What about Fauci and the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

[Poker Player]

Many months ago, I heard the theory that COVID-19 had been created in that institute that had received funding from Fauci among others.

Then I kind of forgot about it, because you hear so many theories nowadays that in the end you don't know what to believe. Now, some emails made public from Fauci himself, point to this hypothesis, although he and others downplay it and say it is a conspiracy theory.

What the emails do seem to make clear is that Fauci lied: "Dr. Anthony Fauci was warned that the coronavirus had possibly been “engineered” and appeared to be taking reports about it seriously — at the same time he was publicly downplaying the notion of the virus being created in a lab, according to his emails."

I don't know about you, but to me the fact that the greatest expert against COVID has funded the institute where he supposedly came from, and that he has tried to hide it smells bad to me, and it seems to me that he is a fox guarding the hen house.

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[tvbcof]

Many months ago, I heard the theory that COVID-19 had been created in that institute that had received funding from Fauci among others.

Then I kind of forgot about it, because you hear so many theories nowadays that in the end you don't know what to believe. Now, some emails made public from Fauci himself, point to this hypothesis, although he and others downplay it and say it is a conspiracy theory.

What the emails do seem to make clear is that Fauci lied: "Dr. Anthony Fauci was warned that the coronavirus had possibly been “engineered” and appeared to be taking reports about it seriously — at the same time he was publicly downplaying the notion of the virus being created in a lab, according to his emails."

I don't know about you, but to me the fact that the greatest expert against COVID has funded the institute where he supposedly came from, and that he has tried to hide it smells bad to me, and it seems to me that he is a fox guarding the hen house.

Nothing new about that, and it came with a lot of credible backup (and obvious dots) from a long while back.  In particular, there is a lot of tie-in between the people and organizations who had a likely hand in the engineering...and other similar engineering..., and who also have a hand in the 'vaccination' which is supposed to 'treat' it.  It gets MUCH worse.

[Gyfts]

The Lab Leak Theory Explained by Vanity Fair (certainly not a right leaning organization)

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

If anyone is interested, you should read the entire article but I'll highlight some portions.

Former CDC Robert Redfield had thought *last year* that this virus might have leaked out from a laboratory, and he received deaths threats from literal scientists, not politicians, not right wing nut jobs, other scientists, for suggesting the virus came out of a lab.

But for most of the past year, the lab-leak scenario was treated not simply as unlikely or even inaccurate but as morally out-of-bounds. In late March, former Centers for Disease Control director Robert Redfield received death threats from fellow scientists after telling CNN that he believed COVID-19 had originated in a lab. “I was threatened and ostracized because I proposed another hypothesis,” Redfield told Vanity Fair. “I expected it from politicians. I didn’t expect it from science.”

The scientific community back in March generally condemned any theories that supported the idea that the virus was leaked from a lab, with "The Lancet", one of the most prestigious scientific journals, condemned the misinformation from people suggesting that the virus had originated from a lab.

Here is that article. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

The article points out:

On February 19, 2020, The Lancet, among the most respected and influential medical journals in the world, published a statement that roundly rejected the lab-leak hypothesis, effectively casting it as a xenophobic cousin to climate change denialism and anti-vaxxism. Signed by 27 scientists, the statement expressed “solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China” and asserted: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.” The Lancet statement effectively ended the debate over COVID-19’s origins before it began. To Gilles Demaneuf, following along from the sidelines, it was as if it had been “nailed to the church doors,” establishing the natural origin theory as orthodoxy. “Everyone had to follow it. Everyone was intimidated. That set the tone.”

This is yet another reminder that people do not trust scientific institutions because they don't deserve our trust. It took over a year before the media began to take the lab leak theory seriously, and that is after scientific professionals condemned the idea because of they didn't want to be politically inflammatory.

[Cnut237]

Many months ago, I heard the theory that COVID-19 had been created in that institute that had received funding from Fauci among others.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I can see why people might believe it came from an accidental lab leak. I wondered about the origin last year; I suspect that if it did come from a lab, then China, notoriously autocratic, would try very hard to suppress the story and concoct some more or less plausible alternative... initially I was unsure if it was natural or not. However, whilst we all became armchair virologists, the real experts were investigating the nature of the virus to determine its probable origin. As the evidence accrued, I began to form an opinion that it was a natural virus, most likely transmitted through bats at the wet market, as reported. I linked to several papers on this subject about a year ago, but here is a short excerpt from one of them again. The more you look into it, the more it seems that the structure of the virus is very different to the kind of thing that people might make. Again though, I'm by no means an expert. As ever, all we can do is study the findings as best we can.

Theories of SARS-CoV-2 origins
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

[Gyfts]

Many months ago, I heard the theory that COVID-19 had been created in that institute that had received funding from Fauci among others.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I can see why people might believe it came from an accidental lab leak. I wondered about the origin last year; I suspect that if it did come from a lab, then China, notoriously autocratic, would try very hard to suppress the story and concoct some more or less plausible alternative... initially I was unsure if it was natural or not. However, whilst we all became armchair virologists, the real experts were investigating the nature of the virus to determine its probable origin. As the evidence accrued, I began to form an opinion that it was a natural virus, most likely transmitted through bats at the wet market, as reported. I linked to several papers on this subject about a year ago, but here is a short excerpt from one of them again. The more you look into it, the more it seems that the structure of the virus is very different to the kind of thing that people might make. Again though, I'm by no means an expert. As ever, all we can do is study the findings as best we can.

Theories of SARS-CoV-2 origins
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

This paper is published in March of 2020, when it was scientific suicide to suggest that the virus might've come from a lab. It was considered racist if you said otherwise. The paper's saying that because the binding site of the virus has a high binding affinity to the human ACE2 receptor, it's probably a selection mechanism that this virus originated from, but people that support the lab leak theory aren't necessarily saying that it isn't natural, they're saying it's possible the virus was being used for gain of function research, and that it was "leaked" accidentally due to poor hygiene. So it probably is natural, in fact I think it is, but it also probably was being studied in Wuhan and was leaked. It's probably not a custom bioweapon (in fact I think it's kinda crazy to say so).

[Poker Player]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist,

I don't care if they call me a conspiracy theorist or not, I try to see the truth.

I remind you that if in 2003 you believed that the Iraq War was fought for oil instead of the alleged weapons of mass destruction, you were called conspiracy theorist.

The problem I see with this case is the censorship that has been mounted around it. Youtube videos and social media articles have been censored for saying things that Fauci said in his emails (although he publicly denied it): he questioned the effectiveness of surgical masks, claimed that asymptomatic people rarely infect other people, etc.

The Lab Leak Theory Explained by Vanity Fair (certainly not a right leaning organization)
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Former CDC Robert Redfield had thought *last year* that this virus might have leaked out from a laboratory, and he received deaths threats from literal scientists, not politicians, not right wing nut jobs, other scientists, for suggesting the virus came out of a lab.
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The scientific community back in March generally condemned any theories that supported the idea that the virus was leaked from a lab, with "The Lancet", one of the most prestigious scientific journals, condemned the misinformation from people suggesting that the virus had originated from a lab.
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This is yet another reminder that people do not trust scientific institutions because they don't deserve our trust...

Brilliant. Sorry that I'm out of merits. The problem I see with respect to what you say about science is that its name is being used to avoid debate, when science should be just the opposite: open to debate. I believe that it is not that in general we distrust scientific institutions, but that there are some cases that serve as another mechanism of the established power.

[Cnut237]

people that support the lab leak theory aren't necessarily saying that it isn't natural, they're saying it's possible the virus was being used for gain of function research, and that it was "leaked" accidentally due to poor hygiene. So it probably is natural, in fact I think it is, but it also probably was being studied in Wuhan and was leaked.

Yes, that's a different question. I was addressing the points made in the OP about the likelihood of the virus being created in a lab — apologies, I wasn't sufficiently clear. I am perhaps also guilty of seeing a stark division between a) naturally-occurring and naturally-transmitted, and b) evil secret bioweapon... when as ever the true picture is more nuanced. And history teaches us that we should certainly never discount the possibility of something happening due to human ineptitude.

If it was a naturally-occurring virus that was under study, and escaped accidentally - that's certainly plausible and, in the absence of a smoking pangolin gun from the wet market, it's certainly an avenue that should be investigated. I don't know whether this is more or less likely than the wet market theory. There are reports of sick staff at the institute just prior to the outbreak, but given the overlap in symptoms between CV19 and other more common seasonal viruses (including of course other coronaviruses), it may be difficult to determine the truth. And this is especially true in a nation where the government can be so secretive and heavy-handed. I might still lean towards the wet market theory, on the basis that if the Chinese government knew that a) it was a lab leak, and b) specifically involving gain-of-function work, then they would certainly have been aware of the potential consequences, and would likely have acted with characteristic lightning-speed to shut everything down, not only news suppression, but physical containment. Whereas instead they acted more as if they weren't really sure what was going on, as might be the case if the lab were not involved. But this is speculation; there's no firm evidence either way.

The problem I see with respect to what you say about science is that its name is being used to avoid debate, when science should be just the opposite: open to debate.

Definitely. Preventing investigation of a potential Chinese government cover-up because it's "racist" is the same as banning criticism of Israel's murder of Palestinians because it's "antisemitic". Science should be utterly impartial, a mechanism for establishing truth at all times. Of course where international politics is involved, that's not always the case.

[tvbcof]

Word to the wise:

Obviously I've been scouring on this Fauci tsunami.  It's pretty clear to me that the charges which are causing this spectacular implosion have been carefully and expertly placed.  It also appears that there are some notable (and safe) sacrificial lambs who have been prep'd for some time.  Fausti, Dasnak, Baric, etc.

I would council to look hard and deep before jumping on any particular savior figure's bandwagon.

[Jet Cash]

It seems fairly certain now that the virus was created as part of research into GainOf Function viral research. This has been funded by Faucci's organisations in the US. The Wuhan laboratory has fairly lax security, so it may well have been an accidental escape. All of the animal products in the Wuhan wet market have been tested, and none shows any trace of the virus. In addition, they have tried to infect bats with the virus, and it seems it is not viable in their bodies.

[franky1]

ok some clarity is needed
the ones in the posts above saying they THINK it was lab leaked are quoting other people that THINK

.. however an opinion of an opinion are not evidence

however
here is some evidence that oposses the conspiracy theory
Crispr is the technique that labs use to gene splice and edit genes. the thing is. it always leaves a sign it has been done.
when looking at the covid sequence there is no sign of any crispr.. but they can see that the lineages show a relational path from bats found in eastern mongolia years prior(96%). as to with a strain found in wild pangolins thats later(98%)

thus actual evidence of actually studying the virus yields greater proof of a wild bat->wild pangolin-> wetmarket path to human infection

also the people in previous posts are using the "thinks" of jan2020-summer 2020
ignorantly saying how people need to go to china to find out for sure
yep june 2021 idiots quoting 2020 as reasons people need to go to china(facepalm)


funny part is the ignorance of the people above. international scientists did go to china in late 2020.. and so ends the debate of 'going to china'

yep folks if your quoting crap from pre autumn 2020.. your already debunked and out of date
try catching up

[Megaquake]

It seems fairly certain now that the virus was created as part of research into GainOf Function viral research. This has been funded by Faucci's organisations in the US. The Wuhan laboratory has fairly lax security, so it may well have been an accidental escape. All of the animal products in the Wuhan wet market have been tested, and none shows any trace of the virus. In addition, they have tried to infect bats with the virus, and it seems it is not viable in their bodies.

I hear "Gain Of Function" in many reports but the intended result was? exactly what started back in late 2019 was the intended result no matter what name you give it.

[Tzupy]

Virologist Who Told Dr. Fauci Coronavirus Was Likely Engineered and Got Paid After Backtracking on Claims – Just Deleted 5,000 Tweets — Then DELETED ENTIRE ACCOUNT
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/busted-virologist-told-dr-fauci-coronavirus-likely-engineered-got-paid-retracting-claims-just-deleted-5000-tweets-deleted-account-entirely/

[eddie13]

Sometimes it bothers me how many of you so wholeheartedly “believe” things..

Putting full belief in almost anything is foolish imo.. Either side..
Always keep an open mind..

[franky1]

the bat corona used in the wuhan lab was 96% like covid19

yet wild pangolins found in other locations are 98% to covid

if your unclear about how much this percentage means as a difference
humans vs apes are 98.8% similar


now lets use some numbers
for wuhan lab to crispr their corona sample to make it 100% covid2
would require.. .. well ill make things simple math.. a change of 20 rna characters per trial
out of 30000

so say bat corona virus is 96%
28800
thats 1200 rna character differences
which means 60 trials/edits to the bat corona rna code to become the covid code

that seems not much while reading this.. but the world of crispr and biological science. thats actually quite difficult.. as i said 4% is difference between apes and humans

anyway if it was lab produced
it would show 60 identifiers that crispr has happened.
well there is not 60 identifiers found.
nor 30.. nor 15.. nor 8 nor 4 nor 2 .. not even one

yep zero identifiers have been found

[Mauser]

For me the Wuhan institute of virology is most plausible story of how the corona virus was released on humanity. The story of the fish market just seems like the perfect place to release a deadly virus. There is one issue I would add here. It appears that scientist from the institute were admitted to a hospital already in autumn 2019, so month before the official outbreak. I wish the international pressure would be stronger to try and find out what really happened.

[franky1]

"lab workers were sick" - says report in wall street journal
wall street journal.. rupert murdock..  trump buddy
hmmm..

now lets saee if the wall street journal shows evidence
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nope

ok so its another trumpette mystery said just to be a trumpette.. moving on

its funny how people believe things simply because of a headline
so heres a test for people

WSJ headline "US intel says eating cheese makes you superman.. with lazer eyes" - must be true..?

[BADecker]

Beginning to look like Fauci was involved in the aftermath of 9/11... the anthrax.


The FBI's Strange Anthrax Investigation Sheds Light on COVID Lab-Leak Theory and Fauci's Emails

---and extending for another three weeks, a highly weaponized and sophisticated strain of anthrax had been sent around the country through the US Postal Service addressed to some of the country's most prominent political and media figures. As Americans were still reeling from the devastation of 9/11, the anthrax killed five Americans and sickened another seventeen.

As part of the extensive reporting I did on the subsequent FBI investigation to find the perpetrator(s), I documented how significant these attacks were in the public consciousness. ABC News, led by investigative reporter Brian Ross, spent a full week claiming that unnamed government sources told them that government tests demonstrated a high likelihood that the anthrax came from Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program. The Washington Post, in November, 2001, also raised "the possibility that [this weaponized strain of anthrax] may have slipped through an informal network of scientists to Iraq." Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) appeared on The David Letterman Show on October 18, 2001, and said: "There is some indication, and I don't have the conclusions, but some of this anthrax may -- and I emphasize may -- have come from Iraq." Three days later, McCain appeared on Meet the Press with Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) and said of the anthrax perpetrators: "perhaps this is an international organization and not one within the United States of America," while Lieberman said the anthrax was so finely weaponized that "there's either a significant amount of money behind this, or this is state-sponsored, or this is stuff that was stolen from the former Soviet program" (Lieberman added: "Dr. Fauci can tell you more detail on that").

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[tvbcof]

Looks like Fausti is going to the thrown in the trash just like the NIAID experiment beagles after the flies/media finish eating his face.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fdZPl1zdtyJM/  My guess is that he pulls a Ken Lay/ Jeff Epstein pretty soon here.

The sand fly infection experiments that they were doing kind of perk up my ears.  My 'covid-19' came along with what seemed to be a protozoan parasitic infection.  Not a 100% match for any particular one, but several of the most close matches where Chagas (a S. American variant of African river blindness for which Ivermectin is used) and even closer, leishmaniasis.  That is another so-called 'neglected tropical disease', but it actually does occur geographically where I happen to be.

It's pretty clear that NIAID is heavily into biological weapons research and does a fair amount of the heavy lifting (and funding) of programs that further such efforts.  Biolocial weapons development is probably more about delivery systems than it is about infectious agents, and parasites are a tried-and-true method of accomplishing this.

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The super creepy stuff is what the NIH was up to, and Fausti cannot really be blamed for that unless he was standing by for his own entertainment (not outside the realm of possibility.)  This one is on Collins (although so is Fausti's stuff given that NIAID reports to the NIH.)

They were drilling holes in the heads of primates, pouring in acid to destroy parts of their brains, then scaring the shit out of the creatures with snakes and spiders.  This is straight out of Jeffery Dahmer's book.  Seriously!  It is exactly what he was doing to his victims!

The only possible 'scientific' stuff the NIH could learn from this kind of work would be how better to terrorize people, and it seems to assume the ability to selectively destroy specific brain tissue.

These Mengele 2.0's really really need to be ceased from running around doing their evil.  That was already evidenced by the 2 years of covid-19 terrorization, but is even more the case now because they would obviously have no compunction about bringing down even more disturbing stuff on the peeps once they've worked it out in the labs.

[Gyfts]

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These grotesque experiments aren't unusual. Americans have a bizarre attachment to animals, some having higher attachment to their dogs or cats than actual people. And so naturally, there's more concern to some of these folks about NIH funding animal experiments rather than gain of function research that killed millions.

[tvbcof]

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These grotesque experiments aren't unusual. Americans have a bizarre attachment to animals, some having higher attachment to their dogs or cats than actual people. And so naturally, there's more concern to some of these folks about NIH funding animal experiments rather than gain of function research that killed millions.

Fine.  Put ALL the data and justifications in the public domain and explain the relevance of horrors to the peeps who are paying for it with their taxes.

I'll bet that if all the details and justifications were visible it would be clear that both the gain of function (or the deployment of the results of it) and some of these other horrors would be found to be directly related to one another in a lot of cases.  And almost certainly in direct violation of various treaties and agreements about biological weapons development.  Then it can only be done by Israel who is not party to the biological weapons conventions.