The Downfall of TSLA

[Cryptoking1205]

The fact TSLA is valued more then all the auto manufactures combined is absurd. You're naive to think big auto is just going to sit on the sidelines. Big auto has the infrastructure and production lines to mass produce fully electric vehicles for a fraction of the cost of a TSLA, something TSLA will never be able do. Ford is already leading the charge with the F-150 Lightning and converting old factories into fully electric vehicle production plants. TSLA is just as overhyped as Elon Musk.

[Hydrogen]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.



They claim gains of 5 times the energy, 18% gains in range and 6 times the power. Not to mention gains in manufacturing efficiency and lower cost production.

They plan to license this technology to other automakers in the future. The way that nintendo licensed old cartridge technology over existing technology like CDs/DVDs to earn an extra profit.

Anyways, if someone wanted to claim tesla stock is overvalued, this might be one good place to start.

[MrPB3N]

They claim gains of 5 times the energy, 18% gains in range and 6 times the power. Not to mention gains in manufacturing efficiency and lower cost production.

They plan to license this technology to other automakers in the future. The way that nintendo licensed old cartridge technology over existing technology like CDs/DVDs to earn an extra profit.

Anyways, if someone wanted to claim tesla stock is overvalued, this might be one good place to start.

This is a great example for why TSLA should not be valued as simply just a car manufacturer.

[Obito]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.



They claim gains of 5 times the energy, 18% gains in range and 6 times the power. Not to mention gains in manufacturing efficiency and lower cost production.

They plan to license this technology to other automakers in the future. The way that nintendo licensed old cartridge technology over existing technology like CDs/DVDs to earn an extra profit.

Anyways, if someone wanted to claim tesla stock is overvalued, this might be one good place to start.

This new battery could be a big step in energy storage aspect of our civilization because we lack innovation in that part and I think that if this is a successful product, pretty sure it will make the value of Tesla go up, I think that if we want to make some money in the future, I am pretty sure that Tesla can be a part of that.

[DigitalFox]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.

Tesla constantly unveils their plans for this and that, yet many of these projects later prove themselves to be unsustainable.

[semobo]

Tesla is getting bigger and bigger just with their idea but yet to deliver the actual products to the customers. Probably in future all these people will realize that they are investing on an overhyped share, but now they are the bigger electric cars and with the word electric cars are the future they are keeping them in the leading position but in the next 10 years we will see every car manufacturers will be doing the same.

[amishmanish]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.

Tesla constantly unveils their plans for this and that, yet many of these projects later prove themselves to be unsustainable.

You cannot say that. The existing Tesla models have had several groundbreaking innovations. The Induction motor that the Tesla's use, the cooling pumps, battery management system are all systems that have not been seen before at such scale.

Couple this with the battery tech update shared by Hydrogen, it is easy to see where Tesla, the company gets its value from. Now about TSLA, the stock, that is up to the market to decide. One thing is clear that the sort of P/E ratios have never been seen before with such a huge company. Its downfall can't really be due to its fundamentals as a tech giant, but probably due to Musk's irrational behavior since he has linked, then de-linked, then again liked Tesla with Bitcoin.

[DigitalFox]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.

Tesla constantly unveils their plans for this and that, yet many of these projects later prove themselves to be unsustainable.

You cannot say that. The existing Tesla models have had several groundbreaking innovations. The Induction motor that the Tesla's use, the cooling pumps, battery management system are all systems that have not been seen before at such scale.

Tesla uses both magnetic and asynchronic (not sure about spelling) motors depending on the model (3 is magnetic, Y is asynchronic, for example). None of the motors themselves are ground braking innovations though cooling technologies Tesla develops are quite modern. BMS... nothing really new there, from what we saw. Do you know why other manufacturers don't use asynchronic motors in their cars? The answer is simple, these cost way more than a magnetic motor.
Having said all that I'm not arguing about Tesla cars as a whole, they are very good and I wouldn't mind buying one for personal use. But my previous post's point was different. I meant things like Hyperloop, Power wall etc. 

[NeuroticFish]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.
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Anyways, if someone wanted to claim tesla stock is overvalued, this might be one good place to start.

This is a good start indeed.
Many traders "buy the rumors" and "sell the news" and don't care much how true will these rumors prove to be as long as they get to earn a quick buck.
Elon knows all this and therefore knows how to feed them with the rumors they want to hear so the TSLA bubble stays inflated.

I've said already that Tesla is a over-hyped auto-maker wannabe. As long as they earn more from green certificates and Bitcoin than from building and selling cars I cannot rank them as proper automaker.
If they will come with a proper breakthrough, if they invent a much better (and also cheap enough) battery, then they'll have my praise. But not before. Not for rumors.

[Mauser]

The fact TSLA is valued more then all the auto manufactures combined is absurd. You're naive to think big auto is just going to sit on the sidelines. Big auto has the infrastructure and production lines to mass produce fully electric vehicles for a fraction of the cost of a TSLA, something TSLA will never be able do. Ford is already leading the charge with the F-150 Lightning and converting old factories into fully electric vehicle production plants. TSLA is just as overhyped as Elon Musk.

I agree with you, the value of Tesla is too high in my opinion. The whole hype is based around Elon Musk and after the last few weeks I think we all realised that he can't be trusted anymore.  How can you change your mind about bitcoins so quickly? The argument that the mining process is bad for the environment is false, all currencies cost money to create and support, it is not only Bitcoins. So by misusing his Twitter account he stopped whole crypto hype with a few tweets. We all should stop believing in Elon Musk.

[DooMAD]

Apparently they're getting into trouble with their solar roofs project.  Someone's filing a lawsuit.  They do seem to have a talent for pissing people off, heh.

[countryfree]

You can't believe what Tesla says. I remember they talked about a new roadster in late 2017. They've shown a prototype telling it would be available in 2020. But the world has yet to see it, same thing for the semi truck which was unveiled at the same time.

[davis196]

The fact TSLA is valued more then all the auto manufactures combined is absurd. You're naive to think big auto is just going to sit on the sidelines. Big auto has the infrastructure and production lines to mass produce fully electric vehicles for a fraction of the cost of a TSLA, something TSLA will never be able do. Ford is already leading the charge with the F-150 Lightning and converting old factories into fully electric vehicle production plants. TSLA is just as overhyped as Elon Musk.

We already know that.Tesla is profitable only because of the regulatory credits.
I wonder how the Tesla stocks increased their price more than 10 times for 3 years.This must have been some sort of market manipulation.Bitcoin isn't the only financial asset with a manipulated price,I guess.
I think that the only competitive advantage of Tesla aren't the electric cars,but the Li-ion batteries.
I also think that not only Tesla,but electric cars in general are over hyped.

[aysg76]

The fact TSLA is valued more then all the auto manufactures combined is absurd. You're naive to think big auto is just going to sit on the sidelines. Big auto has the infrastructure and production lines to mass produce fully electric vehicles for a fraction of the cost of a TSLA, something TSLA will never be able do. Ford is already leading the charge with the F-150 Lightning and converting old factories into fully electric vehicle production plants. TSLA is just as overhyped as Elon Musk.

At this time Tesla cars are hyped in the market comparitavely to other electronic cars like Ford because of the Batteries, speed and AI technology but more sales are in the name of Elon Musk at this time.The overpriced share prices fell from 52 week high of $900 to $563 at current but major important dips came afterwards Elon Musk announcement of Tesla banning Bitcoin acceptance.He has also lost second richest position after that because of his constant tweets against crypto market.But Tesla has some unveiled plans to compete for future like introduction of batteries as stated by @Hydrogen because share prices went up whenever there is some positive rumours in the market and investors purchase bulk future orders rising share prices.Moreover he is building many gigafactories in various countries to expand his business and planning to add on more AI feature to car industry.So you can say he has plans and know what exactly to do at what time.This is his business strategy in which he is succeeding.

[Bitstar_coin]

The fact TSLA is valued more then all the auto manufactures combined is absurd. You're naive to think big auto is just going to sit on the sidelines. Big auto has the infrastructure and production lines to mass produce fully electric vehicles for a fraction of the cost of a TSLA, something TSLA will never be able do. Ford is already leading the charge with the F-150 Lightning and converting old factories into fully electric vehicle production plants. TSLA is just as overhyped as Elon Musk.

Actually i really do not care what happens to TSLA and his owner, am sure he is more than capable to make some tweets and boost the price of tsla up when it dumps, i really hope it does then i will have to see what manner of tweet he can make to raise the price back up, am seriuosly rooting for other giant automobile to take up the challenge.

[stompix]

The fact TSLA is valued more then all the auto manufactures combined is absurd.

And I bet you didn't give a damn about this till Elon started dabbling in Crypto. Nor did 99% of the other people who are angry now cause they feel like they can't covert BTC in as much precious fiat as they could one week ago.

Do you know what's absurd?
This whole obsession with Tesla and Musk, the whole cheering when they were accepting BTC and how Telsala is truly innovative and then how the same people were shouting that no bitcoin owner would ever buy a crappy car like that.
It's amazing the amount of spit people can throw at something after licking it so clean it shined stronger than the Sun!

Bitcoin was supposed to be about freedom, not about cursing to death the people you don't like!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

TSLA is just as overhyped as Elon Musk.

I happen to agree, and I think you're correct about the rest of the world's auto makers.  Tesla just happened to be the one that kicked off the electric car craze.  If indeed the world starts moving toward electric vehicles, you'd better believe Ford, Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, and all the other car manufacturers will begin producing very fine e-vehicles, and Tesla will be just one among many.

I haven't looked at Tesla's market cap--is it really greater than all the other auto makers combined?  I find that hard to believe, but if it's true, it's absolutely absurd.  The short sellers are going to get rich, no doubt, but it's just a question of timing.  Who knows when Tesla stock will drop to a proper valuation.  Right now the stock market seems to be in a period of irrationality, and such periods can last quite some time.

Do you know what's absurd?
This whole obsession with Tesla and Musk, the whole cheering when they were accepting BTC and how Telsala is truly innovative and then how the same people were shouting that no bitcoin owner would ever buy a crappy car like that.

I know your post wasn't directed at me in particular, but for the record, I don't think I've ever cheered Tesla other than to perhaps state that them accepting bitcoin was cool.  Nor have I changed my opinion about them as a company (I don't really have a strong opinion, but I do like e-cars).  I don't even care that they stopped accepting bitcoin, though I think Elon Musk didn't/doesn't think things through thoroughly before taking action--at least he didn't appear to when he started dabbling in crypto, as you put it. 

[dothebeats]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.

Tesla constantly unveils their plans for this and that, yet many of these projects later prove themselves to be unsustainable.

Or they are unable to deliver their proposed targets. Pick your poison. Not that they cannot do it, but with the amount of money that are being pumped into TSLA, they should at least be able to avoid months on manufacturing. But that's currently what's happening on some of their EV models. It must suck so hard to the consumers who paid in advance and wait for months to actually get what they ordered for. especially if the automaker mentions that they can deliver it in X time frame. I like the concept of electric cars replacing gas automobiles for a more sustainable environment, but Musk seemed to get his ego overinflated by receiving too much praise for his 'revolutionary' company.

Sooner or later, Toyota, Honda, Ford, and other car manufacturers would catch up, and that's a fact.

[sheenshane]

Tesla unveiled plans to design and build revolutionary new battery technology for 2022.

Tesla constantly unveils their plans for this and that, yet many of these projects later prove themselves to be unsustainable.

Or they are unable to deliver their proposed targets. Pick your poison. Not that they cannot do it, but with the amount of money that are being pumped into TSLA, they should at least be able to avoid months on manufacturing.

I tend to agree and as I can see, Tesla’s CEO is really good at framing the mass in a way that they become somehow hypnotized.  The company really is capable of having good and innovative technologies.  The only problem is that they less at execution and mass production and that is too important in the industry they have chosen.

Tesla stocks or shares are having value not because they earn good profits, it’s because the company is promising enough to convince them.  That's a too important set of skills the executives have to have on their skill sets.

It just works fine now, but when the time comes, Tesla will be forced to mass produce as if they are not able to it, then they would go down massively IMO.

[slapper]

It can be either overvalued or realistic. Who knows? Perhaps people believe in Elon Musk and how he will rock the world with his genius idea. He is awesome, IMO, but there are more things that need to be done before Tesla truly becomes the number one company on the planet. I feel like he is overconfident and forgets how to manufacture properly.

Even though the stocks may be overbought, Elon Musk's legacies are undeniable because of the revolution started by him. Besides, SpaceX seems do not to have any competitors at the moment. Maybe space adventure is what he truly looks forward to