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May 16, 2021, 05:58:45 PM
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If you become familiar with the concept of economics, the economic system in a socialist society, you will be surprised. There are no markets, no satisfaction of demand, no competition, nothing. There is a consumption plan where the "elders" decide how many pairs of socks you need and which ones, how much pasta and sugar, as well as toilet paper, medicines and watches! And nobody cares about your taste, desires, plans. This is socialism. But if you get acquainted with the economic model in the communist state, I'm afraid your eyes will twitch and you will be tormented by a couple of days of sleepiness Smiley
That is not socialism, that is dictatorship. If one person decides what you will wear and how many socks you will have, how could that be a democracy? Do you really believe that someone else deciding how many socks I could have could ever be democracy? Impossible, hence it is not socialism neither, it could be considered communism instead.

What western nations run by capitalism doesn't tell you that socialist nations like Spain, France, Norway, Finland, Sweden, even UK in some things (and ruthless capitalist in others) all are run by socialistic values, free healthcare, free education, free meals to kids at school, all paid by taxes, those are socialist values, and yet you can still elect a capitalist or a militarist or whatever else you want, because it is democracy, and you can go buy any sock you want, nobody would stop you from doing that.


Very correctly noticed about non-compliance!
But there is a nuance - this is how socialism was built by the USSR and its henchmen, in the form of a dictatorship, with a total dictatorship, with a restriction of rights and freedoms! Namely, by “feeding” people with a beautiful idea (you must admit that socialism is a quality idea), they perverted the implementation and built an objectively terrible world of terror and violence, where a person was only a resource for achieving the goals of a handful of dictators! Imagine what the inhabitants of the USSR were brought to, that for an attempt to sell JEANS, people were actually sentenced to capital punishment, i.e. death penalty by firing squad! No, I have not lost my mind, and not under drug intoxication, this is REALITY from the USSR, "the country of developed socialism" (here is an example https://lovetalk.ru/groups/interesnie-fakti/djinsi-kak-prestuplenie-kak-eto-bilo-v-sssr /, Google will translate). This was the face of "Soviet socialism"! And the price of "free", in the USSR, education, medicine (by the way, of a disgusting quality for the most part), was work for a beggarly salary. For example, about the same jeans - the average salary in the USSR was 120-150 rubles / month, and jeans cost 200-250 rubles, and someone had to bring them from Western countries.
I will add that the countries you mentioned did not build 100% socialism, but they took a lot of it and implemented it into their system, and they did it much better!

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May 16, 2021, 07:30:25 PM
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Imagine what the inhabitants of the USSR were brought to, that for an attempt to sell JEANS, people were actually sentenced to capital punishment, i.e. death penalty by firing squad! No, I have not lost my mind, and not under drug intoxication, this is REALITY from the USSR, "the country of developed socialism" (here is an example https://lovetalk.ru/groups/interesnie-fakti/djinsi-kak-prestuplenie-kak-eto-bilo-v-sssr /, Google will translate). This was the face of "Soviet socialism"! And the price of "free", in the USSR, education, medicine (by the way, of a disgusting quality for the most part), was work for a beggarly salary. For example, about the same jeans - the average salary in the USSR was 120-150 rubles / month, and jeans cost 200-250 rubles, and someone had to bring them from Western countries.
This is the first time i am hearing about these specific brutalities but i have read a few and in totality it was a horrible period to live with two world wars and life was a struggle and then on top of that these sort of miseries and fear of the government when people are trying to make ends meet.  

I will add that the countries you mentioned did not build 100% socialism, but they took a lot of it and implemented it into their system, and they did it much better!
I could see your point, they took the good values in socialism and implemented in democratic countries. Not sure every country who borrowed these values are doing much better as nothing is perfect and you need to look in different countries that implemented them to analyse the success ratio.
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May 17, 2021, 07:02:29 PM
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Imagine what the inhabitants of the USSR were brought to, that for an attempt to sell JEANS, people were actually sentenced to capital punishment, i.e. death penalty by firing squad! No, I have not lost my mind, and not under drug intoxication, this is REALITY from the USSR, "the country of developed socialism" (here is an example https://lovetalk.ru/groups/interesnie-fakti/djinsi-kak-prestuplenie-kak-eto-bilo-v-sssr /, Google will translate). This was the face of "Soviet socialism"! And the price of "free", in the USSR, education, medicine (by the way, of a disgusting quality for the most part), was work for a beggarly salary. For example, about the same jeans - the average salary in the USSR was 120-150 rubles / month, and jeans cost 200-250 rubles, and someone had to bring them from Western countries.
This is the first time i am hearing about these specific brutalities but i have read a few and in totality it was a horrible period to live with two world wars and life was a struggle and then on top of that these sort of miseries and fear of the government when people are trying to make ends meet.  

I will add that the countries you mentioned did not build 100% socialism, but they took a lot of it and implemented it into their system, and they did it much better!
I could see your point, they took the good values in socialism and implemented in democratic countries. Not sure every country who borrowed these values are doing much better as nothing is perfect and you need to look in different countries that implemented them to analyse the success ratio.

The USSR has always presented itself as "the best and fairest country for the people", and in fact this regime is worse than Hitler's Germany - so that you know, the Soviet regime destroyed its citizens no less than Hitler's Germany did the inhabitants of the USSR in World War II.

About the "introduction of socialism" - I do not idealize these countries. Moreover, I personally visited most of them (I love traveling), and touched how people live there. I like the way people live in Finland. I like the changes in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. I feel comfortable in Sweden and the Czech Republic. Yes, there are also problems everywhere. But small problems are normal, the world is not ideal, but they value PERSONALITY, FREEDOM, LAW. It is very important !

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May 18, 2021, 06:13:53 AM
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^^^ Countries such as Sweden and Denmark are not socialist countries. They are capitalist countries (with a large wealth disparity), with socialist principles implemented in some of the sectors such as education and healthcare. I don't even know whether we can call these as "socialist" principles, because providing free education and healthcare to everyone is more like a humanist idea than a socialist policy. Socialism plagiarized some of these principles, so that it would look more appealing for the poor.
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