Abuse of DT by odolvlobo?

[savetheFORUM]

This thread has certainly helped a lot of users: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034315.0

But odolvlobo has left negative feedback as I can see for Mr.Spider703 getting tips from users. How idiotic and bizzare is that?



If someone is helping others accelerate their transactions and getting tips from happy users in return, how is that a scam? I would like an explanation from odolvlobo.

Interesting to note that other users have left positive feedback for him helping them. This leads me to believe he is not faking acceleration service.



NOTE: I was not contacted by anyone to speak for Mr.Spider703, but as a user of the forum if I see someone tagging others for no reason, I will speak up.

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[Bitcoin_Arena]

I think the negative feedback on Mr.Spider703 is a little harsh. I don't know the basis odolvlobo used to tag the user, maybe a word from him would help clear things up.

As far as I know, there are two type of Bitcoin "transaction accelerators". Those that are just used to rebroadcast a transaction IDs to the network such as Bitaccelerate which are not effective and those where miners of a specific mining pool actually help and include a low fee transaction into the next block the pool mines like Viabitc Transaction Accelerator which are actually effective.

Now if Mr.Spider703 is actually helping to accelerate transactions using accelerators like Viabtc tx accelerator, then I don't think it's a fair feedback on his profile.

[nutildah]

I still don't understand the point of opening these kinds of threads. You're questioning a 3 year-old tag on an inactive account.

I would like an explanation from odolvlobo.

Then send them a PM. They don't owe you any response whatsoever, though, so don't wait around for too long.

[savetheFORUM]

I still don't understand the point of opening these kinds of threads. You're questioning a 3 year-old tag on an inactive account.

Please do some research, the account in question is running an active service thread. The person who left the feedback is also active

[suchmoon]

I still don't understand the point of opening these kinds of threads. You're questioning a 3 year-old tag on an inactive account.

Please do some research, the account in question is running an active service thread. The person who left the feedback is also active

Uhm... using another, higher-ranked account that doesn't have red trust.

So what exactly is the issue here? Red trust evasion?

[savetheFORUM]

Uhm... using another, higher-ranked account that doesn't have red trust.

If you do little research you will find that he is not evading red-trust but his earlier account was blocked so he used his temporary account for the service, I believe.

P.S. My old account was unlocked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1105709
Now I work on him

So what exactly is the issue here? Red trust evasion?

The issue is that someone on the DT is rogue enough to be actively using the forum but unable to correct a mistake for 3 years.

Suchmoon, I know you hate me, I don't care either but you should be able to see what's wrong and what's right, that's the least I expect from you.

[suchmoon]

The issue is that someone on the DT is rogue enough to be actively using the forum but unable to correct a mistake for 3 years.

What did the active DT user say in response to your PM?

Suchmoon, I know you hate me, I don't care either but you should be able to see what's wrong and what's right, that's the least I expect from you.

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not a teenage girl, I don't "hate" people on the internet. I know that you know that I know that you're a sockpuppeting liar so perhaps you're projecting a little bit here.

[savetheFORUM]

What did the active DT user say in response to your PM?

The same what satoshi replied to you when you asked for his real name . Jokes apart I haven't messaged him because I rather prefer him to answer publicly.

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not a teenage girl, I don't "hate" people on the internet. I know that you know that I know that you're a sockpuppeting liar so perhaps you're projecting a little bit here.

You do, even if you don't admit it. I am not a "liar" unless you have a reason to call me such. I answered you multiple times the other account I had was lower ranked so I prefer using this one now. I don't wear signatures so I am not trying to cheat anyone.

We can discuss any doubts you have via PM. I am open to any discussion but here you are defending someone who has tagged a free service provider working on tips.

[suchmoon]

We can discuss any doubts you have via PM. I am open to any discussion but here you are defending someone who has tagged a free service provider working on tips.

I'm not defending anyone. You created a thread and didn't even PM the person so how the fuck are you expecting an answer?

I sent a PM to odolvlobo since you're clearly not interested in actually hearing his response.

[DireWolfM14]

I still don't understand the point of opening these kinds of threads. You're questioning a 3 year-old tag on an inactive account.

The tag in question is from "2021-01-18," January 18th, of this year, so almost 5 months old, but I digress.  As an American I tend to want to read the dates on trust pages backwards also.  I always have to look twice.

I would like an explanation from odolvlobo.

Then send them a PM. They don't owe you any response whatsoever, though, so don't wait around for too long.

^This.  

@savetheFORUM, I agree with you to an extent, a red-tag seems harsh from 30,000 foot view.  However, if you read the thread Spider703 seems to exaggerate his capabilities.  At the very least he's not disclosing that he's using tools that are available to anyone who's capable of accessing the internet.  Which includes everyone who finds themselves on this forum.

[savetheFORUM]

However, if you read the thread Spider703 seems to exaggerate his capabilities.  At the very least he's not disclosing that he's using tools that are available to anyone who's capable of accessing the internet.  Which includes everyone who finds themselves on this forum.

Agree but I don't think it deserves a negative and if a designer doesn't mention the software they use, doesn't mean they are scammers.

@suchmoon Thanks for messaging him and before giving out merits do verify if the facts are correct, although I know nutildah is almost every time spot on with facts

[DireWolfM14]

Agree but I don't think it deserves a negative and if a designer doesn't mention the software they use, doesn't mean they are scammers.

I never said he was a scammer, but it's obvious to any one who's been around for a while that he's not being completely honest.  I also said that I think the red-tag is harsh.  In my opinion a neutral tag would suffice, but that's my opinion not odolvlobo's.  The trust system is meant to be decentralized, and this is why.  Some of us find some things more troubling than others.  If other DT members find his use of the trust system to be abusive, then odolvlobo's tenure on DT2 is likely to be short-lived.

[odolvlobo]

I guess I should respond.

This thread has certainly helped a lot of users: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034315.0
But odolvlobo has left negative feedback as I can see for Mr.Spider703 getting tips from users. How idiotic and bizzare is that?

If someone is helping others accelerate their transactions and getting tips from happy users in return, how is that a scam? I would like an explanation from odolvlobo.

The issue is that Mr.Spider703 was claiming that he is accelerating transactions, and his goal was to gain tips and merits. Only the biggest miners can accelerate a transaction. Mr.Spider703 cannot. At best, he can submit a transaction to ViaBTC's service. If that is what he is doing, then he hides that fact and he takes credit for the confirmed transaction. I don't trust people that hide important information in order to gain money or merits.

Interesting to note that other users have left positive feedback for him helping them. This leads me to believe he is not faking acceleration service.

He also has received money at his tip address, but that does not show that he is not faking it. It shows me that he is successfully fooling people.

In fact, if you look at some of the transactions that he claims to have accelerated, you can see that they were confirmed because transaction fees dropped and not because of anything that he may have done.

NOTE: I was not contacted by anyone to speak for Mr.Spider703, but as a user of the forum if I see someone tagging others for no reason, I will speak up.

I have never been contacted by Mr.Spider703, so I assume he doesn't care what I think about his activity.

[suchmoon]

@suchmoon Thanks for messaging him and before giving out merits do verify if the facts are correct, although I know nutildah is almost every time spot on with facts

Huh? nutildah told you to send a PM, which for some inexplicable reason you refused to do. Now you're thanking me for sending the PM that you should have sent, and at the same time schooling me for sending merits to nutildah for the advice to send the PM. Make up your mind. Or at least spend a few minutes thinking before posting - this is not twitbook and you don't have to post every brainfart publicly.

I am not on the DT list

You are included by Foxpup, who is in DT1, which makes you a member of DT2.

[savetheFORUM]

I guess I should respond.
First, I am not on the DT list, so the title of your post is ridiculous.

You are on DT and I am surprised to see that you aren't aware of it. Even if you aren't you should be careful when leaving feedbacks, the responsibility increases with DT.

Second, I am entitled to my opinion. If you don't agree with it, then please ignore it. Put me on your ignore list.

But if your opinion is wrong and you are part of the DT, you will at times be questioned. I don't see a problem correcting a mistake either.

The issue is that Mr.Spider703 was claiming that he is accelerating transactions, and his goal was to gain tips and merits. Only the biggest miners can accelerate a transaction. Mr.Spider703 cannot. At best, he can submit a transaction to ViaBTC's service. If that is what he is doing, then he hides that fact and he takes credit for the confirmed transaction. I don't trust people that hide important information in order to gain money or merits.

Agree with that part but eventually, someone who isn't aware of technical aspects, gets his transaction confirmed without spending anything. If even he is hiding the fact he uses some external sources, I don't think he is scamming anyone because the service is free and tips aren't forced but left by users as thanks.

He also has received money at his tip address, but that does not show that he is not faking it. It shows me that he is successfully fooling people.

Consider this example. If you buy potatoes for cheap and sell them for a higher cost, without mentioning the source of purchase to the buyer, does that tag you as a scammer?

There are countless service providers who do minimal work and earn, it is because the buyer isn't aware of the source. What makes it more baffling is that Mr.Spider703 isn't charging anything, so I don't know how you see him as a scammer.

In fact, if you look at some of the transactions that he claims to have accelerated, you can see that they were confirmed because transaction fees dropped and not because of anything that he may have done.

Obviously a lot of times that might happen. You call the police but the fight ends early doesn't mean the police are at fault.

I have never been contacted by Mr.Spider703, so I assume he doesn't care what I think about his activity.

If he doesn't even care, at least you should correct your mistake.

Huh? nutildah told you to send a PM, which for some inexplicable reason you refused to do.

Because I was writing replies here and doing some work, once I was done, I would have obviously messaged him.

Now you're thanking me for sending the PM that you should have sent, and at the same time schooling me for sending merits to nutildah for the advice to send the PM.

I'm not schooling you because you said you are not a teenage girl, you're mature enough, I am just telling you to verify stats posted by others, even if they are posted by some of the best members.

Make up your mind. Or at least spend a few minutes thinking before posting - this is not twitbook and you don't have to post every brainfart publicly.

I have already made up my mind, that is why I thanked you for messaging him because it saved my time.

[odolvlobo]

First, I am not on the DT list, so the title of your post is ridiculous.

You are on DT and I am surprised to see that you aren't aware of it. Even if you aren't you should be careful when leaving feedbacks, the responsibility increases with DT.

Second, I am entitled to my opinion. If you don't agree with it, then please ignore it. Put me on your ignore list.

But if your opinion is wrong and you are part of the DT, you will at times be questioned. I don't see a problem correcting a mistake either.

I agree with you to some extent, though there is no way for me to know that I am DT, except by doing some investigation. However, I do know that I have Legendary status and I agree that I should be careful, and I try to be careful.

The issue is that Mr.Spider703 was claiming that he is accelerating transactions, and his goal was to gain tips and merits. Only the biggest miners can accelerate a transaction. Mr.Spider703 cannot. At best, he can submit a transaction to ViaBTC's service. If that is what he is doing, then he hides that fact and he takes credit for the confirmed transaction. I don't trust people that hide important information in order to gain money or merits.

Agree with that part but eventually, someone who isn't aware of technical aspects, gets his transaction confirmed without spending anything. If even he is hiding the fact he uses some external sources, I don't think he is scamming anyone because the service is free and tips aren't forced but left by users as thanks.

He also has received money at his tip address, but that does not show that he is not faking it. It shows me that he is successfully fooling people.

Consider this example. If you buy potatoes for cheap and sell them for a higher cost, without mentioning the source of purchase to the buyer, does that tag you as a scammer?
There are countless service providers who do minimal work and earn, it is because the buyer isn't aware of the source. What makes it more baffling is that Mr.Spider703 isn't charging anything, so I don't know how you see him as a scammer.

I never said he is scamming. I stated the issue accurately and precisely, and you just wrote that you agree with it. I feel that he deserves negative trust for being deceptive and you don't. He wasn't charging anything but he was asking for tips.

In fact, if you look at some of the transactions that he claims to have accelerated, you can see that they were confirmed because transaction fees dropped and not because of anything that he may have done.

Obviously a lot of times that might happen. You call the police but the fight ends early doesn't mean the police are at fault.

It is an issue if the police say that they broke up the fight, just as when Mr.Spider703 takes credit for accelerating a transaction when he didn't.

[suchmoon]

Consider this example. If you buy potatoes for cheap and sell them for a higher cost, without mentioning the source of purchase to the buyer, does that tag you as a scammer?

Enough of this "scammer" fallacy. The red trust rating does not necessarily mean "scammer". It means "high risk". Whether the risk of voluntarily tipping someone for doing fuck all is "high" - a matter of opinion, but when it involves money and deception I wouldn't be so adamant calling the red trust a mistake.

Because I was writing replies here and doing some work, once I was done, I would have obviously messaged him.

It wasn't obvious at all:

I haven't messaged him because I rather prefer him to answer publicly

I am just telling you to verify stats posted by others

Here's a better idea: stop telling me what to do and use the saved time to "verify stats" yourself, whatever that means. Win-win.

[Charles-Tim]

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I think the negative tag is not bad, just for Mr.Spider703 to make certain corrections. No big issue here, odolvlobo can remove the red tag, but according to his comments I read above, this quote below is wrong. It is making people to think Mr.Spider703 is the one acceleratating the transaction, and of which not. So, if you can tell Mr.Spider703 to edit the topic, I hope odolvlobo will likely remove the negative trust. He/she needs to be transparent about it just like on this thread.

Just leave your TXID below and I'll speed up the transaction. I do not guarantee that this will be confirmed at the exact moment when I accelerate it.

As I commented, I iterate this to be a wrong and false statement, the topic needs edition imo.

The issue is that Mr.Spider703 was claiming that he is accelerating transactions, and his goal was to gain tips and merits. Only the biggest miners can accelerate a transaction. Mr.Spider703 cannot. At best, he can submit a transaction to ViaBTC's service. If that is what he is doing, then he hides that fact and he takes credit for the confirmed transaction. I don't trust people that hide important information in order to gain money or merits.

[Quickseller]

@savetheFORUM, I agree with you to an extent, a red-tag seems harsh from 30,000 foot view.  However, if you read the thread Spider703 seems to exaggerate his capabilities.  At the very least he's not disclosing that he's using tools that are available to anyone who's capable of accessing the internet.  Which includes everyone who finds themselves on this forum.

A few weeks ago. I received a letter from an “investigator” working for a law firm who specializes in returning abandoned property to their rightful owners. It was regarding a security deposit I never received from an old landlord from about 10 years ago. They wanted me to agree to pay them 20% of any amount they recovered for me. I actually have money held by the state, and the state would have paid me directly, however I can get this money by filling out a single form myself.

Is this shady? Yes absolutely. Is it legal? Also yes.

LoyceV has a service in which he “recovers” fork coin from addresses that had coin at the time of various forks. Although he also has a free guide for people to claim fork coins themselves. 

Real estate agents charge fees for selling property that could be done by the client. Lawyers charge fees for providing information about the law that is publicly available.

The list goes on. He has experience and expertise that others do not have.

[nutildah]

He has experience and expertise that others do not have.

Experience and expertise finding viabtc.com or any number of other free acceleration services?