How the Government made you fat

[arielbit]

guys, it's not the government that makes us fat, but we ourselves do it. Genetically modified foods were not created to undermine human health, but to solve the problem of hunger. if we had not invented this, now there would be hunger in the world and many people would die because of this. watch what you eat, exercise at least 3 times a week and you will be slim and healthy. stop shifting responsibility to the government because you are fat, only you are to blame, only you are building your life and your body. stop whining like girls, pull yourself together and do something for yourself

Genetically modified fruits are so much sweeter bringing higher dose of sugar per serving, the more sugar the more you will become a sugar addict.

GMO is for profit by big corp..patents, they own your food, if get their way they will own all your food.

Government FDA recommended maximun daily intake of 12.5 teaspoons of sugar per day.

Those are just some quick info.

The way Americans eat, it isn't just GMO fruit that takes up all their sugar allowance for the day. One can of cola will take up something like half your daily sugar allowance, Highly unlikely people are exceeding the limit by eating fruit all day.

i have tasted some of those fruits and i already think i am already high on sugar felt like poison LOL.

high fructose corn syrup in drinks--GMO.

you can also add the carbs-glucose to that equation

one can is half, that's huge..i've seen those cola cans, cups and bottles got bigger and bigger as time passes. didn't even come to my mind because i haven't drank cola for a very looooooooong time around two decades already hehe

[franky1]

i dont blame government. they did not make the food nor put the plate infront of me, nor make me eat it.

capitalism caused more glossy adverts tempting people to eat less than nutritious food(KFC adverts)
capitalism caused excess of less than nutritious food to be available. (10 fastfood restaurants per fresh veg grocery store)
capitalism caused more work places to offer sedentary jobs

if people were to eat a balanced diet they wouldnt get fat. but its when people self- decide, get tempted by little extra's. even a 10% excess of a balanced diet. these 10%'s add up over time. and in a couple years you look in the mirror and realise it.

its just common sense

if people in the 1950's were working on farms from 6am to 3pm 7 days a week (9 hours x 7 days =63hours)
(3200cal maintain weight)
if people in 2021 are working in an office 9-5, 5 days a week(8 hours x 5 days=40 hours)
(2100cal maintain weight)

if someone in an office job is eating the same diet as an active worker. the office worker would gain 50% excess calories per day, every day, and with less exercise happening to a point of atleast 50%.
thats 100% too much
(basal (minimum function ~1600) vs 3200 cal)

other things occur too.
fluid intake.
drinking 2 litres of water and having about 4 full bladder urinations a day is a equal balance of water in water out.
but drink more. but urinate less(cant take pee breaks at work) means you retain that fluid which is then forced to convert sugars and simplex fats with water to become complex fat.(hydrogenated fats)
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ever notice when using cooking oil. if you put too much water into the mix, when it cools it becomes harder more solid white fat instead of staying yellow fluid.. well that white hard fat is hydrogenated fat. which sits on your body more then fresh liquid fat.

when you metabolise carbohydrate(burn it for energy)
your body wont process this white fat until it has run out of the free flowing sugars and fats that are easier to process first. which is why to lose those 'love handles' people need to do extreme dieting/exercise to force body to use up all the free flowing carbohydrates first to then burn the white solid fat

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over all i would not say government are causing obesity.
capitalist industry is. but it seems the government are not doing enough to educate people and not doing enough to regulate industry to prevent capitalism from making people fat

[arielbit]

i dont blame government. they did not make the food nor put the plate infront of me, nor make me eat it.

capitalism caused more glossy adverts tempting people to eat less than nutritious food(KFC adverts)
capitalism cause more less than nutritious food to be available. (10 fastfood restaurants per fresh veg grocery store)
capitalism caused more work places to offer sedentary jobs

if people were to eat a balanced diet they wouldnt get fat. but its when people self- decide, get tempted by little extra's. even a 10% excess of a balanced diet. these 10%'s add up over time. and in a couple years you look in the mirror and realise it.

its just common sense

if people in the 1950's were working on farms from 6am to 3pm 7 days a week (9 hours x 7 days =63hours)
(3000cal maintain weight)
if people in 2021 are working in an office 9-5, 5 days a week(8 hours x 5 days=40 hours)
(2000cal maintain weight)

if someone in an office job is eating the same diet as an active worker. the office worker would gain 50% excess calories per day, every day

other things occur too.
fluid intake.
drinking 2 litres of water and having about 4 full bladder urinations a day is a equal balance of water in water out.
but drink more. but urinate less(cant take pee breaks at work) means you retain that fluid which is then forced to convert sugars and simplex fats with water to become complex fat.(hydrogenated fats)
..
ever notice when using cooking oil. if you put too much water into the mix, when it cools it becomes harder more solid white fat instead of staying yellow fluid.. well that white hard fat is hydrogenated fat. which sits on your body more then fresh liquid fat.

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over all i would not say government are causing obesity.
capitalist industry is. but it seems the government are not doing enough to educate people and not doing enough to regulate industry to prevent capitalism from making people fat

capitalist industry lobbies the government.

the government follows capitalist/corporate interest, which is make more money
 - making you sugar addict (big food corp)
 - making you sick (big pharma meds)

the government is incompetent just like the people, incompetent people create incompetent government, incompetent government makes you fat if you happen to follow their corporate/capitalist inclined policies.

the food and body relationship is more than just calorie in--calorie out...the question is why are you always hungry?, why are you addicted to carbs and sugar?

[franky1]

yes government incompetence to not regulate food industry.

but its the food industry that make the stuff and advertise the stuff that end up in your mouth.

its government lack of involvement. by not being involved in whats on your plate. that seems to be the topics reason to blame government. and why are they not involved..
.. oh look capitalism.. yet again

capitalism is the economic philosophy of favouring industry control over government/citizen control
communism is the economic philosophy of favouring government control over industry/citizen control
socialism is the economic philosophy of favouring citizen control over government/industry control

[Poker Player]

Well, I am about to lock the thread.

Mostly because those of you who are against what the title says, and the video on which it is based, repeat the same garbage without providing arguments.

We already know that today the fat person is blamed for being fat, because if they simply ate less and moved more they would be thin.

That argument has already been refuted and you give no arguments to counter refute it.

The argument in the video, and by Dr Fung and many others, is that the weight issue is primarily a hormone issue, not a calorie issue. Calories are important to some extent, but not the main thing.

And you keep repeating the same thing.

In the 60's and 70's, people were mostly thin. In the 70's the US Government first set dietary guidelines and from there began an obesity epidemic that has continued to worsen.

If it is a question of willpower, what happens, that people in the 60's and 70's had a lot of willpower and humans mostly stopped having it from the 80's?

[franky1]

the food and body relationship is more than just calorie in--calorie out...the question is why are you always hungry?, why are you addicted to carbs and sugar?

yes its more then calorie in calorie out..
its the TYPE of calorie(carbohydrate)

sugars are simplex easy burn calorie. body uses these first.

having a high sugar high water but lack active exercise in 90mins = skips the liquid fat and goes straight to lard(thick solid wide fat)
because you then lack the free flowing fat once the sugar is converted/burned. your body goes into hunger signals because it has to work extra hard to turn the lard back into free flowing fat to then convert into glucose to then burn for energy

sugar(glucose) is what your body burns for energy. its soo active that not having free flowing glucose really sends out the signals for more. and rewards you fastest when you get it.

ingesting fat wont reward you because your body then needs to convert it down to glucose. so your reward feeling has a delay effect and a more smoother effect


things like coffee and energy drinks are the wrong balance of calorie-water intake
if your not doing enough movement/energy burn in the same 90 minutes as consuming it..
expect to get podgy love handles if you continue this scenario regular

different sugars are needed/used by the body first

its not a question of will power. its a question of lack of education and lack of activity
yes government dont fund enough food education at school.
yes government dont fund enough food options at school lunch rooms
yes government dont fund enough sport/PE curriculum at schools. causing kids to sit and eat fries/pizza

but thats more government incompetence/ignorance/lack of involvement(emphasis lack of involvement)
compared to the levels of involvement and investment the food industry put into peoples minds

[franky1]

If it is a question of willpower, what happens, that people in the 60's and 70's had a lot of willpower and humans mostly stopped having it from the 80's?

industry changed first. where by people needed to change eating habits due to more sedentary life.
(working less hard in an office and more days off for weekends to sit and watch tv)

this caused more weight gain. the balanced diet came in response to it.
issue is industry had a louder voice. and people dont stick to diets. nor research science. instead they just follow the tv adverts

its not a simple thing of ignore governments balanced diet plate. its about understanding it.

to maintain weight
if you are an active person that jogs in the morning. for about 30 minutes. a sugar breakfast diet pre-run is best(instant burn). and not best post-run
but if you are a slow starter. a sugar breakfast is worse. as it just converts to lard fat because your not instant burning it.

if inactive post-run/jog
having sugar breakfast(milk+sugar in cereal.. coffee.. orange juice and milk) just turns to lard as your no longer active after run so body does not need the sugar.
.. having a free flow fat diet. meat and veg and fibre is better then a milk+sugar/oj breakfast
as the free flow fat stays free flowing for hours to have a consistant long term access to energy

in short sugar is for active need within 90mins of consumption.
free flowing clean fat is for the consistant energy over 3-6 hours(one meal no snacking)

also moderation is good

[Poker Player]

industry changed first.

I grant you that today there is more junk food, but in the 70's there was already Coca-Cola and McDonald's people ate jam, and cakes. So they didn't spend all day eating vegetables (I'm talking about industrialized countries).

where by people needed to change eating habits due to more sedentary life.
(working less hard in an office and more days off for weekends to sit and watch tv)

if people in the 1950's were working on farms from 6am to 3pm 7 days a week (9 hours x 7 days =63hours)
(3200cal maintain weight)
if people in 2021 are working in an office 9-5, 5 days a week(8 hours x 5 days=40 hours)
(2100cal maintain weight)

if someone in an office job is eating the same diet as an active worker. the office worker would gain 50% excess calories per day, every day, and with less exercise happening to a point of atleast 50%.
thats 100% too much

That argument is very nice but you forget that someone working in an office is not hungry for 3500 calories. If I eat 8 times a day based on sugars, maybe he will end up eating them, but it is not usual. Again, this is about hormones, not calories.

over all i would not say government are causing obesity.
capitalist industry is. but it seems the government are not doing enough to educate people and not doing enough to regulate industry to prevent capitalism from making people fat

capitalism is the economic philosophy of favouring industry control over government/citizen control
communism is the economic philosophy of favouring government control over industry/citizen control
socialism is the economic philosophy of favouring citizen control over government/industry control

I didn't think of you as a commie. But lately I like commies. There are quite a few on this board and they are nice people.

[franky1]

im actually more socialism/liberal
im not into government control of citizens. but happy that they should regulate industry to protect citizens
if businesses want citizens money. they should earn it the right way

anyways
what you are forgetting in regards to the hormone (hunger/reward) cycle is

your body needs glucose(simple sugar) for energy.
if you eat simple fat. your body has to if active break that down into sugar. to then feel the reward.
if inactive, keep it ready for later convertion

i call this the christmas turkey delay. you know the lathargic feeling after you eat because your body is (even when sat down) working hard to convert it.
going for a walk after christmas dinner converts it to sugar and you feel good in a slow progressive manner of feeling the energy.. but not 'buzzed' in an instant.

where as having candy/energy drink/sugar in coffee. your body has a sudden acces to sugar so is an instant high of feel good

however
lazing around after a christmas dinner. it converts it/keeps it as free flowing fat.
lazing after candy and water.. converts it to harder fats.

the more complex fat. the harder to convert down to sugar so you then get the 'hunger' feeling more
this is why candy eaters get hungry feeling alot even if they had more calories than body needs.
its converted to lard and then begs for sugar because converting it back takes too long

[Oshosondy]

Even the government do not give me the food I eat, government do not tell me what to do, I follow what nutritionists say, I read health books very well. Is it the government that will tell me how I should live my life, that I should take my bath, brush my teeth, and tell me specific food to eat, that is not possible, I will do all these by myself, I have the way I eat, I am not a sick person, I am not obesed, I am just of normal weight and I eat healthy. Only what I know my government are helpful about is that they do not provide employment, high inflation rate, poor economy and growing amount of poor people.

[blackened515]

Even the government do not give me the food I eat, government do not tell me what to do, I follow what nutritionists say, I read health books very well. Is it the government that will tell me how I should live my life, that I should take my bath, brush my teeth, and tell me specific food to eat, that is not possible, I will do all these by myself, I have the way I eat, I am not a sick person, I am not obesed, I am just of normal weight and I eat healthy. Only what I know my government are helpful about is that they do not provide employment, high inflation rate, poor economy and growing amount of poor people.

The government officials are just there for their selfish interest. They don't care how you are doing. You have to work hard for the food you eat, the water you bath. Oxygen is basically the only thing we don't pay for. The government have no in anyway made me fat.

[Poker Player]

im actually more socialism/liberal

Oviously, that was a joke.

im not into government control of citizens. but happy that they should regulate industry to protect citizens
if businesses want citizens money. they should earn it the right way

anyways
what you are forgetting in regards to the hormone (hunger/reward) cycle is

your body needs glucose(simple sugar) for energy.
if you eat simple fat. your body has to if active break that down into sugar. to then feel the reward.
if inactive, keep it ready for later convertion

i call this the christmas turkey delay. you know the lathargic feeling after you eat because your body is (even when sat down) working hard to convert it.
going for a walk after christmas dinner converts it to sugar and you feel good in a slow progressive manner of feeling the energy.. but not 'buzzed' in an instant.

where as having candy/energy drink/sugar in coffee. your body has a sudden acces to sugar so is an instant high of feel good
...

Getting sleepy after eating only happens if you are insulin resistant. Since I reversed my insulin resistance I usually eat more than 1K Kcal per meal and I don't get sleepy or anything.

Another thing is that at Christmas dinner you may have eaten 2000 Kcal plus a lot of alcohol, but that has nothing to do with what you explain that fat has to break down into sugar, because precisely on those occasions you usually eat a lot of sugar.

[franky1]

guess you dont eat much turkey.

point was. sugar is an instant hit. an instant rush of energy.. fat is a slow drawn out release.
when it comes to sugars the different sugars release at different times, longevity.
as do fats.
glucose is the one thats super instant hit. dextrose ise more laggy.
as for fats
simplex fats convert to glucose easiest where as complex fats take even longer.
if your not burning the glucose while its in glucose format. your body can skip the stage of converting to simplex fat and turn glucose straight to complex fats.

so its about working out what activity you have planned. if its early active activity needed sooner than 90 minutes. go the sugar direction. if its moderate prolonged activity. go for a small diet of mix(sugar nearer to the time you need most energy)
if it completely sedentary then small diet of fat.(not excess or that will be turned to complex fats)

just stay away from sugar water if sedentary. or it will just be wasted as sugar and just go straight to complex fats(lard). usually lingering around your organs instead of getting to the skin deep level.

yep high sugar consumers with sedentary lifestyles sometimes look thin on the outside. but have alot of internal organ (visceral) fat

[Oshosondy]

The government officials are just there for their selfish interest. They don't care how you are doing. You have to work hard for the food you eat, the water you bath. Oxygen is basically the only thing we don't pay for. The government have no in anyway made me fat.

Yes, that is just it, is it the government we must face or we ourselves, our body process food differently, the meal we eat might not be the same. Some people wish to get fat but are not far, some want to slim and require another diet, government even do not care about anything than ourselves to care for ourselves, nothing like the government should we involve in this but ourselves.

Getting sleepy after eating only happens if you are insulin resistant. Since I reversed my insulin resistance I usually eat more than 1K Kcal per meal and I don't get sleepy or anything.

If I eat, I do feel sleepy, but it will go after like 30 minutes after I feel sleepy, I notice this most when I am at work. But during real working day, I will not feel sleepy because I am walking and working around, but being on chair will trigger sleep after eating, it is not about insulin resistant or something but we have different nature, most people I know do say this that they do fell sleepy too.

[Poker Player]

guess you dont eat much turkey.

Nope. Very rarely.

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It seems to me that we are going to be in pretty good agreement on these points. For a sedentary person, the worst thing you can do is a diet high in simple sugars/carbohydrates. With more physical activity you can get more carbs into the diet.

I think it is more important not to eat too frequently, no more than 3 times a day than to eat carbs or not, also depending on physical activity. I don't know if on the issue of meal frequency you would agree.

Nowadays many people eat more than 6 times a day: breakfast, lunch, dinner, 3 snacks in between but between meals and snacks they also drink coffee with sugar or some sugary drink or with milk, so they do not stop provoking insulin peaks.

Getting sleepy after eating only happens if you are insulin resistant. Since I reversed my insulin resistance I usually eat more than 1K Kcal per meal and I don't get sleepy or anything.

If I eat, I do feel sleepy, but it will go after like 30 minutes after I feel sleepy, I notice this most when I am at work. But during real working day, I will not feel sleepy because I am walking and working around, but being on chair will trigger sleep after eating, it is not about insulin resistant or something but we have different nature, most people I know do say this that they do fell sleepy too.

Precisely, although you say it is not, that is the most typical symptom of insulin resistance. It doesn't happen to me anymore. It used to happen to me.

[Oshosondy]

Precisely, although you say it is not, that is the most typical symptom of insulin resistance. It doesn't happen to me anymore. It used to happen to me.

My comment is based on experience and the questions I have asked from friends and people around me, none has opposed this before, I do not want to go into insulin resistance, it is completely normal for a healthy human to feel sleepy after meal if he is not doing anything like work. I checked the search engines now, you can check what I saw

https://time.com/5515553/sleepy-after-eating/
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323379
https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2016/10/04/why-do-we-feel-sleepy-after-eating-a-meal.html
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323379#:~:text=An%20amino%20acid%20called%20tryptophan,make%20a%20person%20feel%20sleepy.

I do not have insulin resistance, my body process glucose accurately, I am not diabetic, but you can say increase in blood sugar and protein after meal can caused it, this is completely normal.

[Poker Player]

I do not have insulin resistance,

You don't know for sure if you have insulin resistance or not if you haven't been tested. Another thing is that there are very indicative symptoms.

my body process glucose accurately,  I am not diabetic,

You see, you just don't understand what I'm saying. Insulin resistance is not equal to diabetes. Many people are insulin resistant and not diabetic. And just because you have normal sugar levels does not indicate how much insulin your body is secreting to keep it at normal levels.

it is completely normal for a healthy human to feel sleepy after meal if he is not doing anything like work.

I must be an alien, then, since I have managed not to feel sleepy after eating on purpose. With so many people having insulin resistance these days, no wonder you say that. Nowadays a predominantly carbohydrate based diet is the norm, just as it is quite normal to have insulin resistance (even if your blood sugar tests come back fine). So, the normal thing is to feel sleepy after eating. Logical.

The links you put are very good, and here I should qualify. I generally don't feel sleepy, even if I eat carbs. However, if after a long fast and physical exercise I eat a large meal based mostly on carbohydrates (we can add alcohol) and for dessert a large amount of sugars, I do feel sleepy. Like after a Christmas meal.

[Lordhermes]

Government has not made me fat in anyway.We have been working hard to make ends meet.No employment anywhere,this is just what we have to do to help ourselves. I know government have made people fat in some countries,but my country, they hardly look at your face .