Bounty Campaign Manager needs to be evaluated and force to pay Hunters.

[Delightcrypto1]

Yes Bounty Campaign Managers needs to be evaluated and force to pay Hunters their reward before the end of any campaign. This I'd because most company usually run with bounty Hunter's reward and this is discouraging the hunters from participating in any campaign in our forum.
   Just recently same happen and still happening as I speak. We run a campaign for Bitcashpay company the CEO refuse to pay us our reward. He refuse to released spreadsheet and yet make false payment to some people and the token got disappeared. The name of the CEO is MR. FRED B. From Philippine. His Telegram Username; @crypt0kid22

 The BOUNTY telegram Group chart: @BCPbounty
Please I want him to be track down. The tokens is already listed in CMC, Coinegecko and so many other platform like uniswap but he refuse to pay. Please login to telegram group chat to make your confirmation.

[logfiles]

But there's already a solution. It's by joining that are being managed by trusted campaign managers or if the campaign manager is new/not trusted, they should use a trusted escrow to hold the funds for paying participants.

You people always ignore such and just apply for any bounty you come across.

[Delightcrypto1]

But there's already a solution. It's by joining that are being managed by trusted campaign managers or if the campaign manager is new/not trusted, they should use a trusted escrow to hold the funds for paying participants.

You people always ignore such and just apply for any bounty you come across.

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Please direct me on what to do so that I wouldn't fall a victim next time. A lot of people are really suffering for this. I have experience this several time. So what's the functions of the escrow, where do I get it and how to use it. Direct me

[Rikafip]

Please direct me on what to do so that I wouldn't fall a victim next time. A lot of people are really suffering for this. I have experience this several time. So what's the functions of the escrow, where do I get it and how to use it. Direct me

It's not your job to find escrow, but to only join bounty campaign whose funds are escrowed, meaning that tokens/coins/whatever are held by trusted 3rd party (so neither altcoin project or bounty manager) and that way payment is secured. But having bounty funds escrowed is not foolproof either as there were cases where altcoin projects simply issued new ones, making escrowed altcoins worthless.

Thing is, campaigns like that are extremely rare, and that would probably mean you would join few at best in a whole year, so an average bounty hunter ends up joining almost anything, hoping that it won't get screwed but more often than not it ends up like in your case.

[YOSHIE]

OP, what you need to know is that in this forum in the event of embezzlement or fraud by the Bounty manager, no one can guarantee for bounty hunters, Managers and tokens can get justice here: (scams are not moderated on this forum) bounty hunters risk all of that.

Hence, it is the aim of the other members who advise the manager for newbie accounts managing Bounty campaigns to use escrow, to guarantee payment of tokens to bounty hunters.

So, my advice to the OP, in the future if you are promoting the Bounty campaign try to choose a manager who has a good reputation in this forum, the aim is to get justice for all of you for the bounty hunters, in this case you are experiencing, we can not do much, apart from marking the manager with red confidence for now.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I can also advise you to leave this venture of participating in all sorts of bounty altogether. Before you begin to understand how good the project is and how honest the company will be, you will get a lot of frustration. Since 90% of all rewards end up being scams. Listen to the advice of those who tried to follow your path and subsequently regretted the lost time. Start learning bitcoin, write on the forum, communicate, create sensible posts. Thus, you will raise yourself in rank, and in the future, you will be able to participate in the signature of companies where respected managers work and make payments in bitcoin.

[Saisher]

Yes Bounty Campaign Managers needs to be evaluated and force to pay Hunters their reward before the end of any campaign. This I'd because most company usually run with bounty Hunter's reward and this is discouraging the hunters from participating in any campaign in our forum.

Are you sure with what you are asking to, imagine bounty manager getting a few hundreds of dollars and the allocation for the rewards is hundreds of thousands worth of tokens you mean you are asking bounty manager to pay bounty hunters all the promised tokens, do your own research no one force you to participate in any campaign, I have been to shit campaigns but I have not force managers to pay me.

[yahoo62278]

Bounty hunters need to join bounties with the mindset that they are taking a chance they will not be paid. Not all companies escrow anything, and sometimes the tokens aren't available at the start of the bounty. Even reputable managers have no control sometimes. I know the argument of if they won't escrow don't open the bounty for them will come up, but the bounty will be ran regardless of reputable or non reputable manager. I think most managers try to get a company to escrow, but sometimes it just doesn't happen.

The best defense for bounty hunters is exactly what others are saying here, do not join a bounty that has nothing escrowed. Then you are not disappointed by not being paid.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The best defense for bounty hunters is exactly what others are saying here, do not join a bounty that has nothing escrowed. Then you are not disappointed by not being paid.

Oh, if only people followed that advice it would force project owners to either pay their bounty hunters in bitcoin or escrow the payout tokens (or bitcoin) in advance.  But we all know most bounty hunters are risk takers and also trust these project owners way too much.  I agree that this problem has nothing to do with whoever is running the bounty--the bounty manager is basically a middleman between the bounty hunters and whoever's supposed to pay them.

This has happened often enough that people should be very wary of which bounties they sign up for, but apparently they're not.  If you're willing to do all that work up front for some token that might be worthless once it starts trading, you're probably desperate for money and will take any "job" that pops up here.  That's been my impression of bounty hunters for a long time--desperate and also greedy, since there's so much abuse going on in these things.

Please I want him to be track down.

Good luck with that.  I doubt it's going to happen, because I've never seen anyone force any of these assholes to pay up like they should have.

[coin-investor]

Yes Bounty Campaign Managers needs to be evaluated and force to pay Hunters their reward before the end of any campaign. This I'd because most company usually run with bounty Hunter's reward and this is discouraging the hunters from participating in any campaign in our forum.
   Just recently same happen and still happening as I speak. We run a campaign for Bitcashpay company the CEO refuse to pay us our reward. He refuse to released spreadsheet and yet make false payment to some people and the token got disappeared. The name of the CEO is MR. FRED B. From Philippine. His Telegram Username; @crypt0kid22

 The BOUNTY telegram Group chart: @BCPbounty
Please I want him to be track down. The tokens is already listed in CMC, Coinegecko and so many other platform like uniswap but he refuse to pay. Please login to telegram group chat to make your confirmation.

I know what it's like not to get paid after your hard work I have experienced that so many times in the past, if the bounty manager is an independent one and is not part of the team I don't think he can pay all bounty hunters if the token is not in his hands or escrowed, the best that you can do is to open a scam accusations about the project and to make investors aware of the bad reputation of the developers, and only join bounty where the token is escrowed.

[btcltcdigger]

@crypt0kid22

This should already be enough to get a red flag. No self respecting CEO would use a TG handle like that. It's probably a rugpull project or a blatant scam.

[stomachgrowls]

But there's already a solution. It's by joining that are being managed by trusted campaign managers or if the campaign manager is new/not trusted, they should use a trusted escrow to hold the funds for paying participants.

You people always ignore such and just apply for any bounty you come across.

They dont do their assignments before joining up a bounty even though it is a slim chance on getting some good hit on potential projects since majority of projects now are shit and not really worth for the time and effort
but surprisingly there are still people who do accept it out and join even its a bit of a gamble.

When a certain project doesnt have the plans on paying up its participants since from the start then expect those red flags that you would notice out along the way.
Better stick into known managers of this forum even though its not an assurance but at least youre confident that those project handled
are already been evaluated by them.

Managers are just handling out the bounty but in terms of payments they arent the responsible ones unless if the BM is part of the team itself.

[savetheFORUM]

People suggesting the coins should be escrowed, please read this thread once because even when the coins were escrowed, the scam took place. I was trying to explain the same point there but I was misunderstood as if I wanted the manager to pay the participants from his pocket, which wasn't my intention at all.

Honestly it's the mistake of the manager according to me if they escrowed the coins but were not actually in control of it. I won't speak on this topic though because people there believe I am trying to make CB pay participants.

Check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338454.0

[GeorgeJohn]

If actually what you said is true, that means the bounty campaign manager who is in charge of such particular campaign have a bad reputation, this complain by this user have to follow with precaution, because it's very bad to hire participants for a work and after working you embezzle their funds it's absolutely unacceptable, i also think that forum forbid such altitude, because an seeing this as indirect scamming, which is bad.

From the aspect of op, if i may ask, for how long this work has be done, and if this report is made because of the token has been announced to list in any blockchain as per say by op, and they has been accomplish or done over a year or two years now, that means this report have to be invalid, this is my personal opinion.

[Pmalek]

Honestly it's the mistake of the manager according to me if they escrowed the coins but were not actually in control of it.

The whole point of an escrow is to be in control of someone else's money and be the bridge between two parties that don't trust each other. If he isn't in control, he isn't the escrow.
It was George Carlin (RIP) who said that the government doesn't want a free-thinking state, they want obedient workers. The same thing can be applied to the bounty industry. Scams happen because the participants of such campaigns allow it to happen. It might sound severe, but it's true. If bounty hunters stopped participating in dubious projects, there would be no one (or a small minority) to scam. Since that is never going to happen, scam projects will keep evolving and keep scamming the same groups of people.      

[savetheFORUM]

Honestly it's the mistake of the manager according to me if they escrowed the coins but were not actually in control of it.

The whole point of an escrow is to be in control of someone else's money and be the bridge between two parties that don't trust each other. If he isn't in control, he isn't the escrow.
It was George Carlin (RIP) who said that the government doesn't want a free-thinking state, they want obedient workers. The same thing can be applied to the bounty industry. Scams happen because the participants of such campaigns allow it to happen. It might sound severe, but it's true. If bounty hunters stopped participating in dubious projects, there would be no one (or a small minority) to scam. Since that is never going to happen, scam projects will keep evolving and keep scamming the same groups of people.      

You don't understand the point here, I will try and explain again

The participants made no mistake I think because they participated in a campaign managed by CB who is one of the better campaign managers here and the coins were under CB, at least that's the way it looked until the coins were taken back from the manager via some tricks in the contract.

How would the participants know there is a problem if CB being the manager doesn't? I mean the participants believed what CB said. I am not criticizing CB either because no one can read the smart contract to know the hidden problems. But in hindsight it simply means the escrow was never in control of the coins while it was suggested that he was.

[The Cryptovator]

I second that as @yahoo62278 said. It's quite impossible to escrow funds for ICO/IEO bounty campaigns. Escrow fund should be in BTC or an established altcoin. Escrow ICO token just useless anyway. If the team wants to cheat then simply they can do it. I don't think a team will escrow that huge amount of funds since they are stage to raising funds. So most probably there is no real solution. We can make many suggestions, but it's hard to apply. What we can do if the team manages the bounty campaign themselves? It will not make any difference for the team if they hire a newbie manager. Because a hunter is a hunter, no doubts they will participate belong to any manager either reputed or spammers. Forcing the team and tagging them wouldn't help if they don't care about forum reputation.

If any project scams bounty hunters, then run an anti-campaign against the project and spread the FUD since they scam you. Write to all exchanges they are listed in. Then the team would learn if they really want to exist their token in the market.

[savetheFORUM]

I second that as @yahoo62278 said. It's quite impossible to escrow funds for ICO/IEO bounty campaigns. Escrow fund should be in BTC or an established altcoin. Escrow ICO token just useless anyway. If the team wants to cheat then simply they can do it. I don't think a team will escrow that huge amount of funds since they are stage to raising funds. So most probably there is no real solution. We can make many suggestions, but it's hard to apply. What we can do if the team manages the bounty campaign themselves? It will not make any difference for the team if they hire a newbie manager. Because a hunter is a hunter, no doubts they will participate belong to any manager either reputed or spammers. Forcing the team and tagging them wouldn't help if they don't care about forum reputation.

Full agreed with this. Once the bounty is over they can get their BTC back once participants confirm they have got the promised tokens.

If any project scams bounty hunters, then run an anti-campaign against the project and spread the FUD since they scam you. Write to all exchanges they are listed in. Then the team would learn if they really want to exist their token in the market.

Not sure this will work because such tokens who are scamming participants must be listed at mostly paid exchanges and those won't care but I agree people should be allowed to undo all the work they did and create FUD around the project if they so wish to do.

[Kittygalore]

The money isn't handled by the bounty manager, I think that's how it works so how can they pay the hunters with the money that they don't have? I do agree that we should evaluate the capabilities of a manager but if they already have the portfolio to prove their success, I think that there is no need for an evaluation.

[cheezcarls]

For now, it’s hard to determine whether that project is a scam or not (there are others who are doing the unexpected) and bounty managers cannot control it. It’s much better if the tokens are escrowed (only with those bounty managers that are having good reputation, record and experience), as there are instances of some projects who are creating nonsense reasons in not paying the bounty hunters (or just paying less than what we have expected).

Mostly we could blame projects who aren’t paying bounty hunters for their time and efforts. However, as bounty hunters, we must always acknowledge the risks that we are taking in spending our time and effort for participating in their campaigns as there are no guarantees.

It’s my mentality that no bounty campaign has guarantees of paying us, but I took the risks. While others are exit scamming and fooling bounty hunters, others are paying.