Sumo betting seems rigged - can you make profit with it?

[paxmao]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

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[Sled]

Not because a certain sport is a rig you would easily win... that's a wrong perception, rig games favor only people who know which fighter will win, while it's expected that majority of the bettors are on the wrong side to fill the bets of the opposite party which is controlled by the whales or those who rig the game. Lots of league or games are rig, but was it announce that everyone was winning because it was rig?

[stomachgrowls]

Actually surprised that even into this one it can be rigged out where you would be clearly seeing if something goes wrong between those sumo wrestlers.
Did make out some search and found several articles about rigging up their fights.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/03/sumo-wrestlers-admit-fixing-matches
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/world/asia/05sumo.html
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DugganLevitt2002.pdf

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

When it comes to this then this isnt something that you can easily handle or guess on.

[just_Alice]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.
An article here-

The references in the article you provided are dated over a decade ago, the things can be different now. But nonetheless, why there wouldn't be rigging in sumo? If other combat sports are so easily rigged, why can't this one be?

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Obviously, no. Unless someone from the inside spills the beans. In another case, rigging will more likely be a disadvantage, because you place bets basing on what you know about the sportsmen, the teams, their previous fighting, etc., and if the game's rigged the things become unpredictable.

[Mahanton]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.
An article here-

The references in the article you provided are dated over a decade ago, the things can be different now. But nonetheless, why there wouldn't be rigging in sumo? If other combat sports are so easily rigged, why can't this one be?

Well said!

If known sports can be rigged out then there's no exception for this one to be rigged too.Its not really that surprising that fixing games or match-ups can really be done
without us knowing but somewhat it is bit obvious.
There's no way to be easy on predicting fixed matches and as you said unless if there would be someone would spill up the beans then that would
really be an advantage but i doubt that those information doesnt surface easily.

[samcrypto]

Many sports are being manipulated and Sumo is also vulnerable to that despite of the Japanese culture, I don’t think you can easily make money with this one, not unless you have someone working with the team and gave you the signal on who will won the match. I’d love watching Sumo, I saw a deep culture on this one and as far as I know, i didn’t bet on any match yet.

[sunsilk]

I know that Japanese are one of the most honest people in the world and it's part of their culture. But there really is the chance that a sumo game can be rigged but talking as if I'm sure of it, I can't stand with that as I have never bet with any sumo match.

By the way, in which common sports book we can see sumo wrestling matches to bet on?

[TimeTeller]

I know that Japanese are one of the most honest people in the world and it's part of their culture. But there really is the chance that a sumo game can be rigged but talking as if I'm sure of it, I can't stand with that as I have never bet with any sumo match.

By the way, in which common sports book we can see sumo wrestling matches to bet on?

They are honest people but in sports like this, rigging is always possible.
We don't know the combination of people involved in this sport, and there will always be a bad apple in the group.
Haven't really followed this sport, so maybe if you are familiar with the players and how they perform, you can spot if something is wrong with the match.

[Hamphser]

I know that Japanese are one of the most honest people in the world and it's part of their culture. But there really is the chance that a sumo game can be rigged but talking as if I'm sure of it, I can't stand with that as I have never bet with any sumo match.

By the way, in which common sports book we can see sumo wrestling matches to bet on?

When it comes to money then everything would change and also to think that not all would really be Japanese specially to those who had been organizing the event

therefore we can see chances of getting being rigged.So far i havent seen any bookies about sumo betting.

[Hydrogen]

Both mixed martial arts (pride fc) and sumo in japan have been tied to organized crime (yakuza) in past years.

New laws passed in japan prohibit yakuza from owning cellular phones or having bank accounts. Organized crime in the yakuza appears to be on the decline. And so perhaps gambling on sumo will become more legit as a result.

However there have been investigations in the past which determined some sumo athletes rig games between themselves on an honor based system for their own motives reasons that have nothing to do with gambling. Maybe one sumo wrestler might be struggling to pay his bills. And another will throw a match to help him out of a tight financial spot. That has been documented in the past.

Many rigged matches in sports occur on a regulatory level with judges, referees and athletic commissions. That could be a more worrisome obstacle to overcome for gamblers.

[Wexnident]

Well taking advantage of rigged games requires one to actually know that the game is rigged in the first place. Identifying the underlying details of a match beforehand could prove to be quite useful, heck just identifying if the match has a chance of being rigged or not is already good enough info for one to take advantage of. Seems like its an open understanding within the community at times since it's happened quite often?

[Kittygalore]

If you know who wins then it can help you immensely in betting, but in this case, the rigging of the matches is going to be difficult for you because you don't exactly know but you have an idea who wins the match but things could turn the other way.

[Saint-loup]

Well taking advantage of rigged games requires one to actually know that the game is rigged in the first place. Identifying the underlying details of a match beforehand could prove to be quite useful, heck just identifying if the match has a chance of being rigged or not is already good enough info for one to take advantage of. Seems like its an open understanding within the community at times since it's happened quite often?

I don't understand what you mean Wexnident, could you explain how you can take advantage from a match having chances of being rigged precisely? Even if you know that the match will be rigged you can't know how it will be rigged and which contestant will win at the end. The match could be rigged to let the favorite win more easily for example.

[harizen]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Generally, sumo is not excluded in the long-time problem of rigged games. It really happened at all sports.

But for us gamblers, rigged or not, how can we determine who will be the winner at the end? There's no such thing as advantages here for us that don't directly have a connection underground. We need to pick one over one and the chance of winning is still the same like we are betting on a fair fight.

[mu_enrico]

I kinda agree on this Reddit discussion. It is said that a wrestler needs 8 wins in order to not getting demoted, so those who get 7 wins have ~75% win rate because they desperately want to win (about incentive). And those who already get 8 wins (and not aiming for the top) kinda laid back since why bother trying. This situation is like when a football team already wins the league, they will play youngsters and reserves, thus clubs that face relegation battle can have the advantage and win.

[ralle14]

Rigged or not I think you can still turn it in your favor as long as you follow the sumo scene long enough just like how other bettors strictly bet on their main sport.

I don't understand what you mean Wexnident, could you explain how you can take advantage from a match having chances of being rigged precisely? Even if you know that the match will be rigged you can't know how it will be rigged and which contestant will win at the end. The match could be rigged to let the favorite win more easily for example.

I think what he meant was looking for other details where you could get an edge and knowing the match could be rigged is one example. When someone says it's rigged there could be a chance that the line moves from one side to the other and that's one way to take advantage of the situation.

[danherbias07]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

What if it's also rigged the other way around? They may scatter the news that this player will try to lose the game but it's a strategy to put more bets on the other player for a higher profit.
It's still not in your favor if you are not part of the management of the player. They can always turn the tides if they see a chance for making money.
So no, I'll just stick with sports or games that has is not rigged. That way, I could also enjoy watching the game rather than regret betting for some game that is rigged and then rigged again. I will just feel bad for myself knowing it didn't go my way.

[Mauser]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

That is very interesting. I like freakconomics, they make good articles. Not really sure about the sumo betting market but we might be able to profit of it. This sounds like a strong bond between the athletes. Maybe the bookmaker already includes such tendencies into his odds, but still there should be some profit to be made. If the stronger sumo ringer let's the underdog win in the last match than we should be able to exploit. Has anyone bet in sumo fights on a crypto site?

[iTradeChips]

Your question is whether you will be able to be at an advantage if ever the games are rigged. Based on my research, it seems that some Sumo wrestlers themselves are the ones sending the match results via mobile phone and whoever has that information will be at an advantage. You see, this issue has been tackled way back in 2011 when three Sumo wrestlers admitted in public that they are sending rigged results using their mobile phones and has caused a national disappointment at the cost of the sport being tarnished. So I guess the government knows about it and has already been in the forefront of "cleaning" the sport from corruption.

Source - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/03/sumo-wrestlers-admit-fixing-matches

[TheNineClub]

I am not questioning if it is rigged, however, I am surprised as that really goes against the whole Japanese tradition and respect to sports in general. I know they are not above cheating in any regard, but still, it always seemed (and I think I watched somewhere where they talk about it) that they have the utmost respect to keeping sports as pure as possible. Oh well, modern times require modern solutions.

[madnessteat]

I was watching a documentary about sumo and it said that the Japanese tradition and ranking system have a strong influence on the sport. Also, sumo has a bit of a stage show in it. Therefore, I fully support the point of view that in this sport the victory can be negotiated in advance and given to whoever needs it.

[Reid]

I am not questioning if it is rigged, however, I am surprised as that really goes against the whole Japanese tradition and respect to sports in general. I know they are not above cheating in any regard, but still, it always seemed (and I think I watched somewhere where they talk about it) that they have the utmost respect to keeping sports as pure as possible. Oh well, modern times require modern solutions.

Indeed, respect and discipline. That's why it's not easy to believe this kind of rumor.
Well, if it's true it might just be in that circle of sports.
Use in our favor? Yes, but it requires the information. Where would we get it?
Many fake rumors out there and fake analysts could just be doing it for their own advantage. I wouldn't mind putting a little bet as long as the source is legitimate.
I will just think of it as a strategy of the wrestler to avoid fighting the stronger one in rankings. Perhaps that's the real reason behind it.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Not just Sumo betting but every fighting game in that context can be rigged. Hell, are these even sports anymore or just money-making rigs? MMA/Boxing is also a money-making machine for the fighters and bettors. The only way to make profits from it is to understand the trend and figure out what fighter will be paid more to lose. Analysing the skills or predicting the outcome in terms of statistics isn't enough or relevant anymore.

[magneto]

That would just be completely stupid.

I actually remember reading freakonomics and Sumo being rigged as one of the subject matters that came up. But what makes you think that you are the one with the secret to betting in a rigged market?

The fact that a select few have insider information into the outcome of matches already mean that you are playing the game at a disadvantage - odds on the correct outcome are going to be artificially reduced given the knowledge that certain people have of the outcome. That significantly reduces your EV and your likelihood of winning in the long run.

[Saint-loup]

That would just be completely stupid.

I actually remember reading freakonomics and Sumo being rigged as one of the subject matters that came up. But what makes you think that you are the one with the secret to betting in a rigged market?

The fact that a select few have insider information into the outcome of matches already mean that you are playing the game at a disadvantage - odds on the correct outcome are going to be artificially reduced given the knowledge that certain people have of the outcome. That significantly reduces your EV and your likelihood of winning in the long run.

It could be significant at mutual sportsbooks, but I'm not sure odds drastically change on regular sportsbooks for rigged games. Usually they keep their odds near the implied probability they already evaluated themselves and if they see unusual or unexpected betting behaviors they suspend or close the bets.

[Fundamentals Of]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Yes, but only if you know who's going to be declared the winner. Most of the time, these rigged matches are only agreed within a very small circle. Seldom do we see them leaked. Those which are spreading around claiming to have an inside reliable informant are 99% scam.

I always thought that the sumo sports is considered almost sacred in Japan that it is being practiced with all honesty. If this news is true then it is already losing its preserved culturally revered value.

[acener]

You could only make profit from rigged sports by luck or knowing who would actually win before the match even started.
But I do feel that more sports are actually rigged it is just hard to see.
Who knows maybe the small errors or mistakes that they do in sports are actually their way of throwing it but I could also be wrong after all we are just humans which tends to have some error or mistakes.

[iTradeChips]

You could only make profit from rigged sports by luck or knowing who would actually win before the match even started.
But I do feel that more sports are actually rigged it is just hard to see.
Who knows maybe the small errors or mistakes that they do in sports are actually their way of throwing it but I could also be wrong after all we are just humans which tends to have some error or mistakes.

In the case of the Sumo wrestlers, it would be obvious if someone played half-heartedly and lost, especially in a contact sport, fans will be able to spot differences in the performance of the player who deliberately lost the game. For team matches, even one player can spell the difference for a team winning or losing, and the rest won't even know that a deal was made. If it is an error in performance and not a deliberate cheat, then we are all good at that since the issue is player performance not cheating the game.

[7788bitcoin]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

In my opinion most of the sports taking place in Japan will be rigged as i have heard that most of the gambling is controlled by the underworld and i have heard multiple interviews from athletes that how they were approached by these people when they were competing in Japan. I have not wagged a bet in Sumo as i have not seen any gambling sites allowing these bets.
If you know any sites that accepts sumo gambling i would like to know.

[goinmerry]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

How can we know in the first place that the game will be rigged? Bets are placed prior to the game. No advantage to us average gamblers.

Back on the topic about sumo, it's been a talk for a long time that there are irregularities in sumo. We can say that there are rigged games but as per the rumor it was for the benefit for both parties if you know what I mean.

[YOSHIE]

Sumo player sport in japan is a sport specifically for adults, sumo game participants have a monthly income exceeding $ 25,000 per month, they are the most influential and respected people in Japan, it's for a game that is quite professional, you definitely know what kind of sumo game wins and loses, the opponent's feet just a little out of the arena is guaranteed to lose.

For that if you talk about the game sumo can be cheated, of course it is a secret for both opponents in the betting agreement, I do not want to say it could be cheating or otherwise maintain the reputation of winning.

Which I often find the words of the sumo bettor as below.

Win-lose data suggests “quid-pro-quo agreement: you let me win today, when I really need a win, and I'll let you win another time.”

Of course it was said with full consideration on the grounds that they both know it, you yourself understand the word above its purpose.

[ReiMomo]

I guess, if you have connections with the people who control the rigging and handles the wrestlers well, that is the only option to have the rigging be in your favor. Besides that, I don’t think there are other options and all of them are gambling still.
Rigging already started in the 1950s, and as far as I can remember, it was horse racings that were fixed before. But these principles still can be applied today.

But someone rigging the game doesn’t mean that people can’t win, they can still win and they will win. But yes, if you don’t have connections it’s just all based on pure lucks. But that is how gambling works right?

[death69]

We can't benefit ourselves with these results. And because they are rigged, the information must be spreaded and noticed by the sportbooks and they will not let the odds being too attractive. Maybe in some occasions, we can transform the private information to our own advantage but it is unlikely to happen all the time

IMO, I have not interest in Sumo even though it is one of the most cultural sport on the planet

[madnessteat]

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On the contrary, I don't recognise the kind of fights like wrestling or sumo. In my opinion, real fights should be spectacular because of the fierce rivalry between the fighters, not staged shows in which a weaker fighter can defeat a stronger one. I would never bet on sumo.

[justdimin]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

What I am going to say might offend some people, my apologies to anyone who might be hurt but I am just sharing my own perspective.

I gamble a lot on cricket and often times I feel like some of the leagues have a few matches rigged like the IPL where a certain team like Mumbai Indians would go down the table but everyone knows they will win the last 5-6 matches of their group stage to make it to the finals/semis and what I do is I analyze which team is more likely to win based on my theory "no team will get eliminated early neither any team will qualify early". In simple words, a team winning too much is likely to lose their next game.

So I would take advantage in such a way, this theory does work for me but I am not saying that I am 100% right all of the time. It just helps me take better decisions instead of random ones.

I am not saying IPL is rigged or anything like that. I am just putting my own perspective and how I gamble.

[dothebeats]

If you have the insider information then perhaps you can turn this into a profit. But if not then it will still be very difficult to make something out of it since you have zero knowledge of what's happening in the background.

There are tons of leagues that have blatant throws and insider betting that have been discovered in recent times yet you won't even know whether or not these leagues are legit considering that the outcomes of matches are always smooth that it's as if nothing fishy happened.

If you're really interested on making money in betting sumo matches, make sure to get some friends on high places—preferably those close to the honchos of the league—and seek for their "help" in exchange of favors.

[bitzizzix]

Yes, after I researched the world of sumo in Japan, it is very dirty and full of scandals, starting from the involvement of the Japanese mafia yakuza, gambling, to who wins who loses can be arranged.
And with the many cases and scandals happening in the Japanese sumo world today, especially the case of losing win arrangements, now many members of Japanese society do not believe in the results of the current sumo championships in Japan.
Even though I never bet on a sumo match but this case will tarnish its reputation and will make people happier watching it than betting.

[Smartprofit]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Yes, if there is a manipulation factor in the game, then theoretically an outside observer has the ability to reveal the essence of this manipulation and make a profit. 

However, this requires a very clear understanding of who benefits from this manipulation.  To do this, you need to be well versed in how sumo tournaments are held.  Such analysis can be a very lucrative form of human endeavor. 

The profit can be very significant.  Insider information is a very valuable resource that can be freely transformed into cash.

[Insanerman]

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I never really considered betting on sumo wresting as I know that those fighters work for organizations or Mafias which is apparently common in Japan and therefore it can possibly be rigged sometimes. I mean if even NBA can be rigged, how come that this sport cannot? Apparently, if you know the background of each fight or was onto knowing which organization the fighters were from, then you can or should consider it in your betting, but the profit remains a 50-50 odd. Nonetheless, if I were to be asked, I wouldn't really suggest other sumo watchers to bet if they wouldn't spend time knowing the person they will bet.

[Fortify]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

I remember reading Freakonomics and the reference to sumo wrestlers. It is very ironic that a game so steeped in history and claiming to be all about honor would work in such a way. I guess, as that book noted, it was inevitable from the way the sport is structured - a very tight knit community that is hard to break into without a certain training background. It seems akin to the highest level members only golf clubs that exist all around the world and require certain invitations, even approval from all existing members, before a new member can be admitted. Except that gamblers will be losing money unless they have the right inside knowledge. It is still a rather obscure sport without much betting activity outside of Japan, probably for this very reason.

[BITCOIN4X]

It is still a rather obscure sport without much betting activity outside of Japan, probably for this very reason.

Manipulation in sports may not only happen to Sumo, but I am sure many other sports have also stumbled on similar case such as football. I personally never once bet on Sumo and cheating in this sport has escaped my sight. Perhaps because Sumo is not very popular among the non-Japanese population, it is still unlikely that it will have much effect on our gambling activities even if it seem that it is manipulated.

[sunsilk]

I know that Japanese are one of the most honest people in the world and it's part of their culture. But there really is the chance that a sumo game can be rigged but talking as if I'm sure of it, I can't stand with that as I have never bet with any sumo match.

By the way, in which common sports book we can see sumo wrestling matches to bet on?

They are honest people but in sports like this, rigging is always possible.
We don't know the combination of people involved in this sport, and there will always be a bad apple in the group.
Haven't really followed this sport, so maybe if you are familiar with the players and how they perform, you can spot if something is wrong with the match.

I agree that there would still be people that would stain the good reputation of any sports. As long as there's money involved, there would be some bad intentions that will be made just to make the most of out it whether it would be from the wrestlers or the management itself.

As for the catching if there's something wrong, let's just leave it to those that have been watching sumo wrestling for a long time and they might not be an expert to say but at least they know how to spot it on.

[adzino]

Nothing to be surprise about to be honest. Every sports and games are sometimes rigged. Money can buy anything. Even professional players can fall into the hands of greed.
After all they all are human and to err is human, right?

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Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
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You can make profit from it if you are involved with one of those people that are rigging the games or have some kind of information from the inside (which is very unlikely for ordinary people like us). Or you may just get really lucky and win it.

[madnessteat]

usually this kind of fights are more on exhibitions and me as a childish person i loved it hehe but i noticed that mature people like my dad and uncle will favor real fights (ufc and boxing ) and not wrestling or sumo  .

Yeah, it's probably an age thing. When one gets older, one stops liking shows and wants something more serious. Although it's been many years since I've watched wrestling, oddly enough I still remember some of the fighters, such as Hulk Hogan, Sting and Rey Mysterio.

Unlike wrestling I never had any interest in sumo so I don't know any of the fighters.  

[Darker45]

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

However, the main issue is whether these rumors of arranged or rigged fights are true. Most often, rumors such as this are spread by a losing party or those who interpreted their losses differently but without basis.

[Betwrong]

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Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
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Yep, that's possible, and I don't mean for those who are rigging the games themselves, but it's possible even for us, regular gamblers. How? We should avoid betting on events we know can be rigged, that's how. It's a known scheme used by various crooks: they make us believe we can benefit from their fraud. Don't fall for that!

[goinmerry]

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

Agree with this as mentioned, there are sumo wrestlers that need to stay or remain on their respective tier whatever the odds.

We, as average gamblers here, will never know if a game will be rigged so by analyzing a pattern (of course only on the suspected rigged games) we can somehow pick a good choice. That was still a tough part.

Good thing I don't need to put myself on that analysis as I never experienced betting in Sumo and I think I neverwill.

[Twentyonepaylots]

It can still be profitable if that's the case. Just pick which games and matches you wanna bet on that will at least give you the semblance that there's no foul play going on. You could always obviously see when the game is rigged anyway by observing the subtle behaviors and mannerisms dropped by each competitor. Use it to your advantage, and win games even when the odds are stacked against you.

[milewilda]

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

Agree with this as mentioned, there are sumo wrestlers that need to stay or remain on their respective tier whatever the odds.

We, as average gamblers here, will never know if a game will be rigged so by analyzing a pattern (of course only on the suspected rigged games) we can somehow pick a good choice. That was still a tough part.

Good thing I don't need to put myself on that analysis as I never experienced betting in Sumo and I think I neverwill.

Would really be just normal for us not to bet into a particular sport or event that doesnt interest us because i dont see the point on why we would do so.
When it comes to rigging off games then it is really hard to determine until it is busted this is why we cant definitely tell if a game is rigged or not.
Making profits with it would be still hard because no one can even tell which one is a legit game or a rigged one.

[Fundamentals Of]

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

Good thing I don't need to put myself on that analysis as I never experienced betting in Sumo and I think I neverwill.

I also don't bet on sumo that is why this news does not bother me at all, although I watched short documentaries on this one being treated seriously in Japan. Even the process of young males wishing to become a sumo wrestlers is not easy. They have to undergo hard trainings and strict lifestyle and high intake of carbs. That is why this kind of news will not only destroy the reputation of sumo leagues but also the entire sumo culture.

[avikz]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

[zanezane]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

If people knows a thing or two about integrity then fixing games is not going to be a problem but knowing human behavior that wants to have more than the other humans, virtues isn't going to be a deterrent to them, and they will still do the rigging. That is a difficult thing to happen, to find a connection in the rigging circles means you are an important person in the surface or the underground because only the people at the upper ranks engage in rigging.

[imstillthebest]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.
While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

we cant confirm if no games are not rigged if they wont expose it like sumo did and if all games are rigged why there are games that are smooth ,
 we dont notice anything wrong with them and we even place a bet on this games but once we noticed something that is wrong and we confirm that the game is rigged we must stop betting ln them .
we should only support fair games because rigged games are not good for the betting and sports industry .

[Vaskiy]

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

[dunfida]

usually this kind of fights are more on exhibitions and me as a childish person i loved it hehe but i noticed that mature people like my dad and uncle will favor real fights (ufc and boxing ) and not wrestling or sumo  .

Yeah, it's probably an age thing. When one gets older, one stops liking shows and wants something more serious. Although it's been many years since I've watched wrestling, oddly enough I still remember some of the fighters, such as Hulk Hogan, Sting and Rey Mysterio.

Unlike wrestling I never had any interest in sumo so I don't know any of the fighters.  

it could be so, the wins and losses of each fighter have been planned.  not much different like WWF or WWE battles they only pretend to fight but every punch and kick they make turns out not to hit the target at all

But knowing this early on is impossible and as a bettor you wouldnt know if a certain game is rigged or not.So no one can really tell and its really hard so better to avoid sports
which you doesnt even like to look upon or does interest you even with big leagues these kind of rigging games does really happen but pointing or
seeing it out is really a tough one.

[Saint-loup]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

I don't get it. According to you all individual sports where you contest against another participant  in heads to heads are rigged? That means tennis for example is a rigged sport too according to you? I'm sorry but I think you are wrong, Sumo wrestling is a very special sport, with a very closed environment, anyone can't become a sumo wrestler if he wants to, only few strangers are allowed to become sumo wrestler and they are mostly asian.

[tabas]

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

It's gambling so we need luck. But if you're sure that the game is rigged and you've got the signal who's going to win, who needs luck if you're sure that the game will have its winner as said by the management who rigged the game.
And in this sumo game, it's odd to see that games can be rigged or we're not just used to watch it because not all casinos got sumo books.

[DU18]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

I don't get it. According to you all individual sports where you contest against another participant  in heads to heads are rigged? That means tennis for example is a rigged sport too according to you? I'm sorry but I think you are wrong, Sumo wrestling is a very special sport, with a very closed environment, anyone can't become a sumo wrestler if he wants to, only few strangers are allowed to become sumo wrestler and they are mostly asian.

Sumo is a Japanese national sport and sumo athletes are respected people in Japan, but if you follow the current development of sumo, it is certainly very different from sumo which was once considered sacred, right as said by the OP, now sumo has been infiltrated by mafia (yakuza ) to arrange win or lose in a sumo match and this happens because there are so many sumo supporters who dare to bet large amounts of money to win or lose the match, and like other sports, individual sports are currently not free from cheating (match fixing), if you say tennis cannot be rigged, of course you are wrong, because match fixing scandals can occur even in tournaments like Wimbledon Grand Slam.
 If you don't believe it, please do a google search for the scandal made by Starace, Daniel Koellerer and other athletes.

[Saint-loup]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

I don't get it. According to you all individual sports where you contest against another participant  in heads to heads are rigged? That means tennis for example is a rigged sport too according to you? I'm sorry but I think you are wrong, Sumo wrestling is a very special sport, with a very closed environment, anyone can't become a sumo wrestler if he wants to, only few strangers are allowed to become sumo wrestler and they are mostly asian.

Sumo is a Japanese national sport and sumo athletes are respected people in Japan, but if you follow the current development of sumo, it is certainly very different from sumo which was once considered sacred, right as said by the OP, now sumo has been infiltrated by mafia (yakuza ) to arrange win or lose in a sumo match and this happens because there are so many sumo supporters who dare to bet large amounts of money to win or lose the match, and like other sports, individual sports are currently not free from cheating (match fixing), if you say tennis cannot be rigged, of course you are wrong, because match fixing scandals can occur even in tournaments like Wimbledon Grand Slam.
 If you don't believe it, please do a google search for the scandal made by Starace, Daniel Koellerer and other athletes.

I didn't say tennis cannot be rigged, I said tennis isn't a rigged sport because if it was rigged bookmakers would see it in their statistics and wouldn't offer to bet on it anymore like they did for sumo wrestling. I'm not sure the japanese mafia fix the matchs, because it's well monitored but I think all wrestlers know each other closely and sometimes decide the outcome of the fight between them.

[Fredomago]

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

It's gambling so we need luck. But if you're sure that the game is rigged and you've got the signal who's going to win, who needs luck if you're sure that the game will have its winner as said by the management who rigged the game.
And in this sumo game, it's odd to see that games can be rigged or we're not just used to watch it because not all casinos got sumo books.

Exactly! if you know that the game is rigged and you have that go signal from those who are rigging the game then who needs luck right?

In every sports this kind of activities are present, you just need to go deeper and know who are the people behind it to have a safer journey with your betting investment,

Rigth place and right people to work with, that's how you can take advantage from this business.

[michellee]

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

It's gambling so we need luck. But if you're sure that the game is rigged and you've got the signal who's going to win, who needs luck if you're sure that the game will have its winner as said by the management who rigged the game.
And in this sumo game, it's odd to see that games can be rigged or we're not just used to watch it because not all casinos got sumo books.

If that signal is valid, we can easily place the bet and select the right player. But unfortunately, that will not be easy to get the right information since many speculators will say that their choice will be the winner. Maybe the officials arrange who can win this season and who will be the winner for the next season because that can happen in any sports game. But yes, even if that sport getting rigged, we still need the luck to win because if we just that signal and place a big bet, we can have a chance to lose for some money.

[Oceat]

It can still be profitable if that's the case. Just pick which games and matches you wanna bet on that will at least give you the semblance that there's no foul play going on. You could always obviously see when the game is rigged anyway by observing the subtle behaviors and mannerisms dropped by each competitor. Use it to your advantage, and win games even when the odds are stacked against you.

Uhh... I think you can't do that on an ongoing match because I'm sure you are asked to place your bet first before each contestants fight in the ring. Even in other sports you can't guess that it's a rigged game until you notice some unusual behavior of each players towards the others. And I'm sure you already placed your bet before the fight started.

The only one who could ensure the price is the one that plans to rigged the whole game. It would take luck to win in this kind of game/sports but if you have someone from the inside that could tip you some information about of rigging the game, then consider yourself lucky.

[Joca97]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

First time i ever heard that you can bet on sumo . Wierd and to even rig it its insane. What sportsbooks offer this ?
Probobly only in japan or china this is available for betting.

[RealMalatesta]

if you know that the game is rigged and you have that go signal from those who are rigging the game then who needs luck right?

Yeah right but I would not do such things even if I know because in such cases where a game is rigged and later during enquiry they reveal then the bets are checked and unusual patterns are checked and then they trace the bettors. In case of crypto maybe you can get away because of the decentralized and anonymous nature of Bitcoins but still why take so much risks a few hundred bucks? Because no site will allow you to bet massive on unknown or small level events that are more prone to fixing.

In every sports this kind of activities are present, you just need to go deeper and know who are the people behind it to have a safer journey with your betting investment

Mate, are you seriously saying that one should do deep with fixing and all? I mean one can be jailed and penalized for such things because match-fixing is not a small offense.

[Rengga Jati]

and what if the match turns out to be just a setting to attract the audience? Indeed, we cannot escape if Sumo is one of the most popular matches and is used as a gambling game. However, this will not apply to those who do know about the fraud. And will there always be cheating in every match? Are all matches just fake spectacle?
Haha
Btw, I am not a fan of sumo match or even going to bet this.  But I am quite curious

[magneto]

That would just be completely stupid.

I actually remember reading freakonomics and Sumo being rigged as one of the subject matters that came up. But what makes you think that you are the one with the secret to betting in a rigged market?

The fact that a select few have insider information into the outcome of matches already mean that you are playing the game at a disadvantage - odds on the correct outcome are going to be artificially reduced given the knowledge that certain people have of the outcome. That significantly reduces your EV and your likelihood of winning in the long run.

It could be significant at mutual sportsbooks, but I'm not sure odds drastically change on regular sportsbooks for rigged games. Usually they keep their odds near the implied probability they already evaluated themselves and if they see unusual or unexpected betting behaviors they suspend or close the bets.

This makes absolutely zero sense.

If mutual sportsbooks or betting exchanges have their odds moved, then don't you think that other betting market makers (regular sportsbooks) would also change their odds to reflect the market price?

If not, then arbitrageurs would come in and arbitrage the situation such that the odds on the two markets even out somewhat.

The point is that regardless of where you're betting, a retail sportsbook or a sporting exchange, you're going to incur a substantial amount of negative EV if you bet on any rigged event without the insider knowledge.

[Saint-loup]

That would just be completely stupid.

I actually remember reading freakonomics and Sumo being rigged as one of the subject matters that came up. But what makes you think that you are the one with the secret to betting in a rigged market?

The fact that a select few have insider information into the outcome of matches already mean that you are playing the game at a disadvantage - odds on the correct outcome are going to be artificially reduced given the knowledge that certain people have of the outcome. That significantly reduces your EV and your likelihood of winning in the long run.

It could be significant at mutual sportsbooks, but I'm not sure odds drastically change on regular sportsbooks for rigged games. Usually they keep their odds near the implied probability they already evaluated themselves and if they see unusual or unexpected betting behaviors they suspend or close the bets.

This makes absolutely zero sense.

If mutual sportsbooks or betting exchanges have their odds moved, then don't you think that other betting market makers (regular sportsbooks) would also change their odds to reflect the market price?

If not, then arbitrageurs would come in and arbitrage the situation such that the odds on the two markets even out somewhat.

The point is that regardless of where you're betting, a retail sportsbook or a sporting exchange, you're going to incur a substantial amount of negative EV if you bet on any rigged event without the insider knowledge.

Have you often observed that personally? What you are saying seems to be purely theoretical, in reality if you look at mutual sportsbooks like freebitcoin or betting exchanges like betfair you will find big differences with other sportsbooks very oftentimes. IMO regular sportsbooks don't care of the odds on those sportsbooks, otherwise they could be manipulated by whales operating there.
Moreover cheaters have no interest to bet on mutual sportsbooks because they will lower the odds if they bet big amounts of money on one outcome.

[Betwrong]

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

Well, you are not "doomed" actually. If there are only two possible outcomes, and you don't know which way the game is rigged, you can make a pick with your eyes closed and still have a 50/50 chance of winning. But then the game becomes purely luck-based, while normally sports betting is skill-based, at least partially. So, yeah, I would avoid betting on such events.

[peter0425]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Japanese is one of the most trusted people in terms of Credibility , I don't know what is that articles motive but Sumo wrestling stands for the whole japanese community and not just for sports world .
so i believe that this wont be rigged as they will stand for what they believe is true.

[tomahawk9]

i'm a total noob in Sumo betting, but i've tried it a few times last year when there was literally nothing to bet on as most sporting events where cancelled, and honestly, i liked it, pretty chill type of restling, would definitely throw lunch money in some matches again

But it never occured to me that there could be some matchfixing involved as I know how strict japanese laws are (even their culture doesn't strike me as the type that would try this in such a traditional sport) and didn't think ppl would take the risk to try matchfixing, hell, betting in Japan is banned, so... Huh, i know a few Sumo related forums, but i may have to dig a little deeper online and see what i can find about rigged sumo matches, maybe there's an active sumo betting underworld somewhere in the depths of tokyo? sounds like it could be a fun journey (:

You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

you mean wrong people? cos the people doing this are crooks and will get you in troubles 

[michellee]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Japanese is one of the most trusted people in terms of Credibility , I don't know what is that articles motive but Sumo wrestling stands for the whole japanese community and not just for sports world .
so i believe that this wont be rigged as they will stand for what they believe is true.

Japanese is one of the countries who really strict with loyalty and honor, so if the sport is getting rigged by some people or officials and the officer or the authorities found that thing, maybe they will investigate deeper to search who is behind it. They will punish that corrupt official and will not tolerate it. Sumo is their sport and popular in Japan, so we do not know if Sumo is getting rigged or not.

[Obito]

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

If the cheating/rigging in the matches are too ingrained and the players already know their roles then probably luck isn't needed to win in this match since we know that there is already a fixed winner in the match and knowing who will win is a big advantage, that's why people rig games because they know how profitable and how easy it is.

[Fredomago]

In every sports this kind of activities are present, you just need to go deeper and know who are the people behind it to have a safer journey with your betting investment

Mate, are you seriously saying that one should do deep with fixing and all? I mean one can be jailed and penalized for such things because match-fixing is not a small offense.

Sorry my bad mate, I understand your point legally and it's really a big offense once you've been caught doing this. Best not to engage with any kind of this activities.

If you don't have that nerve and you are not willing to take the big risk best to play and enjoy whatever sports you choose, your engagements and experienced will guide you up know how to control and balance everything.

Again, there's no good in participating with such kind of underground things inside sports gambling, the risk is far higher than

ordinary gamble, you only think with your money and nothing else.

[Betwrong]

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You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

you mean wrong people? cos the people doing this are crooks and will get you in troubles 

That's a good observation. Indeed, in the course of our discussion we are forgetting one very important thing: those people are outlaws. If you win money with their help, it's not the end of story for you, it never is. By doing business with them you become kind of tied up with them, and getting rid of them can be much more difficult than it seems.

It's better lose your bet because the game was rigged than win it "benefiting" from such contacts.

[Saint-loup]

i'm a total noob in Sumo betting, but i've tried it a few times last year when there was literally nothing to bet on as most sporting events where cancelled, and honestly, i liked it, pretty chill type of restling, would definitely throw lunch money in some matches again

But it never occured to me that there could be some matchfixing involved as I know how strict japanese laws are (even their culture doesn't strike me as the type that would try this in such a traditional sport) and didn't think ppl would take the risk to try matchfixing, hell, betting in Japan is banned, so... Huh, i know a few Sumo related forums, but i may have to dig a little deeper online and see what i can find about rigged sumo matches, maybe there's an active sumo betting underworld somewhere in the depths of tokyo? sounds like it could be a fun journey (:

You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

you mean wrong people? cos the people doing this are crooks and will get you in troubles  

That's a really good news tomahawk9!  Please tell us which sportsbook did you use please, because nobody knows one sportsbook offering markets on this sport since many years and many of us would be glad to be able to bet on sumo wrestling matches and to follow the championship. Did your sportsbook offer live streams of the fights too?

[rhomelmabini]

Might be profitable to those who knew what it could be rigged or those who knew where to bet. Never been into this kind of betting but I think it's much of a theory as well with what others seems to think on other sports event.

[swogerino]

Every sport can be rigged and let me give you the best example in the world.Some years ago in World Cup or Euro don't remember well there were in the same group Italy,Sweden and Denmark.The destiny wanted that if Denmark and Sweden ended in a draw with some goals they would both qualify and Italy would have been eliminated.

Guess what,the game between Denmark vs Sweden ended 2-2 and the odd for a draw was the lowest in history at 1.75 at that time.

[Saint-loup]

Japanese is one of the most trusted people in terms of Credibility , I don't know what is that articles motive but Sumo wrestling stands for the whole japanese community and not just for sports world .
so i believe that this wont be rigged as they will stand for what they believe is true.

Don't tell BS bro, japanese mafia exists and is well known all over the world, everybody has ever heard of the famous Yakuza. There is mafia and criminality in Japan like in every country, japanese people are humans and are not above the other human beings, you shouldn't sanctify them like that IMO. Sumo wrestling is a well known rigged sport, every punter know it and that's why sportsbooks don't offer markets on sumo tournaments since many years. It's a small and closed universe where only few new fighters can enter, mostly japanese or asian, all fighters know each other very well and are close friends.

[Betwrong]

Every sport can be rigged and let me give you the best example in the world.Some years ago in World Cup or Euro don't remember well there were in the same group Italy,Sweden and Denmark.The destiny wanted that if Denmark and Sweden ended in a draw with some goals they would both qualify and Italy would have been eliminated.

Guess what,the game between Denmark vs Sweden ended 2-2 and the odd for a draw was the lowest in history at 1.75 at that time.

But I wouldn't call that particular game rigged, tbh. Normally in a rigged game the final outcome is unexpected. That's why they rig them: to win with high odds. In the game between Denmark vs Sweden the outcome was pretty predictable. No wonder the odds were 1.75 for a draw.

[Cling18]

I know that Japanese are one of the most honest people in the world and it's part of their culture. But there really is the chance that a sumo game can be rigged but talking as if I'm sure of it, I can't stand with that as I have never bet with any sumo match.

By the way, in which common sports book we can see sumo wrestling matches to bet on?

They are honest people but in sports like this, rigging is always possible.
We don't know the combination of people involved in this sport, and there will always be a bad apple in the group.
Haven't really followed this sport, so maybe if you are familiar with the players and how they perform, you can spot if something is wrong with the match.

Yes, that could actually happen in any sports regardless of their culture unless you know completely how the Sumo players move in every match. It's fun to watch Sumo but always expect that there are chances of rigging the match. We should keep in mind that some players and members of the organization just focus on money.

[goinmerry]

Yes, that could actually happen in any sports regardless of their culture unless you know completely how the Sumo players move in every match.

Rigged or not, bettors don't even know if a certain match will be rigged. Therefore, it doesn't really matter if it's rigged or not since gamblers still have to choose on what to bet prior to the match. Now, in an event that a gambler loses and thinks that it was rigged then they can either, play the next bet by choosing not because of their favorites or totally stopped betting on that event.

It can also apply to other sports as there is no way a regular audience/gambler will know if a certain game will be rigged or not. As always, just ride and go with the flow.

[Hamphser]

Yes, that could actually happen in any sports regardless of their culture unless you know completely how the Sumo players move in every match.

Rigged or not, bettors don't even know if a certain match will be rigged. Therefore, it doesn't really matter if it's rigged or not since gamblers still have to choose on what to bet prior to the match. Now, in an event that a gambler loses and thinks that it was rigged then they can either, play the next bet by choosing not because of their favorites or totally stopped betting on that event.

It can also apply to other sports as there is no way a regular audience/gambler will know if a certain game will be rigged or not. As always, just ride and go with the flow.

This is actually true unless if you do have insider info then you would surely be aware on whats happening on the game and since its rigged then you can really take advantage on it but

if you are just a simple bettor on a typical day without knowing anything then you would definitely not able to find out if the game was rigged or not but only after the game has ended or ongoing

then you are the ones who could really judge off for yourself if it was fixed or not but chances to be known is not really that precise.

[hahay]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

[Betwrong]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.

[iv4n]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.

As always, it's about the money! If a player can earn more with cheating (a lot more) he will probably go that way! Especially if a player has a big need for money (loans, huge bills, health issues, or some other situation that needs a lot of money to be taken care of), and he knows that he can't earn that money on a regular and honest way!

Is Sumo rigged?
In 2000, in both speeches and a tell-all book, former wrestler Keisuke Itai stated that up to 80% of sumo bouts were fixed. In 2007, Shūkan Gendai reported that yokozuna Asashōryū had been paying wrestlers to throw matches to him.

This topic reminded me of something I read recently! The yakuza members are no longer welcome at Sumo games! They are not allowed to participate in any way, and to even be at the tournaments!

The yakuza are no longer welcome at tournaments - and surveillance cameras are being used to try to keep them out of the audience.

But the damage to Japan's national sport has been done.

The article from 2010, check it out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11390278#:~:text=The%20yakuza%20are%20no%20longer,crime%2C%22%20says%20Jake%20Adelstein.

[Zilon]

In a tournament as this it takes years of studying the teams to know who would likely be favoured in big tournaments. I am not surprised if this kind of game would be rigged it's looking like a fight so staged to entertain it's audience and not necessarily to inflict injuries on it's participants. Before betting in a game of this kind I would do a top down analysis. Checking on past history the performances of each athletes and how long each has been in the tournament as well as who has fame and more fans. I think judging by this would give me a upper hand.

[Jackl87]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

Well if that is the case than i am not sure if this can be called rigging in the sense of outside interference and bribing? I mean it sounds more like a unwritten rule between the participants of the highest league that they just don't go all out against a opponent that might get relegated if they would lose that match. Of course that is still not a right thing to do but the reasons why they are doing it are not because of manipulation but because of traditions. If bettors know about this fact though than i think it is a good opportunity to place a bet their on the underdog, because it could give you some nice return.

[traderethereum]

In a tournament as this it takes years of studying the teams to know who would likely be favoured in big tournaments. I am not surprised if this kind of game would be rigged it's looking like a fight so staged to entertain it's audience and not necessarily to inflict injuries on it's participants. Before betting in a game of this kind I would do a top down analysis. Checking on past history the performances of each athletes and how long each has been in the tournament as well as who has fame and more fans. I think judging by this would give me a upper hand.

If that game is rigged, it is hard for us to analyze which team or the athlete can win, and even if we can get the right team or athlete, we will hard to win.
Maybe their reason for rigging the game is that they want to entertain the audience, but that is the wrong thing.
It will be hard for the team or player to conceive what they will get in the future if they are the rigging player for getting more money.
The audience will not accept that thing and maybe they will report that to the authorities, especially if they can get the proves.

[AicecreaME]

You can, if you know who rigged it and talk to them to be able to know who's gonna win the match for you to make profits, but if you don't know who and you don't have any connections inside, then probably you'll never make a profit on every match unless you're lucky enough to hit the right player to bet on. Gambling is already hard and rigging it will just make your winning chances go to zero percent.

[Taskford]

You can, if you know who rigged it and talk to them to be able to know who's gonna win the match for you to make profits, but if you don't know who and you don't have any connections inside, then probably you'll never make a profit on every match unless you're lucky enough to hit the right player to bet on. Gambling is already hard and rigging it will just make your winning chances go to zero percent.

You can't talk with officials if they are involves with this, the best solution if you know if someone running a competition like this is to avoid if you know they are rigged since its nonsense to bet on rigged sports and I'm sure many gamblers will not enjoy to see the result at the end of the fight.

[aioc]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Yes, of course, if you know who's going to win and who's going to lose in a game, he has a chance, to win big money, but make sure that all the information that he is receiving are all correct and coming from a reliable source, the worst thing that can happen is for you to pour a lot of money and end up losing because of unreliable information.

[kotajikikox]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

[AmoreJaz]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

maybe, just watch for entertainment purposes only. but not to the point of betting. because let's admit, this sports is fun to watch. so if you are not betting, you don't have to worry about possible rigging of the match. as you are just a viewer trying to enjoy watching the sports.
rigging will always be there, not only in this sports but all the other sports. as long as there are greedy individuals involved, rigging will exist.

[tabas]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

[Quidat]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

[Rengga Jati]

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maybe, just watch for entertainment purposes only. but not to the point of betting. because let's admit, this sports is fun to watch. so if you are not betting, you don't have to worry about possible rigging of the match. as you are just a viewer trying to enjoy watching the sports.
rigging will always be there, not only in this sports but all the other sports. as long as there are greedy individuals involved, rigging will exist.

That's should be. If we were once a fan of some sport, it may be hard not to watch it again although we are losing our respect for the sport. Although I don't also like this sport, I have such experienced it, in Badminton. Where really hate with the organization and also some cheating and also a game that is not fair and has indeed been set so that the organization or certain individuals will be a winner or loser for money. It's even very embarrassing ever (and may often happen). However, because it has already liked, sometimes we must pretend not to know the condition and keep watching it. But not by doing betting. Likewise with this sumo sport and maybe other sports. This condition will occur in every sports field.

[michellee]

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

We can not do anything except hate those who rigged the game, especially in basketball sports and we hope that the person who rigging can get caught and punish because of what he did. It is not easy to open the rigged games or investigate the sports that suspect getting rigged because those like an organization will hide the activity from anyone. We can do if we know about the rigged is report it to the authorities and ask them to investigate any possibility but make sure we can report to the clean officer, although that will also not be easy.

[tabas]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

[carlfebz2]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

Even if we do hate them, there nothing we can do because rigged games can only be known when its proven but if not then those would continue to happen.

Profit talking about rigged games is impossible because you dont know if its rigged or not and those information cant really be known easily
unless if youre part of a mafia then for sure you would know.

Lots of instances where calls of rigged games can be seen but nothing has been proven out.

[Betwrong]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.

As always, it's about the money! If a player can earn more with cheating (a lot more) he will probably go that way! ~

He will surely go the honest way in that case, without even considering cheating! If one is able to earn good money legally, it's pretty stupid  to put that ability at risk.

Especially if a player has a big need for money (loans, huge bills, health issues, or some other situation that needs a lot of money to be taken care of), and he knows that he can't earn that money on a regular and honest way!

I don't like to sound judgmental, but imo one can always find an excuse for illegal actions. Even putting the morality aside, engaging in illegal activity" is always bad for a person. Cheating may help you gain something short term, but the thing is that once you've started, you keep going that way, and in the long term it's always a disaster.

[btc78]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Sure? Japan allows this to happen? i believe that Japan is one of the most Honest government in the world(though of course there are still some crooks inside) but i don't expect that they will let the disrespect to their own game, their cultural and very own game will be rigged just like this.

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

if your conscience will allow you to feel not guilty then why not right?

[michellee]

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team.

That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.

[tabas]

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team.

That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

[uneng]

I always liked watching sumo fights very much and it is the first time I hear the results are rigged. Well, that is a pitty for sumo's organizers to let it happen for time enough to become a scandal involving at least dozens of wrestlers. With this, I believe they weak their traditions and lose respect from the public. Unfortunatelly from now on I'm going to watch sumo with other eyes.
And as the matches are rigged, it's not a good idea to bet on them, because even if you are a great enthusiast of the sport and know everything about it, your analysis about the athletes will be worthless, since their skills don't decide anything on the game.

[hahay]

I always liked watching sumo fights very much and it is the first time I hear the results are rigged. Well, that is a pitty for sumo's organizers to let it happen for time enough to become a scandal involving at least dozens of wrestlers. With this, I believe they weak their traditions and lose respect from the public. Unfortunatelly from now on I'm going to watch sumo with other eyes.
And as the matches are rigged, it's not a good idea to bet on them, because even if you are a great enthusiast of the sport and know everything about it, your analysis about the athletes will be worthless, since their skills don't decide anything on the game.

Agreed, it doesn't take any analysis to bet on any rigged matches, but if any of them like lucky bets then maybe betting on rigged matches can be a challenge for them. But unfortunately, gamblers will never know whether the match is rigged or not because there are no leaks regarding cases like this. So yeah, I think when a match is rigged it's not only detrimental to the wrestlers or the athletes involved, because at least everyone involved will get sanctioned and many of the gamblers lose money in cases like this.

[michellee]

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team.

That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

That is the best thing that we can do and not hate the organization which rigging the game. We do not have to think much about the rigging, as that can happen in other sports. If we do not like that, we can move to the other sports, but maybe we will see another rigging that can happen. It is better to enjoy the game and get the entertainment from the sports because if we think about the rigging, that will make us hard to enjoy.

[tabas]

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

That is the best thing that we can do and not hate the organization which rigging the game. We do not have to think much about the rigging, as that can happen in other sports. If we do not like that, we can move to the other sports, but maybe we will see another rigging that can happen. It is better to enjoy the game and get the entertainment from the sports because if we think about the rigging, that will make us hard to enjoy.

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

[tabas]

Right! if you don't feel the game then stop watching it or bet from it, you'll see that it won't change anything if you
are not enjoying whatever the outcome you still not  satisfied.

Better to find other sport that will let you enjoy and you'll not think that there's a rigging incident that's happening
behind you.

Yes, there's nothing going to change if you just stop watching it and you're not supporting it anymore. It's just part of us that when see a game that's being rigged, that's the first reaction that we'll have.
We're not contemplating it first and our emotions are the ones that becomes superior to us.

[Saint-loup]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210604-france-detains-russian-tennis-player-over-suspected-match-fixing

[rodskee]

When i was a child , I use to be scared in Sumo wrestler because of their Build , Huge Body with big tummy sometimes i am thinking that they are eating children 

Until in College that i start loving watching the competition specially when i found out about the World Wrestling Federation is scripted? I'm so disappointed but now knowing this that the event is rigged , I am feeling sad and will stop betting in this sport for a whiile.

[YuginKadoya]

I have once come across a post here about betting on WWE wrestling and everyone knows that it is a real deal rigged, but it is always fun to just bet it all out even though it is RIG you will never know who's really going to win unless the ones that are betting is the general manager or some officials that are directing and already know what will happen with the fights,

Well in my opinion Sumo Wrestling if it is really rigged and even though it is rigged you will never know the outcome of the fight, you can surely look at the pattern or the conclusion on what may happen I think rigged games like this is for entertainment purpose only if you want to bet on it because we the audience don't really know what may happen can sure bet on it, and there is always an advantage and a disadvantage when betting on rigged fight or game.

[michellee]

Still, enjoy every sumo games that you want to watch but if you're just putting a hate to the entire organization. It's hard to remove that unless you're not really enjoying it anymore.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.

That is the best thing that we can do and not hate the organization which rigging the game. We do not have to think much about the rigging, as that can happen in other sports. If we do not like that, we can move to the other sports, but maybe we will see another rigging that can happen. It is better to enjoy the game and get the entertainment from the sports because if we think about the rigging, that will make us hard to enjoy.

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

Yes, we can feel upset and maybe we will leave the games and not care about the result. But we can not do anything and we only hope that next time, there are no other rigging on the other sport. But the chances for us to know that the sports are rigged is too small as the people involved in that will not show to the public and will make sure people will not know about that. Maybe we only need to enjoy the games and if we want to bet, we can bet for small amounts and not have a big expectation from the sports.

[tabas]

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

Yes, we can feel upset and maybe we will leave the games and not care about the result. But we can not do anything and we only hope that next time, there are no other rigging on the other sport. But the chances for us to know that the sports are rigged is too small as the people involved in that will not show to the public and will make sure people will not know about that. Maybe we only need to enjoy the games and if we want to bet, we can bet for small amounts and not have a big expectation from the sports.

We will never know if there's a rigging happening in a sumo match until someone exposes it. And it is for every game or sport which has been said to have rigged games.
If you want to avoid such, just go elsewhere and only watch sumo matches if you feel uncomfortable. That's it and the only very little thing that you can do if you're truly upset with what you've known although it didn't happened to you.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.

I was not aware that a body is overlooking sports corruption and they caught her because there was a high level of betting activity taking place in her matches and they lost that match and this is the first time i am hearing about investigating teams monitoring all the sports activity but i doubt what evidence they will be able to provide in court.

We need to get rid of rigged sporting events as we are loosing huge amounts and that is a criminal offense to being with and these players who are proved to be helping to rig matches should be banned for life rather than giving them chances.

[Saint-loup]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.

I was not aware that a body is overlooking sports corruption and they caught her because there was a high level of betting activity taking place in her matches and they lost that match and this is the first time i am hearing about investigating teams monitoring all the sports activity but i doubt what evidence they will be able to provide in court.

We need to get rid of rigged sporting events as we are loosing huge amounts and that is a criminal offense to being with and these players who are proved to be helping to rig matches should be banned for life rather than giving them chances.

You must be a newbie in the gambling world if you have never heard about that. Of course there is a dedicated police in almost all countries which monitors betting markets and casino games to avoid fraud and rigged matchs or gambling games. But I don't think a player should be banned for life just because he voluntarily lost a game LOL When you bet there is always a part of uncertainty so you should take into account this risk.

[uneng]

Unfortunately Sumo wrestling is not the only real sport to be rigged   Even highly professional and monitored sports can be rigged as we have learnt today. Yana Sizikova has been arrested yesterday at the French Open Roland Garros and accused to have voluntarily lost a game on purpose during the last French Open Roland Garros in October 2020.

I was not aware that a body is overlooking sports corruption and they caught her because there was a high level of betting activity taking place in her matches and they lost that match and this is the first time i am hearing about investigating teams monitoring all the sports activity but i doubt what evidence they will be able to provide in court.

We need to get rid of rigged sporting events as we are loosing huge amounts and that is a criminal offense to being with and these players who are proved to be helping to rig matches should be banned for life rather than giving them chances.

You must be a newbie in the gambling world if you have never heard about that. Of course there is a dedicated police in almost all countries which monitors betting markets and casino games to avoid fraud and rigged matchs or gambling games. But I don't think a player should be banned for life just because he voluntarily lost a game LOL When you bet there is always a part of uncertainty so you should take into account this risk.

Naturally the player who loses a game voluntarily will have to be banned from professional championships because he won't entertain the public anymore, since his gameplay is faked. People like to watch athletes who give everything they have to show during a game. That is what makes the match competitive, unpredictable and fascinating. That is the basic of any sports.
The rigged game is tepid and emotionless. Consequently besides the public, sponsors will also fade away from the sport if cheater players aren't removed. And without sponsors there are no games.

[michellee]

If you're in the betting scene and you know that there's a rigging that happens, you'll feel upset and it's understandable that some puts hate to what they've watched.
But if you're just enjoying the show and you're really liking it. You don't have to hide your feelings of liking the matches that you've seen as you're not betting. That's it, if you don't like it, just stop watching it and move on.

Yes, we can feel upset and maybe we will leave the games and not care about the result. But we can not do anything and we only hope that next time, there are no other rigging on the other sport. But the chances for us to know that the sports are rigged is too small as the people involved in that will not show to the public and will make sure people will not know about that. Maybe we only need to enjoy the games and if we want to bet, we can bet for small amounts and not have a big expectation from the sports.

We will never know if there's a rigging happening in a sumo match until someone exposes it. And it is for every game or sport which has been said to have rigged games.
If you want to avoid such, just go elsewhere and only watch sumo matches if you feel uncomfortable. That's it and the only very little thing that you can do if you're truly upset with what you've known although it didn't happened to you.

Yeah, that is the point. We can enjoy the game without knowing the truth behind that sports. That sport will not look that it gets rigged because the player and all people involved in that sports look natural as the other sports.
So people will never think about the sports is getting rigged. People tend to enjoy the sumo and support their players, and some will bet on their players.

[Saint-loup]

When i was a child , I use to be scared in Sumo wrestler because of their Build , Huge Body with big tummy sometimes i am thinking that they are eating children 

Until in College that i start loving watching the competition specially when i found out about the World Wrestling Federation is scripted? I'm so disappointed but now knowing this that the event is rigged , I am feeling sad and will stop betting in this sport for a whiile.

You will stop betting on this sport for a while? On which sportsbook did you place your bets please, I'm interested. I don't know any bookmaker offering markets on this sport and nobody in this thread has been able to name any bookie offering them. Besides I'm little bit surprised you didn't realize till the college World Wrestling Federation was a scripted show lol, you were not a very clever student at school I guess, right? From which country are you?

[Betwrong]

When i was a child , I use to be scared in Sumo wrestler because of their Build , Huge Body with big tummy sometimes i am thinking that they are eating children  

Until in College that i start loving watching the competition specially when i found out about the World Wrestling Federation is scripted? I'm so disappointed but now knowing this that the event is rigged , I am feeling sad and will stop betting in this sport for a whiile.

You will stop betting on this sport for a while? On which sportsbook did you place your bets please, I'm interested. I don't know any bookmaker offering markets on this sport and nobody in this thread has been able to name any bookie offering them. Besides I'm little bit surprised you didn't realize till the college World Wrestling Federation was a scripted show lol, you were not a very clever student at school I guess, right? From which country are you?

I don't bet on sumo myself, but I read in this  article that at least in Japan they have platforms for that.  I think the reason why nobody in this thread was able to name one - we don't have many people from Japan on this forum, and those who are from Japan don't hang out in the gambling section.

Regarding the words by@rodskee about sumo being rigged, this conclusion should have not been made based on one event. One rigged game doesn't mean the whole sport is rigged the way World Wrestling Federation is scripted.

[Lorence.xD]

If you have an intimate knowledge regarding the rigging then probably you can make a profit out of it but if you just know that it is rigged and you have no way of knowing who will exactly win then it's not that profitable unless there's a pattern and you know how it works.

[Slow death]

if someone loves their money then that person will stay away from manipulated things, it is not possible for someone who does not know who will be the winner before the fight starts, even without knowing this information decide to place a bet, it is not possible to win a bet like that. in order for someone to have a chance to win a bet and the game needs to be proven to be fair, the game must be free from fraud and manipulation so that bettors have a chance to win. One of the things that makes me not bet on soccer in my country is precisely because in a given game the impression I have is that the game is being manipulated, the referee favors a certain team and in the end I get angry.

If you have an intimate knowledge regarding the rigging then probably you can make a profit out of it but if you just know that it is rigged and you have no way of knowing who will exactly win then it's not that profitable unless there's a pattern and you know how it works.

finding the pattern will be a difficult task, because the guys who manipulate do everything in their power so that people don't notice

[Lorence.xD]

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finding the pattern will be a difficult task, because the guys who manipulate do everything in their power so that people don't notice

If you are patient and smart enough to analyze the pattern that they move, I am sure that you will achieve what you aim to do so you can profit from rigged games.

[freedomgo]

It seems rigged but it's not really rigged because we don't have proof.

Only those rich bettors would get inside information if indeed it's rigged, but it will not be announced in the public as it will destroy the reputation of the sports or game. Lucky are those who have the knowledge as they can make an easy money, but like I said, you need to be rich as this info is not available for ordinary people.

[Betwrong]

It seems rigged but it's not really rigged because we don't have proof.

Only those rich bettors would get inside information if indeed it's rigged, but it will not be announced in the public as it will destroy the reputation of the sports or game. Lucky are those who have the knowledge as they can make an easy money, but like I said, you need to be rich as this info is not available for ordinary people.

Maybe it wasn't your intention, but you sound like rigging happens all the time and rich bettors take advantage from knowing some inside info. It could be the case in the past, like decades ago, but now game-rigging in sports happens very rare, especially on the high level. Some local, unknown to the rest of the world events can still be rigged, but the higher the level of the game, the less probability of it being rigged.