What Would Be Your Reason to Leave Bitcointalk?

[LoyceV]

I have yet to meet anyone who has ever heard of this place in the real world.

One word: privacy! I wouldn't tell anyone IRL I use Bitcointalk.

[Rikafip]

I have yet to meet anyone who has ever heard of this place in the real world.

One word: privacy! I wouldn't tell anyone IRL I use Bitcointalk.

You don't have to tell them your username and problem solved.

All my IRL friends that are into crypto know that I am active on bitcointalk as I tried to "recruit" them, but I shared my username only with the few closest ones that I know for like 30 years. Unfortunately, I wasn't successful at all in my attempts to bring few crypto enthusiast here that I think would be a good addition, and some were active long time ago but have no intention to come back ever again, for various reasons.

[OgNasty]

I have yet to meet anyone who has ever heard of this place in the real world.

You don't have to tell them your username and problem solved.

All my IRL friends that are into crypto know that I am active on bitcointalk as I tried to "recruit" them, but I shared my username only with the few closest ones that I know for like 30 years. Unfortunately, I wasn't successful at all in my attempts to bring few crypto enthusiast here that I think would be a good addition, and some were active long time ago but have no intention to come back ever again, for various reasons.

This has been my experience as well. I’ve tried to get acquaintances to participate here and learn about Bitcoin. They all pretty much go through the same pattern. They join and try to learn. Their questions are usually met with snarky responses so they attempt to offer goods or services that they provide for dollars that they are familiar with, get called attempted scammers and harassed, then never come back. I’ve watched this happen so many times. Lauda and Vod alone are probably responsible for chasing away thousands of potential contributors here over the years. It’s crazy to see the moves made to empower users who literally go around trolling contributors here. It’s like we’re actively trying to maintain a good old boys club to be a echo chamber of yes men around those who are failing us all.

[James Watson]

In my lifetime, I should not leave this forum, because I like to communicate with some friends in this forum, collide with ideas, and get some useful knowledge. Actually, I came to this forum not to make money. I want to learn some interesting encryption knowledge from it, and hope that this forum will exist for a long time, because there are too many treasures waiting for us newcomers to discover.

[Laudanum]

 
Bitcointalk simply doesnt provide incentive for people to bother with it now for varying reasons.

That's because new users don't want to put in any effort and want to go straight to picking the apples from the highest branches. It doesn't work like that in life or on the forum. You want your rewards, do the work just like everyone else.

Speaking like someone who had a merit giveaway thread (that died do to inactivity) and I am currently posting riddles where I ask Newbies, Jr., and Members to solve them in exchange for some merits for the best answers and the possibility to learn something, my opinion about those lower ranks is that many don't deserve the effort. Some do, but most don't. When there is an initiative to help them, they couldn't care to take part, when there isn't, they complain why there isn't one.    

 
Primarily this is financial but also even in terms of being an information source.

I guess it depends on what kind of information you are looking for. I find Bitcointalk useful for finding out everything new that is happening around Bitcoin. Since I don't care about alts, ICOs, DeFi, and stuff like that, I don't go looking for news about that. There are also many local forums here that keep you informed about what is going on in your region. I find that very useful.  

 
Merit killed bitcointalk because the only thing bitcointalk offered over reddit or any other crypto related platform was the ability to earn.

You can still do that. Just look at all the signatures underneath the profiles. All of them are paid. You just have to make an effort to be accepted in a campaign.

 
Once the centralized self serving merit system was implemented it destroyed the feeling of opportunity and free speech for most new members.

As long as free speech doesn't go against the forum rules, nothing is stopping you from speaking your mind. The fact that you are not banned and still posting, shows the forum has free speech.  

 
There are now zero outstanding characters here, good or bad (.. well maybe 2 or 3 exceptions so not zero). Just a bland bunch of non achieving low level grifters and their ass munchers. I mean I often read the board but nothing happens or is said that is even interesting in a bad way.

That's the way you see it and I am not going to try and change your mind. Why don't you take part in a civilized discussion about Bitcoin or the technology for once? I don't think I have ever seen a post of yours that isn't negative.

This may sound like a hostile reply but it seeks only the truth.


Ah the standard chipmixer spammers reply...  works fine for me because I can spam chipmixer.

Here are some questions and challenges for you  the answers to which will demonstrate you're talking rubbish.

1. Read this thread and then try to debunk it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

This thread is actually understating the damage of merit since merit was not at that point directly being conflated with trust.

2. Find a post made by myself or any of my alleged alts that was ever conclusively debunked or seriously challenged that relates to the obviously undeniable independently verifiable and insoluble problems with the current merit and trust control systems and their direct impact upon free speech here. I mean a ban is not the only threat that can create an echo chamber. But threats of banning have been issued to people before.

The joke is that simply presenting independently verifiable truths will get you slathered in bogus red tags from chipmixer spammers who wish to protect their merit and trust cartel that allows them to cream off the higher paying sig spots.

3. If you have been here since may 13 and are not wealthy enough to allow someone else a chance with chipmixer ? What does that say about you?  If you are not a multi millionaire, that demonstrates terrible judgement or if you are already superwealthy then it is extreme greed to deprive others of a sig spot.


4. It is untrue that you need to break the rules to be banned or threatened with a ban.
I notice TOAA documented all of its deleted posts and then challenged anyone to present a solid argument as to why they were deleted.
The mods ran off and when they did try to provide an explanation it was immediately debunked and shown to be bogus.
These kinds of bogus metrics can be used as a weapon to propose a ban.

Telling inconvenient truths or even presenting indisputable evidence of scamming or scam facilitating by DT or others can get you tagged and banned. They will get you tagged for sure.

The forum is toxic at its core. People will not be part of a system where scammers are able to punish whistleblowers and this is supported by admin who join in and support the scammers against their whistleblowers.


The truth is the truth. It can never be negative. The truth needs to be accepted and then the appropriate solutions need to be implemented.
Relating unpopular truths is the most positive thing one can do for this forum.

Lack of fair playing field in terms of earnings or even being able to reveal independently verifiable truths or evidence without punishment are 2 key reasons some will leave.

Of course becoming wealthy will bring more opportunities into range that take up time.

But it's a spiral.  One of the most interesting members was banned, people that I notice seemed to post directly in response to him then didnt bother posting. People that came to read their interactions and join in now and then didnt post much.
The less interesting and enjoyable content to read the less you visit.

There a numerous reasons some of which were beyond the forums control that lead to its demise but merit was the cancer especially when it was conflated with trust that polluted its core and made it toxic.

It really doesnt matter much because bitcoin and crypto in general have outgrown bct.
Bct did its job great, so what happens to bct now is of small import.

It is useful for perhaps very technical discussions but how many of the 200 or 300 online are super eggheads and boffins and how many are chipmixer sig spammers regurgitating each others comments over and over to max their posting payouts is anyone's guess.

Bitcointalk shouldn't be judged on what it has become now. It should be admired as the birth place of bitcoin, alts and quite possibly the largest paradigm shift in many peoples lifetimes. Finding bct was the best thing that happened to many people myself included.
So we must all be grateful for bct and the job it has done to foster the adoption of bct and alts.

I see a few bad eggs spoiled the recent years but they were just capitalizing on some poorly conceived and implemented attempts to prevent spam.

I do believe a smarter control for the bots and spammers would have seen bct grow and harness the energy from all those that will spend hours and hours even if they have little natural ability or creativity for 50 bucks...without letting their negative side infiltrate those that want to contribute quality and reasonable value.

The issue we have now is that alts have noticed bct is dead and no longer launching here.

There isn't really much point to fighting over how the left over scraps of bct turn out.

Perhaps it should gradually aim to forget "size" or number or posters and focus on becoming a tight knit technical community that purely encourages egg heads and boffins. Cut back more to the valuable hardcore and any projects that spring from that.

In that case just delete all sigs and see what real enthusiasts remain.

[Pmalek]

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I lost interest in your post as soon as I saw the words "debunk" and "verifiable truths". I have seen it dozens of times already. I also didn't read the thread you linked to. I am not interested in the quarrels you have with other forum members nor do I take part in dramas and conflicts. If you want to talk Bitcoin, there are appropriate boards for that. Keep me out of stuff that don't concern me. No one forces you to be here if you hate every single aspect of this forum. 

[Laudanum]

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I lost interest in your post as soon as I saw the words "debunk" and "verifiable truths". I have seen it dozens of times already. I also didn't read the thread you linked to. I am not interested in the quarrels you have with other forum members nor do I take part in dramas and conflicts. If you want to talk Bitcoin, there are appropriate boards for that. Keep me out of stuff that don't concern me. No one forces you to be here if you hate every single aspect of this forum.  

Cut the excuses. The merit / trust  system has driven many away that could have been retained and been useful.

Just say that you want to run away.

Lol at telling me how negative and terrible my posts have all been,   but now don't dare to transparently analyse them publicly and find out there is not one core point that I have made that is anything but the raw and unpopular truth.

I'm a huge fan of bct and what it has achieved all things considered. Of course it isn't anywhere near what it once was.

Keep yourself out of drama by confining your posts to things that are demonstrably true and avoid posting bogus and misleading garbage in response to my undeniable and independently verifiable truths.

[StanleyBoyle]

I haven't thought about leaving for the time being. If there is a reason, it may be that I am no longer in the encryption world. The only reason why the forum attracts me is that the precipitated content is very precious. Many of the posts I have read are from a long time ago. This is the biggest advantage of the forum.

[aoluain]

My reason to leave the forum by choice would coincide with my decision to become a recluse,
to withdraw from society and become self suficient, lead a simple life and escape the pressures
of life and the consumer type society.

or if the membership or activity became so low that there was very little conversing happening.
 

[RickDeckard]

Cut the excuses. The merit / trust  system has driven many away that could have been retained and been useful.

I would really like to know how the case study behind that assumption, just out of curiosity. The merit / trust systems should not influence if a user uses more or it doesn't use the forum - most of the time they reflect a users personality - those that have good intentions, good personality and an overall positive atitude towards helping others - and they end up being rewarded with either merit, trust, or both. Also, a member can still post freely even with the merit / trust system, they aren't blocked from posting anywhere - as long as it's not spam / low content / goes against the rules. If they ended up leaving it wasn't for sure due to the trust / merit system.

Keep yourself out of drama by confining your posts to things that are demonstrably true and avoid posting bogus and misleading garbage in response to my undeniable and independently verifiable truths.

You can have all the reason in the world, but if you enter with that kind of stance in discussions - "Everything I say is true and undoubted and undeniable" - you'll loose your reasoning in no time. You seem to have a "beef" with someone or something, but you should let that kind of judgment cloud your mind to the point that you refuse to hear anyone else. If you have reasons to believe that you've dealt with injustice, gather up your evidence and open a report on the rightful thread.

[Pmalek]

You seem to have a "beef" with someone or something, but you should let that kind of judgment cloud your mind to the point that you refuse to hear anyone else. If you have reasons to believe that you've dealt with injustice, gather up your evidence and open a report on the rightful thread.

Don't encourage him.

Some people just have to hate everything, you can't help them. It seems that he finally left. He hasn't been around for a few weeks, but he will be back. When he comes back and starts posting from this or a new account, you will recognize him with help of keywords such as "truth", "verifiable", "undeniable", and similar. You can't miss it. It's always a wall off text attacking the forum's admins, DT members, the trust, or merit system.

[zanezane]

I haven't thought about leaving for the time being. If there is a reason, it may be that I am no longer in the encryption world. The only reason why the forum attracts me is that the precipitated content is very precious. Many of the posts I have read are from a long time ago. This is the biggest advantage of the forum.

Are you sure it's not because you can also earn money here through signature campaigns that you're not yet leaving the forum? I am not gonna that's part of why I don't leave and the other is that it helps me with investment strategies so when I eventually go away, I would still get something out of it. Plus, there's a lot of unforeseen events that might lead to a permanent absence in the forum but I do hope that it's not a life threatening thing.

[Findingnemo]

Only if I banned or due to age factor and family responsibilities but both these things are less likely to happen so I will stay here as long as the forum is active and the discussion is going on related to cryptos.

Another one reason I may leave the entire crypto is only if the bitcoin reaches zero and no one is ready to use it anymore.

[Imran232]

I can't exactly what would be that reason. Because i have knowledge about my future then i could be change it too.

I don't know about that but from all this option it could be happen anything :
-If i got permanent ban.
-Death.
-If i started a business and i do not have much time to spend on forum.
-If i lost my this account.

Or there might be some reason but now i can think anything what type of reason it could be. But i wish didn't have to leave bitcointalk. Because i want to stay with bitcoim till my last day and if i want to then i need news, people’s opinion and many expertise research and where i will get this obviously in bitcointalk then how can i leave bitcointk?.

[Zedpastin]

-If i started a business and i do not have much time to spend on forum.

Why would you not accept Bitcoin if you make a new business? It would be with your best interests right?

[RickDeckard]

You seem to have a "beef" with someone or something, but you should let that kind of judgment cloud your mind to the point that you refuse to hear anyone else. If you have reasons to believe that you've dealt with injustice, gather up your evidence and open a report on the rightful thread.

Don't encourage him.

Some people just have to hate everything, you can't help them. It seems that he finally left. He hasn't been around for a few weeks, but he will be back. When he comes back and starts posting from this or a new account, you will recognize him with help of keywords such as "truth", "verifiable", "undeniable", and similar. You can't miss it. It's always a wall off text attacking the forum's admins, DT members, the trust, or merit system.

Yeah sorry about that Pmalek. Thing is these kind of arguments that he gave and especially the way that he said them just triggers something in me mostly because people can't have that attitude in life. But yeah, at least one good thing is that he keeps is way of thinking and wording consistent, so I'm sure it will be easily spotted if he ends up bringing back another account or coming back. I wonder, did he left because of the merit / Trust system? 

[eddie13]

Merit killed bitcointalk because the only thing bitcointalk offered over reddit or any other crypto related platform was the ability to earn.

I'm not going to address most of what you said as I disagree, and its not entirely on topic. However, I think the statement above is, and you might actually be right. Okay, it most certainly didn't kill Bitcointalk, however I do believe it killed of a sub culture of the forum, which was account farming. Either for selling forum accounts or for participating in signature campaigns. Merit practically killed that culture off, because now it actually requires some effort, which not surprisingly a lot of users here aren't willing to put the effort in to reap the rewards.

There's definitely characters within the community that are still here, but maybe not in the most popular sections. I won't deny that we've definitely lost a lot of characters over the years, for better or worse. However, that's just how life is, and how other forums operate too.

Should never have put the temporary illusion of safety above personal liberty..
ie tagging and chasing away “likely scammers” and crushing the unique economic dynamic of account sales..

This forum started acting like protecting idiots is more important than letting users express their free wills..


How many countless good and intelligent users have been chased away because they “might” scam..

A new startup can’t come here and start a signature campaign for example without completely being bullied into “trusting” some escrow they have probably never heard of, so heaven forbid they couldn’t possibly scam some users willing to take the risk..

A new user can hardly post anything for sale here without being bullied into some 3rd party “idiot protection” scheme because OMG they might try to scam you..

A new user here can’t start lending on any sort of collateral because holy shot they might scam the collateral..

All new economics here CRUSHED by regulatory bullying in the name of “protecting idiots”...



You know what was great times here?
When I could lend against accounts collateral, with a signed staked address, having the signature state the contract clearly, and either profit on my loan or profit on the sale of the foreclosed account..
And y’all had to fuck that all up..
Heaven forbid one of the full member accounts I legitimately acquired and sold might scam some complete idiot..
I even started paying for signatures to advertise my business with my profits..

I’m glad y’all saved sooooo many imbeciles from getting “scammed” by shutting that entire thriving economy down..

Oh right, the morons probably just threw their (saved from scam) money at one of the great 2017 ICOs instead..
I’m sure their filthy rich now thanks to all that saving grace..

“Campaign/bounty managers”, oh those valiant pillars of our community, surely made their cuts off the countless ICO scams and casinos designed from the start to suck up every Satoshi they can..
What heroes..
So trustworthy..

These “managers” are held in such high regard, yet never deemed responsible for their outcomes, of the biggest scams and suctions of satoshis this forum has ever seen..
Yet on they go, and nobody will speak a word against them in fear they will be ostracized by them from getting their own chance to earn a couple satoshis advertising the next big Satoshi suck on offer..


You would NEVER have needed the “merit system” if you would have listened to what I have been saying for YEARS!!! YEARS!!
Quit swatting the spammer flies and take your fight directly the these shit “managers” and “companies/projects” that pay for the shit in the first place, causing its existence..

Nope.. Y’all too scared you won’t get your next chance at a paid signature, so you run around DOING THEIR JOBS FOR THEM and acting like you are so great for “busting spammers”, lowlife nobody shitposters, FOR the shit “managers”, while you suck up to them so you can get YOUR next shot at YOUR next paid signature..

“Look at meeee!!! I busted 20 alt accounts getting paid to spam this advertisement!! Aren’t I amazing!!!??!!”

Not impressive at all..
You should have wrecked that manager and the representatives of that project FOR employing all those shitposters, and just ignored all of those worthless dime a dozen spam accounts..
Oh no, but then that manager or project might not have hired YOU in the future.. Can’t do that eh?

Just bully all newbs instead of battling the sources..
Pays in plenty of merits now too.. Keep catching them alts!! Fast track to DT1 being the heaviest handed regulatory fist against the little guy you can.. Go get that status!


I see more positive trust left for the destruction of economics than I do for the participation in it..
“Such a great alt buster! So many tag!+++”

You didn’t really accomplish shit.. 1,000 more spring up for every 100 you slap down, with unknown collateral damage of good users, while the sources of the problems asses are kissed clean..

I could say a thousand more things about the hypocracy and misdirection of those appearing to be in “leadership” positions around here..

Not much more than a popularity contest for the eyes of those who sign those signature transactions..


Down she goes!!


Think you guys can come up with any more ideas (like the merit system), that target all the low hanging symptoms of the problems, but yet simultaneously absolves all the sources of the problems from any guilt whatsoever?
Ready to hear your bright ideas of what more regulation you can impose next..

P.S.
BTW..
I have more respect for Cryptohunter than I do for half of the current DT..
He is much more of a “true legend” than half of these newb fucks who can’t rub 2 satoshis together, but yet choose to spend their time virtue signaling chasing merits, rather than actually doing something productive that might net them some of their very own satoshis some day..

Too bad CH called out the almighty Lauda making himself the enemy of every coattail rider near and far..

Don’t respond to that “troll” newbs..
That “troll” has been around the block 21 times before you even got off the tit, and you won’t even know it because you don’t know, but everyone else that has wondered around the block a time or two knows that he absolutely destroys you with occulted (purposefully hidden) facts more times than not, and you don’t even know to know it..

[Pmalek]

Why would you not accept Bitcoin if you make a new business? It would be with your best interests right?

I guess it depends on where the user is located. Accepting bitcoin in a country where hardly anyone uses it compared to one that is considered to be a crypto haven would bring totally different results and adoption rates. It would also depend on what kind of business he is looking to start. If the userbase is mostly people aged 50 or above, they aren't as likely to adopt a new payment method compared to those aged 30 or less who are looking to purchase some IT hardware. There is also the setup process, which isn't as complicated as people think, but it might still intimidate some.   

[Rikafip]

-If i started a business and i do not have much time to spend on forum.

Why would you not accept Bitcoin if you make a new business? It would be with your best interests right?

And where exactly he wrote that he wouldn't accept bitcoin if he started his business? How you even came to that conclusion?

You might wanna read the first post of this topic and @Imran232 again and you will realize that your question doesn't make sense.

[Shamm]

Bitcointalk has seen many of its old-timers leave and never return to the forum again. There are many reasons why people make such decisions. Still, dissatisfaction with something that happened on the site could be one reason to give up on it.

Forums as mediums for discussions aren’t as popular among the new generations any more. Social media and platforms like Discord or Telegram have significant communities nowadays. But forums still have their charms. And Bitcointalk will always have historical relevance as the place where it all begun.

A study conducted in 2019 shows Americans prefer to use discussion forums in search of reliable information. 88% of all respondents replied that they are members of online platforms. 72% believe that forums share much more trustworthy and reliable information compared to social media.

With all this in mind, I have created a poll. I am interested in finding out the reasons you would decide to leave Bitcointalk and never return here again. You can vote for more than one of the given options. 5 votes per user is the maximum.

The reason why I leave bitcointalk is my age getting old, because age  matters on how we did in our daily life when a person reach 80+ years old some of them experience common illness like Blurred in sight , dementia and being deaf.
But when I am still healthy and young there's no reason I leave bitcointalk.