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Author Topic: I think Bitcoin is great as an asset and not as a Currency.  (Read 1032 times)
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June 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
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Bitcoin was created to be p2p payment method and remove the governments and any related organization in payment systems whenever you send a transaction. But, since the price is not stable and sometimes there are really high fess, this cannot be a good payment system, however, some people even the highest transaction fees are reasonable, depending in the case. As an asset, Bitcoin gave us real high profits and there are many advantage on it that people may know. I believe bitcoin can be a good payment method if you know where/when/how to use it.

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June 13, 2021, 09:30:30 AM
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Yes I know people use it to buy and sell stuff but the majority people are hodlers let me give you a simple example

You are a normal working man and is paid salary in Bitcoin, your salary is 20,000$ so your company gives you that much worth of bitcoin as salary, now the Bitcoin prices rises which means you 20k salary becomes 25-30k or more which is obviously very very good but what if that 20k become 15-10k so tell me is that a steady income every person has his calculations that he will this much and save this much but now the price has dropped so your whole monthly planning is messed up, your expenses are same as before but your salary is not same, now do you think is a great idea to adopt is as a currency.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY GIVE SUCH EXAMPLES THEY THINK I HAVE PROBLEM WITH BITCOIN'S VOLATILITY, NO I DON'T I HAVE 0% PROB WITH IT I AM A FULL TIME TRADER, this might have happened to you if you are trading in crypto you might have plans to buy something but the prices go downs so ob you won't be able to buy that unless BTC restores it's price, majority of us a are a trader and we know that BTC will rise again but what about regular people they don't what will happen when will it go up or down they just want their money to fulfil their dreams.

One more thing GOD FORBID if anything happens to you or anyone in your family and let us assume Bitcoin is legal everywhere and you have to pay operation fees which is 34,000$ = almost 1 BTC acc to current market price, so you are about to pay 1 BTC and the prices went down to 28,000 then you have shortfall of 6000$ how will you arrange that ?

See there are many economical problems to use Bitcoin as a currency.

Bottom line, the issue is the high volatility of Bitcoin. Am I right?
I don't think you don't have a problem with Bitcoin's volatility. Base on your example from your statement, you're pointing out that Bitcoin's volatile nature is the major economical problem for it to be used as a currency.
Correct me If I'm wrong.
However, I somehow get your point and It's very obvious that majority of Bitcoin owners are either hodlers or traders and isn't usually used as a currency. But there are some Bitcoin supporters that are actually using it as a currency.

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June 13, 2021, 09:47:25 AM
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I am already satisfied although bitcoin is only as an assets and something that help us send money over the world. Maybe for currency will need more time and adoption is something that we can't do in a short time.  We need to get regulation first so big company started to use it as payment, and then people itself, like small shop, traditional seller, etc will start to accept it as payment too.

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June 13, 2021, 09:55:57 AM
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Bitcoin was created to be p2p payment method and remove the governments and any related organization in payment systems whenever you send a transaction. But, since the price is not stable and sometimes there are really high fess, this cannot be a good payment system, however, some people even the highest transaction fees are reasonable, depending in the case. As an asset, Bitcoin gave us real high profits and there are many advantage on it that people may know. I believe bitcoin can be a good payment method if you know where/when/how to use it.
Many people have come to crypto and invest Bitcoin not because they will use this for payment alternative to fiat money but the majority of them are thinking of returns as an investment. This is not really the intent of the creator, however, Bitcoin is fully accepted as a legal currency so people have no choice but to consider this as an asset.
I also believe that Bitcoin could be soon realized as a form of currency and widely use to the community but something we need years to see it.



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June 13, 2021, 12:06:42 PM
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I agree, but I just think if a currency has become successful as Bitcoin, people would consider it as an asset as well. All currencies can be considered asset. But non of them made it from the top as compared with Bitcoin.

The only problem is that. Asset should have consistency to its price at least. Growth should be slow but appreciation is effective in the long run.  Assets appreciate slower than other investment instruments. I'm not saying that Bitcoin is an investment instrument but people treat it that way.

Well, the best thing to do here is to take advantage of Bitcoin for what it offers. Regardless of the use, as long as its taken advantage to make some growth then that is basically it.
 

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June 13, 2021, 12:20:42 PM
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I agree with your thoughts and I also think it.  At present most people are using Bitcoin not as a currency but as a resource.Most people are reluctant to use bitcoin as a medium of exchange as its value is always volatile. Most people, on the other hand, want to exchange and complete the necessary transactions in a stable system. Investing in Bitcoin is a Profitable Way Many like you consider it a valuable asset such as gold. However, it can be used as a conventional currency if it has no price volatility or is stable.So your idea would be reasonable in the context of the present time as it may have multifaceted uses in the future.
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Bottom line, the issue is the high volatility of Bitcoin. Am I right?
Bitcoin adoption and the size of the bitcoin market are both still tiny in the grand scheme of things. If bitcoin ever reaches a significant proportion of the global population, then the issue of volatility largely resolves itself. With billions of people using bitcoin daily and trillions of dollars worth of buy and sell orders on the books, then any price fluctuations will be minimal and will not affect its use as a currency, just as no one thinks about how the dollar they spent today is always worth less than the dollar they spent yesterday thanks to inflation.

However, I somehow get your point and It's very obvious that majority of Bitcoin owners are either hodlers or traders and isn't usually used as a currency.
Is it? Why is that obvious? Just because traders are more vocal doesn't necessarily mean that they are in the majority. Traders tend to discuss strategies with each other - people using bitcoin as a currency don't tend to discuss what they've just bought with each other. I use bitcoin as a currency almost daily, but I don't start threads talking about my purchases.
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Bitcoin is great for an asset and currency because bitcoin can cross the border and be used in all countries. If you use bitcoin as an asset, you do not have to sell bitcoin for daily use, but you will use bitcoin for the investment and sell only if the price increases. You can use the other crypto as the currency and in the cryptocurrency, there are stable coins that you can use as a currency. You do not have to worry about the volatility of bitcoin price, and you can hold your bitcoin until you decide to sell it later.
basically this is like an assessment as well as the perception of each person responding to many things related to bitcoin, they really judge it because of what they know and maybe some of them don't really understand and learn it further.
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I agree with you, although maybe initially bitcoin is intended to be a currency, however now it is really becoming an asset, not a currency. It has so many things lacking to be used as a currency, the volatility and uncommonness are one of them. bitcoin is not common yet, it is not convenient to be used as a currency, and it's really volatile, it might lose the value any time, not good as a currency. However, for an asset, bitcoin has so many great advantages. I guess it's quite clear too that majority of bitcoin user choose bitcoin as an asset or investment, not as alternative currency.

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I believe it is a better currency than fiat because with fiat they can just print more, which is why I don't like cryptos like dogecoin which can print more.  It should be a stable supply, the only thing that makes bitcoin not so good as a currency is slow transactions and high transaction fees.  Maybe lightning network will help with that.
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For me, bitcoin are both asset and currency. Actually,  Bitcoin is a digital asset designed by Satoshi Nakamoto to work as a currency. It means bitcoin stands as asset and currency at the same time. It's up to you if how you will use your bitcoin.

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I am seeing great news from India, although they have given notices to crypto exchanges in the Chinese scam applications, the Indian govt is also thinking about considering Bitcoin as an asset.
https://news.bitcoin.com/indian-government-regulate-crypto-asset-class/

Its still in speculation mode but anything in the positive direction is appreciable.

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June 13, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
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And to be honest I don’t like the concept of HODLING because it is a CRYPTOCURRENCY not a CRYPTOASSET, assets are meant to be hold and not currencies, Do you store use no right you spend them on things you love and buy it and that makes a country’s economy stable because their currency is trading each and every day, use, yen, euro, etc are regularly circulating and no on is holding it.
Read Gresham’s law, the law states that bad money drives out good money, what this means is that if there are two forms of money and one is a store of value while the other is not then the people are going to keep the one that holds value and keep using and spend the one that losses it, there are many examples of this going as far back as Athens, this is what is happening, people are not using bitcoin as a currency not because it is lacking but because it is too good for that purpose right now.
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June 13, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
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I believe it is a better currency than fiat because with fiat they can just print more, which is why I don't like cryptos like dogecoin which can print more.
The fact that Dogecoin isn't deflationary doesn't mean that it's the same with fiat. In fiat, an entity decides the inflation rate, but in Dogecoin it is standard, which is 10000 DOGE every block. What you don't like is that they're both inflationary, but remember that they differ.

Read Gresham’s law, the law states that bad money drives out good money
You don't have to read anyone's law; just use your common sense. A currency that has a fixed amount of tradable units is being adopted by more people overtime. So, while the supply increases slowly, the demand increases rabidly as a way to escape the traditional financial system.

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We have all really talked too much about this. For me I don't think it should be a problem, it's up to you and what you want to use Bitcoin for. It's not a must that everyone is going to use it for the same thing.

We can use the USD as an example: there are people who use the USD as a store of value, and there are also people who use it as a currency for their day to day transactions. Bitcoin is no different from the USD, so it's all about what you want to be using your own Bitcoin for, you can decide to be using it as a store of value, or you can decide to be using it as a currency. You can even use it as both, it's all your choice. I use it as both, I have a wallet where I am storing Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as assets, and I have a wallet that I use for day to day transactions.

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I am seeing great news from India, although they have given notices to crypto exchanges in the Chinese scam applications, the Indian govt is also thinking about considering Bitcoin as an asset.
https://news.bitcoin.com/indian-government-regulate-crypto-asset-class/

Its still in speculation mode but anything in the positive direction is appreciable.
the government prefers Bitcoin to be called an asset and they are leading opinions to there. but broadly speaking, Bitcoin is a currency, where you send millions of dollars in 1 transaction with low fees and without banks.

because I'm not part of the government then I prefer to call Bitcoin a currency.

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June 13, 2021, 11:28:21 PM
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I am seeing great news from India, although they have given notices to crypto exchanges in the Chinese scam applications, the Indian govt is also thinking about considering Bitcoin as an asset.
https://news.bitcoin.com/indian-government-regulate-crypto-asset-class/

Its still in speculation mode but anything in the positive direction is appreciable.
the government prefers Bitcoin to be called an asset and they are leading opinions to there. but broadly speaking, Bitcoin is a currency, where you send millions of dollars in 1 transaction with low fees and without banks.

because I'm not part of the government then I prefer to call Bitcoin a currency.

For now Bitcoin is way too volatile to be a currency. That is the truth. Would you want to use gold as a currency? No, because it is too volatile. We are ages away from calculating in BTC. It is an asset for now, an important asset that has influence on the whole world.

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June 13, 2021, 11:33:39 PM
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We have all really talked too much about this. For me I don't think it should be a problem, it's up to you and what you want to use Bitcoin for. It's not a must that everyone is going to use it for the same thing.
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yea.. actually this is not something to be debated anyway.
everyone has different goals in utilizing cryptocurrencies, especially bitcoin. some use bitcoin because it is practical, fast delivery without complicated processes and administration if they want to send money abroad, some use bitcoin for investment purposes because its value tends to increase from time to time.
see.. it all depends on each individual. bitcoin does have many benefits, use it as needed and you will get optimal profit and satisfaction. Is not it?

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June 14, 2021, 03:26:19 AM
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Bitcoin is great for an asset and currency because bitcoin can cross the border and be used in all countries. If you use bitcoin as an asset, you do not have to sell bitcoin for daily use, but you will use bitcoin for the investment and sell only if the price increases. You can use the other crypto as the currency and in the cryptocurrency, there are stable coins that you can use as a currency. You do not have to worry about the volatility of bitcoin price, and you can hold your bitcoin until you decide to sell it later.
basically this is like an assessment as well as the perception of each person responding to many things related to bitcoin, they really judge it because of what they know and maybe some of them don't really understand and learn it further.
If they can learn more about bitcoin, they will know what benefit of bitcoin. But if they do not learn how to use bitcoin, they will not interest and they will abandon bitcoin without thinking about bitcoin can help their lives. That is what people will say about bitcoin. People do not have to learn more details about bitcoin if they want to use bitcoin in their daily lives.

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June 14, 2021, 07:56:53 AM
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Bitcoin is a currency, it's just  a not very convenient one because of volatility and occasional high fees. But any currency has some drawbacks, fiat currency gets devalued with inflation, while Bitcoin has no such problems, so you can just store it yourself without the need to invest it somewhere. Store of value is also an aspect of money, money is not simply a unit of exchange.

I think, this sums it up, bitcoin depends on how will you use it or how you will make it valuable for you.

Bitcoin is now considered a currency because it is typically a money in the digital world, it is not only a thing for an exchange.

You can store it, trade it, make transactions with it, or depending on how are you determined to make it grow.


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