive positioning by companies that have a vested interest in the outcome. Fast food companies claim that fast food is healthy. Companies that produce alcohol claim that alcohol isn't damaging. Cigarette companies used to claim that cigarettes were safe. Fossil fuel companies claim that climate change is either natural or non-existent. The Financial Times claims that bitcoin is a scam.  ... perhaps we need more government intervention to prevent these companies from misleading people?  

[Poker Player]

I don't think this should be considered a conspiracy theory, it's simply transparent, shameless and aggressive positioning by companies that have a vested interest in the outcome. Fast food companies claim that fast food is healthy. Companies that produce alcohol claim that alcohol isn't damaging. Cigarette companies used to claim that cigarettes were safe. Fossil fuel companies claim that climate change is either natural or non-existent. The Financial Times claims that bitcoin is a scam.  

Yes, whatever. The fact is that I don't believe the official version that is told, neither in the nutritional guidelines nor with respect to vitamin D.

... perhaps we need more government intervention to prevent these companies from misleading people?  

Lol, well, you know we don't have the same stance on that, although, in principle, I'm OK with social democratic governments intervening. The thing is that for them to do it right, besides being smart and capable they have to be good people, really altruistic, etc.

With less intervention, we depend less on the qualities of politicians and more on ourselves.

Also, with justice, if companies are lying about nicotine or food to make more profit, what they are doing is cheating and the full weight of the law should be on them.

[franky1]

Our behavior by making more life indoors is not due to a conspiracy. The recommendation not to sunbathe and when we do sunbathe we put on supposedly protective sunscreen is what could be due to a conspiracy.

I can't be sure if there is a conspiracy or not, but after years of reading about it, it seems to me the most likely hypothesis. Besides, as in other subjects, I am open to strong arguments to change my opinion.

And it's funny that you mention the food issue. It is precisely another conspiracy that I believe in. Coca-Cola McDonald's and a lot of companies paying experts to convince everyone that it is the same to eat 2.000Kcal of Coca Cola and McDonald's than 2.000Kcal of broccoli with salmon. Also that healthy is to eat a minimum of 5 times a day, when that is a barbarity that has never been done in the history of mankind in places where there was plenty of food.

So here we are, with obesity levels and chronic diseases breaking records every year.

if you learn the differences between lactose, fructose, glucose, dextrose. you will learn a calorie is not just a calorie

some carbohydrates are closer to being fats. and some are closer to being sugars.

a milkshake is not the same calorie as a pepsi
and a pepsi is not the same as a bigmac
and a bigmac is not the same as broccoli

as for sunscreen..
UVA - causes skin aging.
UVB - cab absorb and create vitamin D but once the cells have had enough it no longer absorbs and starts just heating and then burning the top layers of your skin

so yea if you are sunbathing long enough for it to start feeling hot and burning. you have had too much..
continuing to sunbathe until you look like a lobster wont increase your vitD creation.

you do not need blistering sunny days to get your vitD.
you do not need to become as red as a lobster

[BADecker]

Our behavior by making more life indoors is not due to a conspiracy. The recommendation not to sunbathe and when we do sunbathe we put on supposedly protective sunscreen is what could be due to a conspiracy.

I can't be sure if there is a conspiracy or not, but after years of reading about it, it seems to me the most likely hypothesis. Besides, as in other subjects, I am open to strong arguments to change my opinion.

And it's funny that you mention the food issue. It is precisely another conspiracy that I believe in. Coca-Cola McDonald's and a lot of companies paying experts to convince everyone that it is the same to eat 2.000Kcal of Coca Cola and McDonald's than 2.000Kcal of broccoli with salmon. Also that healthy is to eat a minimum of 5 times a day, when that is a barbarity that has never been done in the history of mankind in places where there was plenty of food.

So here we are, with obesity levels and chronic diseases breaking records every year.

if you learn the differences between lactose, fructose, glucose, dextrose. you will learn a calorie is not just a calorie

some carbohydrates are closer to being fats. and some are closer to being sugars.

a milkshake is not the same calorie as a pepsi
and a pepsi is not the same as a bigmac
and a bigmac is not the same as broccoli

as for sunscreen..
UVA - causes skin aging.
UVB - cab absorb and create vitamin D but once the cells have had enough it no longer absorbs and starts just heating and then burning the top layers of your skin

so yea if you are sunbathing long enough for it to start feeling hot and burning. you have had too much..
continuing to sunbathe until you look like a lobster wont increase your vitD creation.

you do not need blistering sunny days to get your vitD.
you do not need to become as red as a lobster

If you learn the differences between medicines, you will find that you can OD on medicine way more easily than you can OD on nutritious food... just like sunbathing until you become a lobster, rather than downing 40,000 or 50,000 units of vitamin D.

When you consider that the symptoms of beriberi are almost the same as Covid, and beriberi is a thiamine deficiency just like Covid looks to be, we wonder if Covid produces any bad effects at all! Maybe the only thing that Covid does is to cause the body to use more thiamine so that people get beriberi. And that's what Covid really is - beriberi.

There are so many ways that the medical isn't checking into what Covid really is, that they have no idea as to how to cure it. Just don't let them turn you into a red lobster, or you might find yourself on the menu at a Red Lobster.

[Poker Player]

Sure, sure franky. On the one hand you take things that I say and twist them to contradict me and on the other hand it seems that you want to contradict me in things that we agree.

a milkshake is not the same calorie as a pepsi
and a pepsi is not the same as a bigmac

According to today's nutritional guidelines, if you have a basal metabolic expenditure of 2,000 Kcal per day and you eat 1,800 Kcal of coke and MCD, you will lose weight. That is the problem. Not that a Pepsi is not the same as a Bigmac.

The effect on insulin, ghrelin or leptin of that food is what's important.

And for the other thing you say, I don't bother to answer you because I have already done it before, and you keep on going on and on:

you do not need to become as red as a lobster

LOL. 

[franky1]

When you consider that the symptoms of beriberi are almost the same as Covid, and beriberi is a thiamine deficiency just like Covid looks to be, we wonder if Covid produces any bad effects at all! Maybe the only thing that Covid does is to cause the body to use more thiamine so that people get beriberi. And that's what Covid really is - beriberi.

covid causes lung inflammation that causes coughing.. and causes lung damage and suffocation

beriberi causes a loss of feeling and muscle use in your limbs(arms and legs)

beri beri=limbs
covid=lungs

not sure if you are dyslexic or just reading your scripts from an uninformed conspiracy site. but beriberi is nothing like covid.

hint: 26seconds to debunk your narrative.. try harder

[BADecker]

The Vitamin D Thread.


Called by the medical, "The Vitamin D Threat," because it's obliterating everything they stand for, including their livelihood.