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Venture capital giant Andreessen Horowitz is looking to raise a fund of as much as $1 billion to invest in cryptocurrencies and crypto start-ups, the Financial Times reported on Friday. April 30, 2021The new fund is aiming to raise between $800 million and $1 billion from investors, the report said, citing people familiar with the matter. Andreessen Horowitz did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment. The news of the development comes as cryptocurrencies surge in value this year, with a clutch of top-tier firms including Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) diving into the space. https://www.reuters.com/business/andreessen-horowitz-plans-1-bln-cryptocurrency-vc-fund-ft-2021-04-30/.... It seems investment firms are still raising billions in capital to buy BTC and crypto. We may not yet have seen the ceiling. What is key here is the motive behind it. Will they hold bitcoin as an inflation protected asset. Invest in less known crypto assets in the hope of generating revenue via growth. Is speculation a primary concern. Or are there other reasons. Whatever the motive, I don't think anyone can deny crypto is exploding atm and everyone wants a piece of the action. Perhaps this will turn into a dream scenario where everyone that plays the crypto game will walk out a winner. Wouldn't that be great. Everyone in crypto wins. No one loses.
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This to me reaffirms that we are at the beginning of an S-curve. Although Bitcoin has been around for more than 10 years, those entering the crypto world now can be considered early adopters, the next few years will be the easiest time to make money, as it is an expanding market. On the motives, I'm not sure either, but what I like is the flow of money it will attract to the crypto world.
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Whatever the motive, I don't think anyone can deny crypto is exploding atm and everyone wants a piece of the action. Perhaps this will turn into a dream scenario where everyone that plays the crypto game will walk out a winner. Wouldn't that be great. Everyone in crypto wins. No one loses.
There is no doubt that everyone wants a piece of crypto cake, and even those who have been crypto skeptics see that there is a way to profit from investing in crypto. However, a line should be drawn between those who know what they are doing and those who just think they know what they are doing. Therefore, I would not agree that everyone will be a winner, because always someone's gain is actually the result of someone's loss. If we take the example of what happened in late 2017 and early 2018, it’s hard for me to even imagine what a bloodbath could happen if things go downhill at one point. Still, I want to believe that this time it may be different - although it seems to me that big investors are a double-edged sword - they still mostly only care about profit and will not hesitate to sell everything they have if they feel serious danger.
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Whatever their motive is, we all should have a bitcoin in our wallet because we don't want to be missing out on something and a positive thing from happening is more likely to happen to the market compared to negatives.
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Doesn’t Anderseen Horowitz currently have a VC fund, or funds that have invested on some Bitcoin companies, and some shitcoin blockchain networks? There was a network called NEAR that “A16Z” have already invested in. Why the new VC fund?
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More corporate spending means more centralization of cryptos. It is not really favorable for commoners like us in long term. Venture capital funds are seeing more profit from cryptospace and crypto related startups, so they are sniffing for opportunities.
It might sound good for now but in long term, cryptos will not benefit the common people like us if its control goes to the hand of money hungry corporates. There's no liquidity issue in the market, so we don't really need corporate funds here!
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May 05, 2021, 12:43:08 PM |
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More corporate spending means more centralization of cryptos. It is not really favorable for commoners like us in long term. Venture capital funds are seeing more profit from cryptospace and crypto related startups, so they are sniffing for opportunities.
It might sound good for now but in long term, cryptos will not benefit the common people like us if its control goes to the hand of money hungry corporates. There's no liquidity issue in the market, so we don't really need corporate funds here!
Define centralization first. IMO, centralization occurs when an entity or an individual decides who can use a specific service and who needs to be shut out. Even if the institutions managed to own 90% of the cryptocurrency, they will not be able to prevent any specific individual from using Bitcoin. The idea of centralization doesn't work in the cryptocurrency sector, similar to how it works with fiat currency. Therefore I don't think that individual investors need to worry too much about the entry of institutions.
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There are quite a few announcements of bitcoin and cryptofunds. As I said many times when people questioned if Wall Street would adopt bitcoin or the investment institutions would like to take part, they will do as their clients say. Even plenty of 2018 and 2020 are hype, it is a hype appreciated by the large wealth owners across the globe and that is something that investment banking never ignores. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304479.msg56764940#msg56764940
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What is key here is the motive behind it. Will they hold bitcoin as an inflation protected asset. Invest in less known crypto assets in the hope of generating revenue via growth. Is speculation a primary concern. Or are there other reasons.
I have no idea what the motive is behind all this big-money investment, but in most cases I wouldn't think it would be to protect money from inflation--there's no guarantee any crypto is going to do that, and usually investors flock to the precious metals market if they're just looking for an inflation hedge. Crypto is way more speculative and isn't a safe-haven asset class. On the other hand, companies like MSTR are viewing bitcoin as a better alternative to cash, so who knows? Someone linked to this website that lists all the large institutional (and private) investment in bitcoin, which I find very interesting. I happen to think that a lot of this is just people following an upward trend rather than any real faith in bitcoin as an alternative to cash, stocks, or other investments for the long term. Should be interesting to see what the altcoin market does. So far this year, a lot of alts have been booming, and that's good to see. When bitcoin and alts go up at the same time, it indicates to me that a lot of new money is pouring into the entire crypto space.
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May 05, 2021, 09:17:40 PM |
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Venture capital giant Andreessen Horowitz is looking to raise a fund of as much as $1 billion to invest in cryptocurrencies and crypto start-ups, the Financial Times reported on Friday.
It seems investment firms are still raising billions in capital to buy BTC and crypto. We may not yet have seen the ceiling.
I think you misunderstood the title that it is about crypto start-ups and not investing in cryptocurrencies. Hearing the word 'cryptocurrencies' has become popular and some investment funds respond to clients ’desire to diversify their investment portfolios, but this does not mean buying bitcoin or investing in it. its includes NFT, DeFi, Gaming,...etc and all the modern things that cryptocurrency market has reached. I don't think a large chunk of 1 billion will appear as an order for Bitcoin.
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Big names and deep pockets are already setting up plans for the inevitable future of cryptocurrencies. Today we may see $1B as something so big for a market front that is still considered growing, but in the future when we look back when the cryptocurrency market has been established—enough to rival and better the traditional asset scene—this $1B will be a drop in the ocean. Nonetheless, good for Horowitz to be able to contribute to start-ups and crypto in general. Most companies are directly investing in crypto, but not enough attention on the infrastructure and services around has been given lately.
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May 05, 2021, 09:56:32 PM |
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Invest into cryptocurrencies and crypto startups are two very different things. Tesla invested 1.5 billion dollars into bitcoin, and even though that was a huge news and increased the price it was due to Tesla being a huge corporation, microstrategy bought bitcoin as well and only we got to hear about it, regular people mostly didn't.
So, the point here is that if he invests into crypto startups that is going to be awesome because we need those kinds of companies. Look at USA for example, coinbase is basically handling more than half of all crypto transactions there, and we definitely need one that needs to be competing with them to get some market, there are many small ones but they are nothing at all, so Andreessen could maybe fund one that could go bigger, mainly marketing is what companies need. So startups are good, but if buys crypto, not so good.
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May 05, 2021, 10:07:30 PM |
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It seems investment firms are still raising billions in capital to buy BTC and crypto. We may not yet have seen the ceiling.
What is key here is the motive behind it. Will they hold bitcoin as an inflation protected asset. Invest in less known crypto assets in the hope of generating revenue via growth. Is speculation a primary concern. Or are there other reasons.
Whatever the motive, I don't think anyone can deny crypto is exploding atm and everyone wants a piece of the action. Perhaps this will turn into a dream scenario where everyone that plays the crypto game will walk out a winner. Wouldn't that be great. Everyone in crypto wins. No one loses.
I highly doubt that these VC funds are going to be looking at BTC as a purely inflation hedge. They'll likely try to chase high growth and high revenue through angel investing into highly risk crypto ventures - buying and holding alone is probably not going cut it for the rate of growth that they are targeting. I'm not too sure how he plans on getting $1b in funding though - institutional investors probably won't be able to take this type of risk, whilst for retail investors they seem to prefer to speculate on crypto assets themselves.
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Big names and deep pockets are already setting up plans for the inevitable future of cryptocurrencies. Today we may see $1B as something so big for a market front that is still considered growing, but in the future when we look back when the cryptocurrency market has been established—enough to rival and better the traditional asset scene—this $1B will be a drop in the ocean. Nonetheless, good for Horowitz to be able to contribute to start-ups and crypto in general. Most companies are directly investing in crypto, but not enough attention on the infrastructure and services around has been given lately.
It’s a new VC fund for him. I believe he already has investments in some Bitcoin companies which both were successes and failures, and some investments in shitcoin projects, like the NEAR Network, which isn’t successful during the current bull cycle. It seems investment firms are still raising billions in capital to buy BTC and crypto. We may not yet have seen the ceiling.
What is key here is the motive behind it. Will they hold bitcoin as an inflation protected asset. Invest in less known crypto assets in the hope of generating revenue via growth. Is speculation a primary concern. Or are there other reasons.
Whatever the motive, I don't think anyone can deny crypto is exploding atm and everyone wants a piece of the action. Perhaps this will turn into a dream scenario where everyone that plays the crypto game will walk out a winner. Wouldn't that be great. Everyone in crypto wins. No one loses.
I highly doubt that these VC funds are going to be looking at BTC as a purely inflation hedge. They'll likely try to chase high growth and high revenue through angel investing into highly risk crypto ventures - buying and holding alone is probably not going cut it for the rate of growth that they are targeting. Or chase Bitcoin startups with high growth potential. After each bull cycles, most shitcoins are forgotten. Why invest in that?
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Unfortunately their motive was not that sincere to hold BTC for a long time. In fact, those who have come only to take huge profits are in the current hype. Say it is Elon Musk who has sold his BTC when the price has gone up because of the hype he built. Now he's making the market unhealthy by continuously pumping prices into coin memes. The market has been so unhealthy lately. Many people profit at the expense of others.
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May 06, 2021, 05:43:34 PM |
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Yes, we are yet to see the highest price yet, the price of bitcoin has shown resilience at the current price rate, and it’s still showing signs that it will move up again. I wasn’t expecting it hold on this much longer, I was thinking that by now the price have crashed to a lower rate as it did before, but it seems that’s not the case as it keeps on hanging this high price for a long time. And now there is this news about a giant institution planning to raise billions of dollars and invest them in Bitcoin.
This shows that there are many other institutions that will be looking for funds to invest in Bitcoin, but since they have not come out publicly to say it, people wouldn’t know that. And this is a trend that will keep growing in years to come.
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Unfortunately their motive was not that sincere to hold BTC for a long time. In fact, those who have come only to take huge profits are in the current hype. Say it is Elon Musk who has sold his BTC when the price has gone up because of the hype he built. Now he's making the market unhealthy by continuously pumping prices into coin memes. The market has been so unhealthy lately. Many people profit at the expense of others.
Haha. That has never changed. Bitcoin requires the free market, a market of buyers and sellers, for price discovery. The whole community of plebs, OG miners, and old investors already front-run the billionaires, and can sell their coins and profit at the bilionaire’s expense.
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The venture capital company Andreessen Horowitz (a16z) has announced the completion of the collection of investments for its third crypto fund with a total volume of $2.2 bln. Crypto Fund III has become the largest in terms of funds raised. https://a16z.com/2021/06/24/crypto-fund-iii/
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Crypto startups and Bitcoin are two very different things. So it might end up being an endorsement of scammers, a way to launder money or a way of focusing on everything but Bitcoin in hopes to make it weaker. They can focus on altcoins, on different blockchain use cases etc., so I think this news is not as good as Tesla investing in BTC used to be. It's vague and there is a good chance it's not going to help Bitcoin recover because it's not about seeing the potential of Bitcoin. Hopefully, it won't be bad for the market either, and it's nice that cryptos still attract institutional interest.
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Venture capital giant Andreessen Horowitz is looking to raise a fund of as much as $1 billion to invest in cryptocurrencies and crypto start-ups, the Financial Times reported on Friday. April 30, 2021The new fund is aiming to raise between $800 million and $1 billion from investors, the report said, citing people familiar with the matter. Andreessen Horowitz did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment. The news of the development comes as cryptocurrencies surge in value this year, with a clutch of top-tier firms including Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) diving into the space. https://www.reuters.com/business/andreessen-horowitz-plans-1-bln-cryptocurrency-vc-fund-ft-2021-04-30/.... It seems investment firms are still raising billions in capital to buy BTC and crypto. We may not yet have seen the ceiling.What is key here is the motive behind it. Will they hold bitcoin as an inflation protected asset. Invest in less known crypto assets in the hope of generating revenue via growth. Is speculation a primary concern. Or are there other reasons. Whatever the motive, I don't think anyone can deny crypto is exploding atm and everyone wants a piece of the action. Perhaps this will turn into a dream scenario where everyone that plays the crypto game will walk out a winner. Wouldn't that be great. Everyone in crypto wins. No one loses. No, this is incorrect. AH is a venture capital adviser, in order to qualify under the venture capital exemption under the Investment Company Act, there are strict criteria the fund has to meet. Investing in cryptocurrency would not satisfy the exemption. AH is investing in crypto-related businesses, not crypto itself.
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