Sumo betting seems rigged - can you make profit with it?

[btc78]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Sure? Japan allows this to happen? i believe that Japan is one of the most Honest government in the world(though of course there are still some crooks inside) but i don't expect that they will let the disrespect to their own game, their cultural and very own game will be rigged just like this.

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

if your conscience will allow you to feel not guilty then why not right?

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[michellee]

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team.

That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.

[tabas]

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team.

That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

[uneng]

I always liked watching sumo fights very much and it is the first time I hear the results are rigged. Well, that is a pitty for sumo's organizers to let it happen for time enough to become a scandal involving at least dozens of wrestlers. With this, I believe they weak their traditions and lose respect from the public. Unfortunatelly from now on I'm going to watch sumo with other eyes.
And as the matches are rigged, it's not a good idea to bet on them, because even if you are a great enthusiast of the sport and know everything about it, your analysis about the athletes will be worthless, since their skills don't decide anything on the game.

[hahay]

I always liked watching sumo fights very much and it is the first time I hear the results are rigged. Well, that is a pitty for sumo's organizers to let it happen for time enough to become a scandal involving at least dozens of wrestlers. With this, I believe they weak their traditions and lose respect from the public. Unfortunatelly from now on I'm going to watch sumo with other eyes.
And as the matches are rigged, it's not a good idea to bet on them, because even if you are a great enthusiast of the sport and know everything about it, your analysis about the athletes will be worthless, since their skills don't decide anything on the game.

Agreed, it doesn't take any analysis to bet on any rigged matches, but if any of them like lucky bets then maybe betting on rigged matches can be a challenge for them. But unfortunately, gamblers will never know whether the match is rigged or not because there are no leaks regarding cases like this. So yeah, I think when a match is rigged it's not only detrimental to the wrestlers or the athletes involved, because at least everyone involved will get sanctioned and many of the gamblers lose money in cases like this.

[michellee]

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team.

That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

That is the best thing that we can do and not hate the organization which rigging the game. We do not have to think much about the rigging, as that can happen in other sports. If we do not like that, we can move to the other sports, but maybe we will see another rigging that can happen. It is better to enjoy the game and get the entertainment from the sports because if we think about the rigging, that will make us hard to enjoy.

[tabas]

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

That is the best thing that we can do and not hate the organization which rigging the game. We do not have to think much about the rigging, as that can happen in other sports. If we do not like that, we can move to the other sports, but maybe we will see another rigging that can happen. It is better to enjoy the game and get the entertainment from the sports because if we think about the rigging, that will make us hard to enjoy.

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

[tabas]

Right! if you don't feel the game then stop watching it or bet from it, you'll see that it won't change anything if you
are not enjoying whatever the outcome you still not  satisfied.

Better to find other sport that will let you enjoy and you'll not think that there's a rigging incident that's happening
behind you.

Yes, there's nothing going to change if you just stop watching it and you're not supporting it anymore. It's just part of us that when see a game that's being rigged, that's the first reaction that we'll have.
We're not contemplating it first and our emotions are the ones that becomes superior to us.

[Saint-loup]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210604-france-detains-russian-tennis-player-over-suspected-match-fixing

[rodskee]

When i was a child , I use to be scared in Sumo wrestler because of their Build , Huge Body with big tummy sometimes i am thinking that they are eating children 

Until in College that i start loving watching the competition specially when i found out about the World Wrestling Federation is scripted? I'm so disappointed but now knowing this that the event is rigged , I am feeling sad and will stop betting in this sport for a whiile.

[YuginKadoya]

I have once come across a post here about betting on WWE wrestling and everyone knows that it is a real deal rigged, but it is always fun to just bet it all out even though it is RIG you will never know who's really going to win unless the ones that are betting is the general manager or some officials that are directing and already know what will happen with the fights,

Well in my opinion Sumo Wrestling if it is really rigged and even though it is rigged you will never know the outcome of the fight, you can surely look at the pattern or the conclusion on what may happen I think rigged games like this is for entertainment purpose only if you want to bet on it because we the audience don't really know what may happen can sure bet on it, and there is always an advantage and a disadvantage when betting on rigged fight or game.

[michellee]

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

That is the best thing that we can do and not hate the organization which rigging the game. We do not have to think much about the rigging, as that can happen in other sports. If we do not like that, we can move to the other sports, but maybe we will see another rigging that can happen. It is better to enjoy the game and get the entertainment from the sports because if we think about the rigging, that will make us hard to enjoy.

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

Yes, we can feel upset and maybe we will leave the games and not care about the result. But we can not do anything and we only hope that next time, there are no other rigging on the other sport. But the chances for us to know that the sports are rigged is too small as the people involved in that will not show to the public and will make sure people will not know about that. Maybe we only need to enjoy the games and if we want to bet, we can bet for small amounts and not have a big expectation from the sports.

[tabas]

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

Yes, we can feel upset and maybe we will leave the games and not care about the result. But we can not do anything and we only hope that next time, there are no other rigging on the other sport. But the chances for us to know that the sports are rigged is too small as the people involved in that will not show to the public and will make sure people will not know about that. Maybe we only need to enjoy the games and if we want to bet, we can bet for small amounts and not have a big expectation from the sports.

We will never know if there's a rigging happening in a sumo match until someone exposes it. And it is for every game or sport which has been said to have rigged games.
If you want to avoid such, just go elsewhere and only watch sumo matches if you feel uncomfortable. That's it and the only very little thing that you can do if you're truly upset with what you've known although it didn't happened to you.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.

I was not aware that a body is overlooking sports corruption and they caught her because there was a high level of betting activity taking place in her matches and they lost that match and this is the first time i am hearing about investigating teams monitoring all the sports activity but i doubt what evidence they will be able to provide in court.

We need to get rid of rigged sporting events as we are loosing huge amounts and that is a criminal offense to being with and these players who are proved to be helping to rig matches should be banned for life rather than giving them chances.

[Saint-loup]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.

I was not aware that a body is overlooking sports corruption and they caught her because there was a high level of betting activity taking place in her matches and they lost that match and this is the first time i am hearing about investigating teams monitoring all the sports activity but i doubt what evidence they will be able to provide in court.

We need to get rid of rigged sporting events as we are loosing huge amounts and that is a criminal offense to being with and these players who are proved to be helping to rig matches should be banned for life rather than giving them chances.

You must be a newbie in the gambling world if you have never heard about that. Of course there is a dedicated police in almost all countries which monitors betting markets and casino games to avoid fraud and rigged matchs or gambling games. But I don't think a player should be banned for life just because he voluntarily lost a game LOL When you bet there is always a part of uncertainty so you should take into account this risk.

[uneng]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.

I was not aware that a body is overlooking sports corruption and they caught her because there was a high level of betting activity taking place in her matches and they lost that match and this is the first time i am hearing about investigating teams monitoring all the sports activity but i doubt what evidence they will be able to provide in court.

We need to get rid of rigged sporting events as we are loosing huge amounts and that is a criminal offense to being with and these players who are proved to be helping to rig matches should be banned for life rather than giving them chances.

You must be a newbie in the gambling world if you have never heard about that. Of course there is a dedicated police in almost all countries which monitors betting markets and casino games to avoid fraud and rigged matchs or gambling games. But I don't think a player should be banned for life just because he voluntarily lost a game LOL When you bet there is always a part of uncertainty so you should take into account this risk.

Naturally the player who loses a game voluntarily will have to be banned from professional championships because he won't entertain the public anymore, since his gameplay is faked. People like to watch athletes who give everything they have to show during a game. That is what makes the match competitive, unpredictable and fascinating. That is the basic of any sports.
The rigged game is tepid and emotionless. Consequently besides the public, sponsors will also fade away from the sport if cheater players aren't removed. And without sponsors there are no games.

[michellee]

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

Yes, we can feel upset and maybe we will leave the games and not care about the result. But we can not do anything and we only hope that next time, there are no other rigging on the other sport. But the chances for us to know that the sports are rigged is too small as the people involved in that will not show to the public and will make sure people will not know about that. Maybe we only need to enjoy the games and if we want to bet, we can bet for small amounts and not have a big expectation from the sports.

We will never know if there's a rigging happening in a sumo match until someone exposes it. And it is for every game or sport which has been said to have rigged games.
If you want to avoid such, just go elsewhere and only watch sumo matches if you feel uncomfortable. That's it and the only very little thing that you can do if you're truly upset with what you've known although it didn't happened to you.

Yeah, that is the point. We can enjoy the game without knowing the truth behind that sports. That sport will not look that it gets rigged because the player and all people involved in that sports look natural as the other sports.
So people will never think about the sports is getting rigged. People tend to enjoy the sumo and support their players, and some will bet on their players.

[Saint-loup]

When i was a child , I use to be scared in Sumo wrestler because of their Build , Huge Body with big tummy sometimes i am thinking that they are eating children 

Until in College that i start loving watching the competition specially when i found out about the World Wrestling Federation is scripted? I'm so disappointed but now knowing this that the event is rigged , I am feeling sad and will stop betting in this sport for a whiile.

You will stop betting on this sport for a while? On which sportsbook did you place your bets please, I'm interested. I don't know any bookmaker offering markets on this sport and nobody in this thread has been able to name any bookie offering them. Besides I'm little bit surprised you didn't realize till the college World Wrestling Federation was a scripted show lol, you were not a very clever student at school I guess, right? From which country are you?

[Betwrong]

When i was a child , I use to be scared in Sumo wrestler because of their Build , Huge Body with big tummy sometimes i am thinking that they are eating children  

Until in College that i start loving watching the competition specially when i found out about the World Wrestling Federation is scripted? I'm so disappointed but now knowing this that the event is rigged , I am feeling sad and will stop betting in this sport for a whiile.

You will stop betting on this sport for a while? On which sportsbook did you place your bets please, I'm interested. I don't know any bookmaker offering markets on this sport and nobody in this thread has been able to name any bookie offering them. Besides I'm little bit surprised you didn't realize till the college World Wrestling Federation was a scripted show lol, you were not a very clever student at school I guess, right? From which country are you?

I don't bet on sumo myself, but I read in this  article that at least in Japan they have platforms for that.  I think the reason why nobody in this thread was able to name one - we don't have many people from Japan on this forum, and those who are from Japan don't hang out in the gambling section.

Regarding the words by@rodskee about sumo being rigged, this conclusion should have not been made based on one event. One rigged game doesn't mean the whole sport is rigged the way World Wrestling Federation is scripted.

[Lorence.xD]

If you have an intimate knowledge regarding the rigging then probably you can make a profit out of it but if you just know that it is rigged and you have no way of knowing who will exactly win then it's not that profitable unless there's a pattern and you know how it works.