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May 24, 2021, 11:59:31 PM
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I don't know why you can assume Bitcoin as a religion.  Huh
It is very different from religion. Bitcoin is an investment or asset, people believe in it to get profits. While religion is like a guide of our life. We don't expect profits or earning money from religion. We purely believe in religion for "the life after life", no specific hope for commercial purpose. So, you must differ between "belief" in Bitcoin and religion.

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May 25, 2021, 12:32:29 AM
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I sometimes wonder whether Bitcoin has established a religion.
Those of us who are fixed holders of Bitcoin are believers of Bitcoin.
Those who try to eliminate or replace Bitcoin are heretics or atheists. What is happening now I want to call it a religious war
In this way, Satoshi , the creator of Bitcoin, can be called a god. He changed the order of the world and brought revolution.

Oh look another person to come along and attempt to gaslight. 

Welp.  Go find another sheeple audience.  There's lots of them out there, they mostly listen to CNN or the NYT.   

If this was an attempt to get noticed Welp.  it wont last long.
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May 25, 2021, 01:54:43 AM
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Religion is a belief in supernatural. Bitcoin is nothing like that. Just because there are people devote to Bitcoin doesn't mean that Bitcoin is a religion. And as far as movements go, Bitcoin community isn't exactly monolithic, there are people of all sorts of political or ethical beliefs here. You don't even have to hate the government or fiat currency or banks to be a bitcoiner.
Religion is a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements; however, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.
This is the definition of religion in Wikipedia
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I think religion is a kind of consensus, and Bitcoin is maintained through consensus, so Bitcoin is something similar to religion
Consensus is particularly important in the Bitcoin system, as well as in religion. But the difference between the two is that Bitcoin is done by blockchain technology, while religion is done by preaching (sometimes it may be force coercion).
We believe in Bitcoin because we understand the technical support behind it. Those who don’t believe in Bitcoin have not even understood Bitcoin and blindly resist it. So I call popularization of blockchain knowledge a Missionary.
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May 25, 2021, 02:05:44 AM
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I don't know why you can assume Bitcoin as a religion.  Huh
It is very different from religion. Bitcoin is an investment or asset, people believe in it to get profits. While religion is like a guide of our life. We don't expect profits or earning money from religion. We purely believe in religion for "the life after life", no specific hope for commercial purpose. So, you must differ between "belief" in Bitcoin and religion.

Okay, first of all thank you for your reply
I am not considering Bitcoin and religion from the perspective of [the the life after life]. I know that holding Bitcoin will not make me go to heaven in the the life after life (if there is the the life after life), nor is it giving me life guidance to consider the relationship between the two. . It’s just that from the perspective of consensus, Bitcoin is very similar to religion. One is based on blockchain technology and the other is based on missionary.
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May 25, 2021, 02:14:39 AM
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I sometimes wonder whether Bitcoin has established a religion.
Those of us who are fixed holders of Bitcoin are believers of Bitcoin.

I disagree.
Unlike religion, bitcoiners base their "beliefs" on logic and math, not just because this or that guys say so. Imho it's a huge difference.
Okay, first of all thank you for your reply.
The two points you said are also the reason why I compare Bitcoin to religion. I think that a major core of religion is public knowledge. Bitcoin and religion have this, but one is through technology and the other is through mission.
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May 25, 2021, 06:54:28 AM
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Believe in Bitcoin is freedom of belief. People who believe in freedom are likely to be attracted to Bitcoin.
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May 25, 2021, 07:19:20 AM
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Social Science believes that religion is a kind of cultural phenomenon which appears when human society develops to a certain historical stage and belongs to social ideology. Characterized by the belief that supernatural forces or entities exist outside the physical world, generating awe and worship of the mystery, and thereby eliciting belief cognition and ritualistic activities, does Not Belong to the myth of a kind of spiritual sustenance.So I don't think bitcoin created a religion.
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May 25, 2021, 02:16:19 PM
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Not really attacked on, but just corrected with logics and not just slamming them with their beliefs just like how other believers in a certain religion slams their "sacred book" into non-believers.
Maybe the OP just thought that because many are going into crypto because of the hype that it made a cult or religion as well. Cheesy
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May 25, 2021, 02:50:51 PM
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I sometimes wonder whether Bitcoin has established a religion.
Those of us who are fixed holders of Bitcoin are believers of Bitcoin.
Those who try to eliminate or replace Bitcoin are heretics or atheists. What is happening now I want to call it a religious war
In this way, Satoshi , the creator of Bitcoin, can be called a god. He changed the order of the world and brought revolution.
It's not like that and bitcoin is still treated as currency or store of value by investors not above that.If people believe in something it doesn't implies that it became a religious path for the community.Are you worshipping Sathoshi daily or set up religious organization for Bitcoin anywhere so why do you think this way?

On the contrary part Religion has some different implications like it give you life lessons to live in society,imposes certain restrictions on you, worship the most superior or gurus that have started that religion but it's not the case with Bitcoin.

So use it as currency instead of mixing up different social elements with it.

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May 25, 2021, 03:00:21 PM
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Um coming from a newbie with 27 posts, seems not really worth arguing against. But what the hell, this is a fun topic. So you basically accuse Bitcoin enthusiasts and supporters of having their own "Cult of Satoshi" something that can be seen with the "Cult of Apple". Well for one, the financial sector is a bit different from consumer corporations churning out products for people to consume. Here there is a goal - Financial independence. Same as with the Stock Market, Treasury bonds, Forex, and also Gold investments. You can also accuse them of having their own religions too if that is the case. I would say, not really a cult. But rather a community of like minded people out to get the best Bitcoin can offer.

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May 25, 2021, 03:04:05 PM
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I don't see any relation of bitcoin to religion, bitcoin is being used as an asset, this is good for investment and that is why many people are believing in bitcoin but that is not enough to call it a religion because both things are really different, it is not enough to consider things as a religion just because we believe it there is a deep meaning for religion, it is a belief that people are doing in their daily lives and it is also somehow related to God. We don't need any beliefs in bitcoin, we just need to understand its concept.
I will not totally disagree with your claim but I will say that satoshi as the creator or let me say inventor can be likened to god in this context
Yeah it can be, as Satoshi Nakamoto is the one who created bitcoin and now is being popular all over the world.

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May 25, 2021, 03:06:51 PM
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It does require a bit of faith for this kind of project to take off.

I've been using open source software since 2000 or so, linux vs windows, vim vs emacs.

RMS is a fanatic.

Bitcoin also as the monetary value, so it becomes even more emotional.

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May 25, 2021, 03:53:42 PM
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Logically, if bitcoin is accepted as a means of payment like money, will money be called the same as OP, and bitcoin is like any other investment or trade in the world, what distinguishes bitcoin is only believed and believed to be more profitable, and without involving other people and freedom because we alone control .
it has nothing to do with religion and specifically, religion is defined as the belief system adopted and the actions manifested by a group or society in interpreting and responding to what is felt and believed to be supernatural and holy.
everyone doesn't think bitcoin is a religion because they get involved in possession with the hope of making a profit and so on.
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May 25, 2021, 04:10:40 PM
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The two points you said are also the reason why I compare Bitcoin to religion. I think that a major core of religion is public knowledge. Bitcoin and religion have this, but one is through technology and the other is through mission.

Sorry, but then you can say about all scientists and all sciences that they are religions or they start a religion.

Imho it's a huge difference. In religion you hope that a "supreme being" will basically save your soul and maybe help you out here and there too. In sciences you base onto proven facts and logic and usually know what to expect (as opposed to just hope).

Of course, many go for Bitcoin only by hoping it'll make them rich no matter what and maybe that can be seen as religion. But that's for newcomers, not for long time holders. The long time holders did (imho) their homework and know what to expect, else they would be no longer holders (usually because they got scared at certain price fluctuations).

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May 25, 2021, 04:19:26 PM
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I sometimes wonder whether Bitcoin has established a religion.
Those of us who are fixed holders of Bitcoin are believers of Bitcoin.
Those who try to eliminate or replace Bitcoin are heretics or atheists. What is happening now I want to call it a religious war
In this way, Satoshi , the creator of Bitcoin, can be called a god. He changed the order of the world and brought revolution.
Bitcoin is not a religion or a cult, however I can understand why some people may superficially think things like that as those that are the strongest holders vouch for bitcoin with a huge level of conviction, however this is because they understand what is up, 99% of the people have no idea how the economy works which is why they are still not invested in bitcoin, but for the rest that understand what it is going on they see in bitcoin one of the few ways to protect their wealth and they are not going to lay low when those people that know nothing about the economy say that bitcoin is a scam.

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May 25, 2021, 04:23:26 PM
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Some questions, when you start wondering, you kind of have the answer to it yourself -- self-answering questions I call them (tm).

Belief in a greater power, belief in invisible people, belief in intangible benefits and unprovable futures, belief in malevolent forces bent on destroying the unifying object? Heck, I've been guilty of believing far more ridiculous notions than Bitcoin;)


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May 25, 2021, 04:48:36 PM
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It's OK to support your Nation's founding fathers who selflessly gave their best for the good of the nation, and it's important to stick to the good principles/laws the Nation is built on rather than trying to eliminate or replace the Nation. .That's not religion... It's patriotism

By the way, , there is only one GOD, who is the CREATOR of this World and Heavens. Satoshi doesn't qualify as GOD, neither does supporting Bitcoin qualify as Religion. True Religion is serving the CREATOR of this World in constant purity/holiness.



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May 25, 2021, 05:04:33 PM
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I disagree.
Unlike religion, bitcoiners base their "beliefs" on logic and math, not just because this or that guys say so. Imho it's a huge difference.

I'd argue that's far from the reality. From what I've seen, most of the Bitcoin maximalists use anything but math and logic. The Bitcoin researchers and developers do, but that's not the average audience of Bitcoin today Smiley
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May 25, 2021, 08:51:03 PM
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A religion makes me think of a cult where people worship something. We don't worship anything, we don't think bitcoin is better than us, our savior, a god.
This is what religion comes down to, a god!

Bitcoin is not my god just as fiat money is not my god.

Bitcoin is something i believe in, but you can also believe in yourself which doesn't make this into a religion. Get real man Cheesy
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May 25, 2021, 08:55:58 PM
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You could also argue its a cult.

When people start ranting that btc is the one and only true crypto, above all else, amen lol.

Just like religion, only the atheist is right and will go to heaven.


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