New Data points to antivaxers getting sick from covid and vaxers not getting sic

[philipma1957]

Yahoo article says 19 to 1 ratios in the hospitals

USA TODAY
People hospitalized with COVID-19 now have one overwhelming thing in common. They're not vaccinated.
Elizabeth Weise and Aleszu Bajak, USA TODAY
Wed, June 16, 2021, 10:48 AM
In Minnesota, the HealthPartners system has seen a “precipitous decline” in COVID-19 hospitalizations, says Dr. Mark Sannes, an infectious disease physician and senior medical director for the system, which operates nine hospitals and more than 55 clinics. But now, nearly every admitted patient he does see is unvaccinated.

“Less than 1% of our hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated," he said.

In Ohio, at University Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center, only 2% of the COVID-19 patients admitted in the last month were vaccinated, said Dr. Robert Salata, the hospital's physician-in-chief.

And at Sanford Health, which runs 44 medical centers and more than 200 clinics across the Dakotas, Minnesota and Iowa, less than 5% of the 1,456 patients admitted with COVID-19 so far this year were fully vaccinated, said spokesperson Angela Dejene.

Falling rates of COVID-19 across the United States mask a harsh reality – the overwhelming majority of those getting sick and being hospitalized today are unvaccinated, while vaccinated patients are becoming rare.

Hospitals in states with the lowest vaccination rates tend to have more COVID-19 patients in intensive care units, according to hospital data collected in the past week by the Department of Health and Human Services and vaccination rates published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Wyoming, Missouri, Arkansas and Idaho currently have the highest percentage of COVID-19 patients on average in their ICUs; those states all have vaccinated less than 40% of their population.

Medical centers say there's also an obvious change in the age of their sickest patients, as older people are much more likely to be vaccinated than younger.

"We're all seeing the same thing – when someone does get sick and comes to the hospital, they're much more likely to be young and unvaccinated," said Dr. Robert Wachter, professor and chair of the Department of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

Cathy Bennett, president and CEO of the New Jersey Hospital Association, said the picture is the same in her state.

"As COVID vaccinations rolled out across New Jersey, there’s been a major shift in the ages of patients admitted to the hospital," said Bennett. "Unlike last spring, when those 65 and older accounted for the majority of hospitalizations, we’re now seeing more young people hospitalized with COVID."

In Ohio, Salata said the shift should be reassuring, showing the vaccines work.

"It sends a very strong message to the hesitancy people out there because the data speaks for itself," he said.

'It's not all about you'

Doctors say there are multiple reasons people aren't yet vaccinated. There are the hesitant, who still have questions and sometimes fall prey to misinformation, and the opposed, who often harbor anti-government or anti-science sentiments.

"We've had a little success when we've spoken to them on a one-to-one basis. We can give them the information that they need to make their decision," said Dr. Gerald Maloney, chief medical officer for hospital services at Geisinger health network, which runs nine hospitals in Pennsylvania.

Some still can't easily access vaccine, either because it's not available nearby or because they can't get time off work.

And while the U.S. government paid for all vaccines and vaccinations so no one should be charged, others remain fearful they will be on the financial hook for a shot, Maloney said.

Eleanor Leisenring speaks with Cheryl McHale, RN, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine at a Geisinger community vaccine center in Danville, Pa.
Eleanor Leisenring speaks with Cheryl McHale, RN, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine at a Geisinger community vaccine center in Danville, Pa.
Last week, Health and Human Services secretary Secretary Xavier Becerra clarified in a letter that providers may not bill patients for COVID-19 vaccines.

There's still a lot of work to be done to create the trust necessary for these groups to embrace vaccination, Maloney said.

"The people who say, 'It's my body, my choice?' Well, it's not all about you," he said. "It's also about the people that you're around."

At this point, every vaccination is a win, one more person who can't pass the virus along. That's especially true in families where children can't be vaccinated and are still at risk.

At Akron Children’s Hospital in Ohio, “we have not seen any kiddos who have been admitted to the hospital who have been vaccinated,” said Dr. Michael Bigham, a pediatric intensivist in the critical care unit.

Among children 11 and younger, who can’t yet get the vaccine, having vaccinated family members is keeping them out of the hospital, and protecting them against MIS-C, the multisystem inflammatory syndrome that can be a rare but dangerous aftereffect of a COVID-19 infection in children.

“Most of the kids we’re seeing in the hospital with COVID or MIS-C had COVID in their household, maybe a parent or a grandparent, and most of those individuals had not been vaccinated,” he said.

The message from health care workers is unanimous: They just aren't seeing many vaccinated people get sick.

In New Jersey, the percentage of COVID-19 hospitalizations among those ages 18 to 29 has increased 58% since the beginning of the year. By comparison, the percentage of COVID-19 hospitalizations among the 65 and older age group – with a statewide vaccination rate of more than 80% – declined by 31.2%.

The numbers are no coincidence, Bennett said.

"Vaccination," she said, "works in preventing severe COVID illness."

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Majority of COVID-19 hospital patients in US now unvaccinated, younger


Note  I copy paste from yahoo

[Charles-Tim]

I think the vaccine is proving to be effective if vaccinated patients are far less in the hospitals while non-vaccinated patients are over 95% or more in the hospital according to what I read above. Like me, I am not taking any vaccine, but this is just because no sign of the virus in my state, not even in my neighboring states, this makes me to have the strong opinion that I am not taking the vacinne. But I will not speak against people not to have it no more because I think the positive result of people that take the vaccine are high, only very few are complaning of blood clots and some other adverse effect. Before, the old people are the ones more admitted in the hospitals as they are more susceptible to the virus, but now the young people that are not taking the vacinne are more susceptible to the virus even than the old people, I am not saying someone should take the vaccine, but this points is proving how the vaccine may be very important to reduce the spread.

[philipma1957]

Whether you vax or don't vax you are betting your life.

Time will tell which is the better bet.
It is possible and maybe likely that

if you vax you will win.        this may turn out to be 99.95 to  99.99 % you win
if you don't vax you will win this may tune out to be 99.00 to 99.50% you win

And MSM got everyone pissed off about numbers in the ballpark of what I am saying.

1 to 5 out of 10000 vaxers dead

vs

50 to 100 out of 10000 antivaxers dead

in both case plenty of winners.

Time will tell.

[Vatimins]

     Seeing a post with a topic like this, I cannot stop myself from waiting for what badecker has to say about this again(excuse me for this). 

     But seriously though, being from a city that has many cases and have experienced first hand having close friends die from covid, I am more in favor of getting vaccinated. I mean, if it means I can protect my loved ones from suffering the same fate as some of my close friends and their families, I would gladly take the risk. Although it is very scary since the vaccines available today are still very young and has too little data to study about, the thought of being the reason for your loved ones getting infected scares me more. (I am sure people like me who have no choice but to leave the comfort of their homes every day to make a living understands how I feel.)

[BADecker]

Both, USA Today and Yahoo have articles on VAERS. If either of them happened to miss the Harvard School of Medicine study, maybe they aren't looking hard enough.

VAERS says over 5,000 dead from the vaccines. Harvard says VAERS gets less than 1% of the reports. Okay, so there are mistakes made. But they are little mistakes. There are easily 50,000 dead in the USA from the vaccines. But the mistakes might have been the other way. There might be nearly a million dead from the vaccines.

But who cares. You gotta go sometime. If you think you need a vaccine for simple vitamin D deficiency called Covid, have at the vaccine.

Some people are suicidal. They hear about VAERS and the Harvard study. They get the vaxx. And they don't die. They get a bunch more VAXX's and they still don't die. So, they are frustrated with the fact that they have such a strong immune system.

If you have any friends like this, tell 'em to just wait a few more months.

[philipma1957]

So I read your link on budesondie.

It is helpful and reduced hospital need.

Much like seatbelts help in a car accident.

But do I want to get into a car accident and pray the seatbelt saves me.

Still looking for vaccine death numbers in the numbers you state

cant find them yet.

Hey if the numbers show that no vax works well good one less shot.

So I would need to see about 4000000 dead from vax for it to be clearly worse than covid

right now worldometers says 3.8 million dead from covid.

so lets say lots of good seatbelts like budesonide work and drop number to 2 million

vaxs kill 1 million

which game do you want to play.

the one with 2 million dead ☠️
or the one with 1 million dead ☠️

So far you look to play the dead with 3.8 million which pretend should have been 2 million with good treatments.

for you to be correct with vaxing i will give you that even 500000 clearly dead from vax is enough for concern.

so show me good vax dead 💀 stats.

Your steroid stats look like many could have been saved with early steroid over late ventilator.

[philipma1957]

^^^ You just haven't gone far enough.

First, there is no Covid... at least that anybody can find - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg57248441#msg57248441. So, the 2 million dead is a lie.

Second, there are other things that work better than Budesonide... like simple vitamin D, or Ivermectin -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311897.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5334591.0
Ivermectin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg57234467#msg57234467

Basically, Covid is a vitamin D deficiency, like scurvy is a vitamin C deficiency, and beriberi is a vitamin B1 deficiency.

So we have the Covid medical lie killing off some people during the flu season, because it was only the flu. And we have the Covid medical lie killing off loads of people because it was a simple v-D deficiency. And we have the Covid medical lie of ventilators killing off loads of people when simple oxygen would have saved many.  And we have the Covid medical lie of not using all kinds of other standard meds, killing off loads of people - HCQ is in standard use in Africa for Malaria, and they barely had any Covid deaths. And the biggest medical lie of all is that the Covid vaccine has any effect on protecting people from what they call Covid, and doing it safely.

And on top of that, it seems that the USA and the UK are places where the lying part of the medical has more freedom than the truth-telling part of medical. And that is why Americans don't know about the alternative research that shows the things I just mentioned above.

But it is coming out. It's easier to find. But you have to look, and you have to know that you should look, before you can start looking.

please. that's is a delete.

try again

I bolded the reason I deleted

covid is real .

I had it

 my wife had it

so try again.

I found this https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e2.htm

and it claims 88 died after being vaxxed by the double johnson vax.

so 8,000,000 to 88 odds.

that means 40 x 8,000,000 = 320,000,000. which would be

40 x 88 = 3520 dead.


so if all the usa took the double johnson 3520 would die.

and so far 600,000 died of covid.

so if I pick a game to play I am picking thr game with 3520 dead ☠️ not the game with 600000 dead.

Now I get you believe 0 died of covid-19 and it is okay for you to believe that.

It is not okay to state it as a fact.

It is okay to say I do not believe covid-19 is real.


do you understand that?

Btw I am watching the johnson son and Johnson match on tv

two chicks are bowling against each other and they are liz johnson and stef johnson.

so I used johnson and johnson as the vaccine.

do you have other J&J info I used veers like you said and they said 88 of 8000000.

[BADecker]

^^^ You just haven't gone far enough.

First, there is no Covid... at least that anybody can find - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg57248441#msg57248441. So, the 2 million dead is a lie.

Second, there are other things that work better than Budesonide... like simple vitamin D, or Ivermectin -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311897.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5334591.0
Ivermectin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg57234467#msg57234467

Basically, Covid is a vitamin D deficiency, like scurvy is a vitamin C deficiency, and beriberi is a vitamin B1 deficiency.

So we have the Covid medical lie killing off some people during the flu season, because it was only the flu. And we have the Covid medical lie killing off loads of people because it was a simple v-D deficiency. And we have the Covid medical lie of ventilators killing off loads of people when simple oxygen would have saved many.  And we have the Covid medical lie of not using all kinds of other standard meds, killing off loads of people - HCQ is in standard use in Africa for Malaria, and they barely had any Covid deaths. And the biggest medical lie of all is that the Covid vaccine has any effect on protecting people from what they call Covid, and doing it safely.

And on top of that, it seems that the USA and the UK are places where the lying part of the medical has more freedom than the truth-telling part of medical. And that is why Americans don't know about the alternative research that shows the things I just mentioned above.

But it is coming out. It's easier to find. But you have to look, and you have to know that you should look, before you can start looking.

please. that's is a delete.

try again

I bolded the reason I deleted

covid is real .

I had it

 my wife had it

so try again.

I found this https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e2.htm

and it claims 88 died after being vaxxed by the double johnson vax.

so 8,000,000 to 88 odds.

that means 40 x 8,000,000 = 320,000,000. which would be

40 x 88 = 3520 dead.


so if all the usa took the double johnson 3520 would die.

and so far 600,000 died of covid.

so if I pick a game to play I am picking thr game with 3520 dead ☠️ not the game with 600000 dead.

Now I get you believe 0 died of covid-19 and it is okay for you to believe that.

It is not okay to state it as a fact.

It is okay to say I do not believe covid-19 is real.


do you understand that?

Btw I am watching the johnson son and Johnson match on tv

two chicks are bowling against each other and they are liz johnson and stef johnson.

so I used johnson and johnson as the vaccine.

do you have other J&J info I used veers like you said and they said 88 of 8000000.

Just as I said. You barely looked at the info available.

Did your wife live? But did you get some of the lung material from her, and take it to a lab, and isolate the virus yourself, or are you simply believing the BS of a bunch of doctors who never isolated it either?

Of course it is okay to tell the truth. Covid-19 is real, but nobody knows that it is a virus. And nobody has quite put together what it really is... government take-over, money reset, population reduction, etc.

HCQ + zinc + Azithromycin, or Budesonide, or best of all Ivermectin, are curing Covid the virus or whatever it is, in just a few days.

And the vaxx is killing people to the tune of probably more that 500,000 in the States already. VAERS and Harvard say so. If you want to believe the medical, why don't you believe this and all the rest of the more truthfull contradictions that they have against what you believe.

You have a Covid-Vaxx religion going for yourself.

[Natsuu]

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Just as I said. You barely looked at the info available.

Did your wife live? But did you get some of the lung material from her, and take it to a lab, and isolate the virus yourself, or are you simply believing the BS of a bunch of doctors who never isolated it either?

You always tell this to someone, especially for people like this. Why not try this, cause they've experienced it and here you are acting like someone who contradicts the reasons that is pointed at them in real life.

There's a ton of researches that ISOLATED the virus, yet you haven't believed yet. Many people in this forum have already spam a lot of researches that do so, yet here you are still pretending theres none -_-

[BADecker]

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Just as I said. You barely looked at the info available.

Did your wife live? But did you get some of the lung material from her, and take it to a lab, and isolate the virus yourself, or are you simply believing the BS of a bunch of doctors who never isolated it either?

You always tell this to someone, especially for people like this. Why not try this, cause they've experienced it and here you are acting like someone who contradicts the reasons that is pointed at them in real life.

There's a ton of researches that ISOLATED the virus, yet you haven't believed yet. Many people in this forum have already spam a lot of researches that do so, yet here you are still pretending theres none -_-

Are you saying the "IT" is an isolated virus? Or are you saying that the "IT" is what somebody told you was an isolated virus.

Can you find us these?... many videos of researchers isolating the virus using Koch's or Rivers' Postulates, where they explain the process to the camera as they do the steps. And include their lab notebooks entries that they have dated and signed as any good researcher does.

Why don't they use Koch's and Rivers'? Because they couldn't find any viruses, or enough excuses for viruses to make them practical to use.

Why couldn't they find any viruses or excuses? Because there aren't any viruses, and not many excuses.

So, what did they do to make it look like there are viruses (so they could stay in business)? They developed a method for putting puzzle pieces of little sequences of RNA/DNA together until they got something that resembled "life" in the virus-way they wanted.

In other words, possibly ALL the viruses we have identified are creations made by inventor-researchers in their labs, just to fool us into thinking that there are viruses. And it worked so well that even the inventor-researchers believe that they are isolating viruses this way.

They have the whole world fooled. If you don't like what I am telling you, simply go out there and find us some videos of researchers isolating the virus using Koch's or Rivers' Postulates, where they explain the process to the camera as they do the steps. We all would love to see this, and to contact the researchers to find out that they are real people.

[philipma1957]

Now to agree with badecker about 1 vaccine.

Looks like the double johnson or johnson 2x is a fail.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-hopes-johnson-johnsons-covid-120951061.html

The New York Times
High Hopes for Johnson & Johnson's COVID Vaccine Have Fizzled in the U.S.
Noah Weiland
Fri, June 18, 2021, 8:09 AM
WASHINGTON — When Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose coronavirus vaccine was authorized for emergency use in late February, ​it was seen as a breakthrough for reaching vulnerable and isolated Americans, a crucial alternative to vaccines that require two shots weeks apart and fussier storage. It was soon popular on college campuses, in door-to-door campaigns and with harder-to-reach communities that often struggle to access health care.

But with only 11.8 million doses administered in the United States — less than 4% of the total — the “one and done” vaccine has fallen flat. States have warned for weeks that they may not find recipients for millions of doses that will soon expire, partly because the vaccine’s appeal dropped after it was linked to a rare but serious blood-clotting disorder and injections were paused for 10 days in April.

The vaccine took another hit last week, when regulators told Johnson & Johnson that it should throw out tens of millions of additional doses produced at a plant in Baltimore because they might be contaminated. The diminished supply and enthusiasm for the shot mean that its role in the United States is fading fast, even though millions of Americans have yet to be vaccinated.

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“It’s just not what I think anybody would have hoped it would be when it came out,” said Dave Baden, chief financial officer of the Oregon Health Authority.

Health officials in a number of other states presented a similarly discouraging picture. The pause on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, they said, effectively kicked it aside for good; only about 3.5 million doses have been used since the pause was lifted April 23. Kim Deti, a spokesperson for the Wyoming Health Department, said the graph of uptake in her state told the vaccine’s story: a significant climb in the early weeks of its rollout, followed by a plateau that began around the pause.

State officials had initially hoped the Johnson & Johnson shot would be a workhorse: a versatile, easy-to-store tool they could stockpile at mass vaccination sites, quickly reaching thousands of people they would not need to track down for a second dose. But after demand dropped, their goals grew more modest.

It is being used in a smaller-bore fashion this week at the Fiesta festival in San Antonio, the College World Series in Omaha, Nebraska, a Juneteenth celebration in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and an aquarium in Long Beach, California. At a food bank in Reno, Nevada, 12 doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were administered Thursday, said Jocelyn Lantrip, director of marketing and communications for the Food Bank of Northern Nevada.

Between the small number of doses distributed and the lack of interest in them, public health experts say, the United States missed a critical opportunity to address health disparities with a vaccine that should have been ideal for reaching vulnerable populations. Dr. Chip Riggins, a regional medical director who oversees vaccine events in south central Louisiana, said that few organizers requested the shot anymore, even in a state with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country.

“In the early days of J&J, working with the African American community and the churches, the faith community here, it was a very, very popular option,” Riggins said. “It pains me that it isn’t being accepted like it was before the pause.”

Dr. José R. Romero, the Arkansas health secretary, called the shot’s fast decline a “lost opportunity” for reaching the vulnerable in his state.

“This is a vaccine that was very well-suited for populations where we have problems getting into,” he said. “We’re now at the point where it’s five people or three people; it doesn’t matter, we’ll open a vial.”

Riggins said he had limited success in recent months sending the vaccine to churches, casinos and even gas stations, including one in LaPlace, Louisiana, where organizers offered the shot Thursday. An international crew on a ship was elated to receive their shots last weekend, Riggins said. But not being able to fully protect more people with just a single dose, he added, was hindering the state’s progress.

Johnson & Johnson’s decline in the United States has dovetailed with decreasing demand for COVID vaccines overall. Nearly 30 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are sitting unused, as are about 25 million of Moderna’s. But a total of 135 million people have been fully immunized with those vaccines, 11 times more than with Johnson & Johnson’s. The two-dose vaccines have a higher efficacy rate overall — roughly 95% versus 72% for Johnson & Johnson’s — but studies showed that all three were highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death.

Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson’s CEO, said last week that he was still hopeful that the vaccine, which has been used in 25 countries, would help contain the pandemic overseas. The company has promised up to 400 million doses to the African Union. Separately, COVAX, the global vaccine-sharing program, is supposed to receive hundreds of millions of doses.

“We still believe that this is going to be a very important tool in the overall armamentarium,” Gorsky said at an event hosted by The Wall Street Journal.

But manufacturing problems at a factory in Baltimore run by Emergent BioSolutions, Johnson & Johnson’s subcontractor, have had serious consequences for the vaccine. Because of a major production mishap that resulted in a two-month shutdown in operations, Johnson & Johnson has essentially been forced to sit out the brunt of the pandemic in the United States while Pfizer and Moderna, the other federally authorized vaccine makers, provided almost all the nation’s vaccine stock.

Johnson & Johnson has had to throw out the equivalent of 75 million doses, and the regulatory authorities in Canada, South Africa and the European Union also decided to pull back millions more doses made at the Baltimore plant. The company has been able to deliver only one-fourth of the 100 million doses it promised the federal government by the end of this month.

Dr. Anne Zink, Alaska’s chief medical officer, said that in her state, Johnson & Johnson’s shot had become a victim of its own timing. By late February, when it was authorized by the Food and Drug Administration, Alaska had figured out how to get two-dose vaccines to remote areas, leaving the one-shot regimen less crucial than she had initially imagined.

Dr. Clay Marsh, West Virginia’s COVID-19 czar, said that the pause and Johnson & Johnson’s later authorization — more than two months after Pfizer’s and Moderna’s — deprived it of a “halo effect.” By the time West Virginia had an ample supply of all three vaccines, he said, “people started to get this concept that maybe there’s something better about being immunized with Pfizer and Moderna.”

The Johnson & Johnson shot had also suffered from a “social network effect,” said Andrew C. Anderson, a professor of public health at Tulane University who researches vaccine hesitancy. Most Americans who were inoculated in the early months of the vaccine campaign received Moderna and Pfizer shots, and so their friends and family were less likely to deviate and accept a different brand.

In Louisiana, hospitals in the New Orleans area have started offering the Johnson & Johnson shot to people on their way out of the emergency room; the thinking is that people will be more likely to accept the vaccine when a doctor who has treated them asks them to take it. And in Arkansas, where only one-third of the population is fully vaccinated, state officials are offering Johnson & Johnson doses to agriculture, manufacturing, wastewater and poultry workers, with gift certificates for hunting and fishing licenses as a reward.

“I don’t think that the book on J&J is closed,” said Dr. Joseph Kanter, Louisiana’s top health official. “It’s just not going to be a game changer.”

In West Virginia, officials are now hoping to use up some 20,000 doses of the shot at summer fairs and festivals and in parks, Marsh said. And in Oregon, Baden, the state health authority official, said that providers were working to exhaust about 150,000 doses in correctional facilities and higher-throughput sites in Portland. The sharp drop in interest, he said, was “tragic.”

Onisis Stefas, chief pharmacy officer at Northwell Health, New York state’s largest health care provider, said he was still working through the system’s original allocation of Johnson & Johnson from March — a sign that demand had shriveled long ago. Doctors’ offices have asked for as few as 10 doses at a time instead of the pack of 50 the vaccine typically comes in.

In Michigan, where more than 200,000 Johnson & Johnson doses sit unused, officials are racing to redistribute the vaccine to high-volume sites in hopes of administering them before they expire.

“It’s just kind of one after another negative news about the vaccine,” said Dr. Joneigh S. Khaldun, the chief medical executive in the state.

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

© 2021 The New York Times Company

I had 2 shots of pfizer 2nd one on may 4th or 5th.

Wife had hers same day.


So looks like the 2x johnson people got a poor mans version of a vaccine.

[BADecker]

Now to agree with badecker about 1 vaccine.

Looks like the double johnson or johnson 2x is a fail.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-hopes-johnson-johnsons-covid-120951061.html

The New York Times
High Hopes for Johnson & Johnson's COVID Vaccine Have Fizzled in the U.S.
Noah Weiland
Fri, June 18, 2021, 8:09 AM
WASHINGTON — When Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose coronavirus vaccine was authorized for emergency use in late February, ​it was seen as a breakthrough for reaching vulnerable and isolated Americans, a crucial alternative to vaccines that require two shots weeks apart and fussier storage. It was soon popular on college campuses, in door-to-door campaigns and with harder-to-reach communities that often struggle to access health care.

But with only 11.8 million doses administered in the United States — less than 4% of the total — the “one and done” vaccine has fallen flat. States have warned for weeks that they may not find recipients for millions of doses that will soon expire, partly because the vaccine’s appeal dropped after it was linked to a rare but serious blood-clotting disorder and injections were paused for 10 days in April.

The vaccine took another hit last week, when regulators told Johnson & Johnson that it should throw out tens of millions of additional doses produced at a plant in Baltimore because they might be contaminated. The diminished supply and enthusiasm for the shot mean that its role in the United States is fading fast, even though millions of Americans have yet to be vaccinated.

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“It’s just not what I think anybody would have hoped it would be when it came out,” said Dave Baden, chief financial officer of the Oregon Health Authority.

Health officials in a number of other states presented a similarly discouraging picture. The pause on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, they said, effectively kicked it aside for good; only about 3.5 million doses have been used since the pause was lifted April 23. Kim Deti, a spokesperson for the Wyoming Health Department, said the graph of uptake in her state told the vaccine’s story: a significant climb in the early weeks of its rollout, followed by a plateau that began around the pause.

State officials had initially hoped the Johnson & Johnson shot would be a workhorse: a versatile, easy-to-store tool they could stockpile at mass vaccination sites, quickly reaching thousands of people they would not need to track down for a second dose. But after demand dropped, their goals grew more modest.

It is being used in a smaller-bore fashion this week at the Fiesta festival in San Antonio, the College World Series in Omaha, Nebraska, a Juneteenth celebration in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and an aquarium in Long Beach, California. At a food bank in Reno, Nevada, 12 doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were administered Thursday, said Jocelyn Lantrip, director of marketing and communications for the Food Bank of Northern Nevada.

Between the small number of doses distributed and the lack of interest in them, public health experts say, the United States missed a critical opportunity to address health disparities with a vaccine that should have been ideal for reaching vulnerable populations. Dr. Chip Riggins, a regional medical director who oversees vaccine events in south central Louisiana, said that few organizers requested the shot anymore, even in a state with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country.

“In the early days of J&J, working with the African American community and the churches, the faith community here, it was a very, very popular option,” Riggins said. “It pains me that it isn’t being accepted like it was before the pause.”

Dr. José R. Romero, the Arkansas health secretary, called the shot’s fast decline a “lost opportunity” for reaching the vulnerable in his state.

“This is a vaccine that was very well-suited for populations where we have problems getting into,” he said. “We’re now at the point where it’s five people or three people; it doesn’t matter, we’ll open a vial.”

Riggins said he had limited success in recent months sending the vaccine to churches, casinos and even gas stations, including one in LaPlace, Louisiana, where organizers offered the shot Thursday. An international crew on a ship was elated to receive their shots last weekend, Riggins said. But not being able to fully protect more people with just a single dose, he added, was hindering the state’s progress.

Johnson & Johnson’s decline in the United States has dovetailed with decreasing demand for COVID vaccines overall. Nearly 30 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are sitting unused, as are about 25 million of Moderna’s. But a total of 135 million people have been fully immunized with those vaccines, 11 times more than with Johnson & Johnson’s. The two-dose vaccines have a higher efficacy rate overall — roughly 95% versus 72% for Johnson & Johnson’s — but studies showed that all three were highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death.

Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson’s CEO, said last week that he was still hopeful that the vaccine, which has been used in 25 countries, would help contain the pandemic overseas. The company has promised up to 400 million doses to the African Union. Separately, COVAX, the global vaccine-sharing program, is supposed to receive hundreds of millions of doses.

“We still believe that this is going to be a very important tool in the overall armamentarium,” Gorsky said at an event hosted by The Wall Street Journal.

But manufacturing problems at a factory in Baltimore run by Emergent BioSolutions, Johnson & Johnson’s subcontractor, have had serious consequences for the vaccine. Because of a major production mishap that resulted in a two-month shutdown in operations, Johnson & Johnson has essentially been forced to sit out the brunt of the pandemic in the United States while Pfizer and Moderna, the other federally authorized vaccine makers, provided almost all the nation’s vaccine stock.

Johnson & Johnson has had to throw out the equivalent of 75 million doses, and the regulatory authorities in Canada, South Africa and the European Union also decided to pull back millions more doses made at the Baltimore plant. The company has been able to deliver only one-fourth of the 100 million doses it promised the federal government by the end of this month.

Dr. Anne Zink, Alaska’s chief medical officer, said that in her state, Johnson & Johnson’s shot had become a victim of its own timing. By late February, when it was authorized by the Food and Drug Administration, Alaska had figured out how to get two-dose vaccines to remote areas, leaving the one-shot regimen less crucial than she had initially imagined.

Dr. Clay Marsh, West Virginia’s COVID-19 czar, said that the pause and Johnson & Johnson’s later authorization — more than two months after Pfizer’s and Moderna’s — deprived it of a “halo effect.” By the time West Virginia had an ample supply of all three vaccines, he said, “people started to get this concept that maybe there’s something better about being immunized with Pfizer and Moderna.”

The Johnson & Johnson shot had also suffered from a “social network effect,” said Andrew C. Anderson, a professor of public health at Tulane University who researches vaccine hesitancy. Most Americans who were inoculated in the early months of the vaccine campaign received Moderna and Pfizer shots, and so their friends and family were less likely to deviate and accept a different brand.

In Louisiana, hospitals in the New Orleans area have started offering the Johnson & Johnson shot to people on their way out of the emergency room; the thinking is that people will be more likely to accept the vaccine when a doctor who has treated them asks them to take it. And in Arkansas, where only one-third of the population is fully vaccinated, state officials are offering Johnson & Johnson doses to agriculture, manufacturing, wastewater and poultry workers, with gift certificates for hunting and fishing licenses as a reward.

“I don’t think that the book on J&J is closed,” said Dr. Joseph Kanter, Louisiana’s top health official. “It’s just not going to be a game changer.”

In West Virginia, officials are now hoping to use up some 20,000 doses of the shot at summer fairs and festivals and in parks, Marsh said. And in Oregon, Baden, the state health authority official, said that providers were working to exhaust about 150,000 doses in correctional facilities and higher-throughput sites in Portland. The sharp drop in interest, he said, was “tragic.”

Onisis Stefas, chief pharmacy officer at Northwell Health, New York state’s largest health care provider, said he was still working through the system’s original allocation of Johnson & Johnson from March — a sign that demand had shriveled long ago. Doctors’ offices have asked for as few as 10 doses at a time instead of the pack of 50 the vaccine typically comes in.

In Michigan, where more than 200,000 Johnson & Johnson doses sit unused, officials are racing to redistribute the vaccine to high-volume sites in hopes of administering them before they expire.

“It’s just kind of one after another negative news about the vaccine,” said Dr. Joneigh S. Khaldun, the chief medical executive in the state.

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

© 2021 The New York Times Company

I had 2 shots of pfizer 2nd one on may 4th or 5th.

Wife had hers same day.


So looks like the 2x johnson people got a poor mans version of a vaccine.

My condolences to you and your wife. Might take 2 or 3 years, or maybe 5 if you folks happen to get on suramin right away. Nice seeing you in the forum.

[suchmoon]

So looks like the 2x johnson people got a poor mans version of a vaccine.

Yay capitalism, worked surprisingly well in this case. Or was it socialism because the government is footing the bill. I always confuse the two.

Now if we could find a way to distribute the vaccines to the rest of the world instead of throwing them away, that'd be peachy.

[philipma1957]

Now to agree with badecker about 1 vaccine.

Looks like the double johnson or johnson 2x is a fail.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-hopes-johnson-johnsons-covid-120951061.html

The New York Times
High Hopes for Johnson & Johnson's COVID Vaccine Have Fizzled in the U.S.
Noah Weiland
Fri, June 18, 2021, 8:09 AM
WASHINGTON — When Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose coronavirus vaccine was authorized for emergency use in late February, ​it was seen as a breakthrough for reaching vulnerable and isolated Americans, a crucial alternative to vaccines that require two shots weeks apart and fussier storage. It was soon popular on college campuses, in door-to-door campaigns and with harder-to-reach communities that often struggle to access health care.

But with only 11.8 million doses administered in the United States — less than 4% of the total — the “one and done” vaccine has fallen flat. States have warned for weeks that they may not find recipients for millions of doses that will soon expire, partly because the vaccine’s appeal dropped after it was linked to a rare but serious blood-clotting disorder and injections were paused for 10 days in April.

The vaccine took another hit last week, when regulators told Johnson & Johnson that it should throw out tens of millions of additional doses produced at a plant in Baltimore because they might be contaminated. The diminished supply and enthusiasm for the shot mean that its role in the United States is fading fast, even though millions of Americans have yet to be vaccinated.

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“It’s just not what I think anybody would have hoped it would be when it came out,” said Dave Baden, chief financial officer of the Oregon Health Authority.

Health officials in a number of other states presented a similarly discouraging picture. The pause on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, they said, effectively kicked it aside for good; only about 3.5 million doses have been used since the pause was lifted April 23. Kim Deti, a spokesperson for the Wyoming Health Department, said the graph of uptake in her state told the vaccine’s story: a significant climb in the early weeks of its rollout, followed by a plateau that began around the pause.

State officials had initially hoped the Johnson & Johnson shot would be a workhorse: a versatile, easy-to-store tool they could stockpile at mass vaccination sites, quickly reaching thousands of people they would not need to track down for a second dose. But after demand dropped, their goals grew more modest.

It is being used in a smaller-bore fashion this week at the Fiesta festival in San Antonio, the College World Series in Omaha, Nebraska, a Juneteenth celebration in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and an aquarium in Long Beach, California. At a food bank in Reno, Nevada, 12 doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were administered Thursday, said Jocelyn Lantrip, director of marketing and communications for the Food Bank of Northern Nevada.

Between the small number of doses distributed and the lack of interest in them, public health experts say, the United States missed a critical opportunity to address health disparities with a vaccine that should have been ideal for reaching vulnerable populations. Dr. Chip Riggins, a regional medical director who oversees vaccine events in south central Louisiana, said that few organizers requested the shot anymore, even in a state with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country.

“In the early days of J&J, working with the African American community and the churches, the faith community here, it was a very, very popular option,” Riggins said. “It pains me that it isn’t being accepted like it was before the pause.”

Dr. José R. Romero, the Arkansas health secretary, called the shot’s fast decline a “lost opportunity” for reaching the vulnerable in his state.

“This is a vaccine that was very well-suited for populations where we have problems getting into,” he said. “We’re now at the point where it’s five people or three people; it doesn’t matter, we’ll open a vial.”

Riggins said he had limited success in recent months sending the vaccine to churches, casinos and even gas stations, including one in LaPlace, Louisiana, where organizers offered the shot Thursday. An international crew on a ship was elated to receive their shots last weekend, Riggins said. But not being able to fully protect more people with just a single dose, he added, was hindering the state’s progress.

Johnson & Johnson’s decline in the United States has dovetailed with decreasing demand for COVID vaccines overall. Nearly 30 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are sitting unused, as are about 25 million of Moderna’s. But a total of 135 million people have been fully immunized with those vaccines, 11 times more than with Johnson & Johnson’s. The two-dose vaccines have a higher efficacy rate overall — roughly 95% versus 72% for Johnson & Johnson’s — but studies showed that all three were highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death.

Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson’s CEO, said last week that he was still hopeful that the vaccine, which has been used in 25 countries, would help contain the pandemic overseas. The company has promised up to 400 million doses to the African Union. Separately, COVAX, the global vaccine-sharing program, is supposed to receive hundreds of millions of doses.

“We still believe that this is going to be a very important tool in the overall armamentarium,” Gorsky said at an event hosted by The Wall Street Journal.

But manufacturing problems at a factory in Baltimore run by Emergent BioSolutions, Johnson & Johnson’s subcontractor, have had serious consequences for the vaccine. Because of a major production mishap that resulted in a two-month shutdown in operations, Johnson & Johnson has essentially been forced to sit out the brunt of the pandemic in the United States while Pfizer and Moderna, the other federally authorized vaccine makers, provided almost all the nation’s vaccine stock.

Johnson & Johnson has had to throw out the equivalent of 75 million doses, and the regulatory authorities in Canada, South Africa and the European Union also decided to pull back millions more doses made at the Baltimore plant. The company has been able to deliver only one-fourth of the 100 million doses it promised the federal government by the end of this month.

Dr. Anne Zink, Alaska’s chief medical officer, said that in her state, Johnson & Johnson’s shot had become a victim of its own timing. By late February, when it was authorized by the Food and Drug Administration, Alaska had figured out how to get two-dose vaccines to remote areas, leaving the one-shot regimen less crucial than she had initially imagined.

Dr. Clay Marsh, West Virginia’s COVID-19 czar, said that the pause and Johnson & Johnson’s later authorization — more than two months after Pfizer’s and Moderna’s — deprived it of a “halo effect.” By the time West Virginia had an ample supply of all three vaccines, he said, “people started to get this concept that maybe there’s something better about being immunized with Pfizer and Moderna.”

The Johnson & Johnson shot had also suffered from a “social network effect,” said Andrew C. Anderson, a professor of public health at Tulane University who researches vaccine hesitancy. Most Americans who were inoculated in the early months of the vaccine campaign received Moderna and Pfizer shots, and so their friends and family were less likely to deviate and accept a different brand.

In Louisiana, hospitals in the New Orleans area have started offering the Johnson & Johnson shot to people on their way out of the emergency room; the thinking is that people will be more likely to accept the vaccine when a doctor who has treated them asks them to take it. And in Arkansas, where only one-third of the population is fully vaccinated, state officials are offering Johnson & Johnson doses to agriculture, manufacturing, wastewater and poultry workers, with gift certificates for hunting and fishing licenses as a reward.

“I don’t think that the book on J&J is closed,” said Dr. Joseph Kanter, Louisiana’s top health official. “It’s just not going to be a game changer.”

In West Virginia, officials are now hoping to use up some 20,000 doses of the shot at summer fairs and festivals and in parks, Marsh said. And in Oregon, Baden, the state health authority official, said that providers were working to exhaust about 150,000 doses in correctional facilities and higher-throughput sites in Portland. The sharp drop in interest, he said, was “tragic.”

Onisis Stefas, chief pharmacy officer at Northwell Health, New York state’s largest health care provider, said he was still working through the system’s original allocation of Johnson & Johnson from March — a sign that demand had shriveled long ago. Doctors’ offices have asked for as few as 10 doses at a time instead of the pack of 50 the vaccine typically comes in.

In Michigan, where more than 200,000 Johnson & Johnson doses sit unused, officials are racing to redistribute the vaccine to high-volume sites in hopes of administering them before they expire.

“It’s just kind of one after another negative news about the vaccine,” said Dr. Joneigh S. Khaldun, the chief medical executive in the state.

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

© 2021 The New York Times Company

I had 2 shots of pfizer 2nd one on may 4th or 5th.

Wife had hers same day.


So looks like the 2x johnson people got a poor mans version of a vaccine.

My condolences to you and your wife. Might take 2 or 3 years, or maybe 5 if you folks happen to get on suramin right away. Nice seeing you in the forum.

Hey my condolences for when covid 22 get you and the other non vaxers.



Now back to some math I am 64 my wife is 65.

the odds of a 65 year old living  for 10 more years are about 78%
the odds of a 65 year old living for 5 more years are about 90%

so 2 people for 10 or more years = .78 x .78 = 60.84%
so 2 people for 5 or more years = .90 x .90 = 81.%

So you HAVE A 19% SHOT AT ½ YOUR PREDICTION  of either me or my wife being dead in under 5 years
and a 40% shot of either me or my wife being dead in under 10 years



whether we take the shot or don't take the shot.

Your logic is the same logic as this:

1) blowjobs are bad.
2) why?
3) i know a guy that got a blowjob from a hooker in his car and he died.

How about the fact he was fat?
How about the fact he was snorting coke?
How about the fact he was cheating on his wife?

Nope blow jobs are bad.


That is a true story .

My bro in  law told me it as he worked for the police and typed up the report on the johns death.

That story dates back 45 years and to this day my bro in law believes blow jobs are bad.

You are pretty much the same type of person as my bro in law.

I suspect 25% of humans run around in a gas lite state not willing to face the truth of being alive.

[BADecker]

My condolences to you and your wife. Might take 2 or 3 years, or maybe 5 if you folks happen to get on suramin right away. Nice seeing you in the forum.

Hey my condolences for when covid 22 get you and the other non vaxers.



Now back to some math I am 64 my wife is 65.

the odds of a 65 year old living  for 10 more years are about 78%
the odds of a 65 year old living for 5 more years are about 90%

so 2 people for 10 or more years = .78 x .78 = 60.84%
so 2 people for 5 or more years = .90 x .90 = 81.%

So you HAVE A 19% SHOT AT ½ YOUR PREDICTION  of either me or my wife being dead in under 5 years
and a 40% shot of either me or my wife being dead in under 10 years



whether we take the shot or don't take the shot.

Your logic is the same logic as this:

1) blowjobs are bad.
2) why?
3) i know a guy that got a blowjob from a hooker in his car and he died.

How about the fact he was fat?
How about the fact he was snorting coke?
How about the fact he was cheating on his wife?

Nope blow jobs are bad.


That is a true story .

My bro in  law told me it as he worked for the police and typed up the report on the johns death.

That story dates back 45 years and to this day my bro in law believes blow jobs are bad.

You are pretty much the same type of person as my bro in law.

I suspect 25% of humans run around in a gas lite state not willing to face the truth of being alive.

Yeah! It's kinda like wanting to vote the winner, whichever or whoever the winner might be. You look at as much of the info as you can find, and then you make your choice. You might be around for a couple years on the forum, yet. We still have some time to chit chat.

[philipma1957]

Hey at 64/65 ten year death rate is 22%

so if there are 10,000,000 of us in 10 years 2,200,000 will die.

lets argue for you to be correct

70% get the shot

and 30%  don't.

the number to track is

1,540,000 for shot takers

660,000 for none shot takers .

But regardless for my age group 22% of us are dying in 10 years or less.

I am hoping both you and I guessed correctly for our selves.

[BADecker]

^^^ CDC says 94% of Covid deaths were from comorbidities, in other words, the aged, who were well on their way to death anyway. That leaves about 24,000 who might have died from Covid, if there weren't all kinds of things included in their deaths besides Covid. So, we are probably looking at 12,000 deaths from Covid in the USA, which could have been reduced to almost zero with...

Vitamin D, Viramin C + zinc, IVERMECTIN, Budesonide, and HCQ + zinc + azithromysin... as shown by studies through the last several decades... as well as recent studies.

And, CDC studies show that possibly as high as 500,000 US people have died from the Covid vaccine.

So, Covid is nothing, and the medical is murdering people by the thousands.

Dr. Montagnier and his associate doctors showed that the Covid vaxx is wiping out people, with some of the strong people maybe lasting for 5 years. While he didn't state the "5 years" directly, we can see by the numbers that the CDC has said have died, that 5 years for the rest is giving the medical a gigantic benefit of the doubt that any will survive.

You are missing a whole lot of what is happening, just like the way you say what you say in your posting.

I'm hoping that the people who have NOT taken the vaxx, don't change their minds and start getting vaxxed. We need a few people alive for the future to keep industries and knowledge going.

[philipma1957]

^^^ CDC says 94% of Covid deaths were from comorbidities, in other words, the aged, who were well on their way to death anyway. That leaves about 24,000 who might have died from Covid, if there weren't all kinds of things included in their deaths besides Covid. So, we are probably looking at 12,000 deaths from Covid in the USA, which could have been reduced to almost zero with...

Vitamin D, Viramin C + zinc, IVERMECTIN, Budesonide, and HCQ + zinc + azithromysin... as shown by studies through the last several decades... as well as recent studies.

And, CDC studies show that possibly as high as 500,000 US people have died from the Covid vaccine.

So, Covid is nothing, and the medical is murdering people by the thousands.

Dr. Montagnier and his associate doctors showed that the Covid vaxx is wiping out people, with some of the strong people maybe lasting for 5 years. While he didn't state the "5 years" directly, we can see by the numbers that the CDC has said have died, that 5 years for the rest is giving the medical a gigantic benefit of the doubt that any will survive.

You are missing a whole lot of what is happening, just like the way you say what you say in your posting.

I'm hoping that the people who have NOT taken the vaxx, don't change their minds and start getting vaxxed. We need a few people alive for the future to keep industries and knowledge going.

 Do you realize that people can function and live for 20 30 and 40 years even if they have comorbidities. I am 64 and I have had asthma since I was 2 years old. SO I lived 62 years with a comorbidity.  I know sparta would say the kid is wheezing throw him off the cliff and into the sea. But Athens would keep the kid around as maybe he is smart and inventive.

Most people simply have zero clue as to long term life conditions if they were lucky enough to not have them.

I am also near sighted and colorblind and developed type2 diabetes at the age of 60.  So fuck phil lets toss him in the grave.  I will be looking back at this thread on my birthday next jan 2022 when I turn 65. (I HOPE)

WE CAN BRING UP ANY NEW AILMENTS I HAVE.

[BADecker]

^^^ CDC says 94% of Covid deaths were from comorbidities, in other words, the aged, who were well on their way to death anyway. That leaves about 24,000 who might have died from Covid, if there weren't all kinds of things included in their deaths besides Covid. So, we are probably looking at 12,000 deaths from Covid in the USA, which could have been reduced to almost zero with...

Vitamin D, Viramin C + zinc, IVERMECTIN, Budesonide, and HCQ + zinc + azithromysin... as shown by studies through the last several decades... as well as recent studies.

And, CDC studies show that possibly as high as 500,000 US people have died from the Covid vaccine.

So, Covid is nothing, and the medical is murdering people by the thousands.

Dr. Montagnier and his associate doctors showed that the Covid vaxx is wiping out people, with some of the strong people maybe lasting for 5 years. While he didn't state the "5 years" directly, we can see by the numbers that the CDC has said have died, that 5 years for the rest is giving the medical a gigantic benefit of the doubt that any will survive.

You are missing a whole lot of what is happening, just like the way you say what you say in your posting.

I'm hoping that the people who have NOT taken the vaxx, don't change their minds and start getting vaxxed. We need a few people alive for the future to keep industries and knowledge going.

 Do you realize that people can function and live for 20 30 and 40 years even if they have comorbidities. I am 64 and I have had asthma since I was 2 years old. SO I lived 62 years with a comorbidity.  I know sparta would say the kid is wheezing throw him off the cliff and into the sea. But Athens would keep the kid around as maybe he is smart and inventive.

Most people simply have zero clue as to long term life conditions if they were lucky enough to not have them.

I am also near sighted and colorblind and developed type2 diabetes at the age of 60.  So fuck phil lets toss him in the grave.  I will be looking back at this thread on my birthday next jan 2022 when I turn 65. (I HOPE)

WE CAN BRING UP ANY NEW AILMENTS I HAVE.

Thank you. Finally you have shown us what comorbidities really are. They are things that people died from... at least in the 94% the CDC talked about.

COMORBIDITIES:

We aren't doing a study on comorbidity deaths. We are doing a study on Covid deaths. Your personal info is important to some people. But you didn't die from Covid, or even comorbidities. Less than 24,000 people died from Covid in 2020 in the US - 0.06 (the 6%) x 400,000 (deaths originally said to have been Covid deaths until the CDC threw in the comorbidities.). The CDC admitted it. Then, of course, they tried to make it look like they really didn't say it.

[philipma1957]

Okay as BADecker tosses out his logic on comorbidities.


Ie feeding peanuts to a person with peanut allergy does not mean the peanuts killed him his allergy killed him.

If you feed a peanut to a person and he dies you are a murderer and more than one person has been found guilty of doing this.

I want to show this yahoo article



https://news.yahoo.com/models-predict-u-coronavirus-infections-181806026.html

it is a washington post story in yahoo.

the Washington Post:

Models predict U.S. coronavirus infections could surge this fall if vaccination rates lag, former FDA chief says

FILE - In this March 26, 2021, file photo, New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham receives her Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Deanne Tapia, a registered nurse with the New Mexico Public Health Office in Santa Fe, during a vaccination event held in the gym at Desert Sage Academy in Santa Fe, N.M. New Mexico's largest child care providers are offering free daycare for parents who are getting a COVID-19 vaccine before July 4, state officials announced Wednesday, June 9, 2021. (Eddie Moore/The Albuquerque Journal via AP, Pool, File)
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Jeanne Whalen
Sun, June 20, 2021, 2:18 PM·2 min read
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Scott Gottlieb
American physician and conservative health policy analyst

The transmission of the more contagious Delta variant in the United States could spur a fall surge in coronavirus infections if only 75% of the country's eligible population is vaccinated, former Food and Drug Administration chief Scott Gottlieb said Sunday.

While Gottlieb cited one projection forecasting an increase in infections reaching as high as 20% of last winter's peak, he called that an "aggressive estimate," saying he doesn't "think it'll be quite that dire." But he said states with low vaccination rates are already showing a concerning rise in cases with the spreading of Delta, which is up to 60% more contagious than earlier variants.

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"So Connecticut, for example, where I am, shows no upsurge of infection, but Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri show very substantial upsurges of infections. That's based entirely on how much population-wide immunity you have based on vaccination," Gottlieb said on CBS's Face the Nation program.

He urged a renewed vaccination push closer to the fall, as people prepare to return to school and work, when he said they may be more open to the shots.

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Gottlieb also expressed concern about a recent U.K. study showing a shrinking of brain tissue in people after they had developed covid-19. The study results were published online last week before being peer-reviewed, meaning they haven't yet been vetted by medical experts who weren't involved in the study.

The researchers from the U.K. Biobank scrutinized before-and-after brain scans from 782 people - half who had developed covid-19 and half who hadn't. Those who had developed the illness experienced noteworthy tissue loss after infection in areas of the brain associated with the sense of taste and smell, the researchers said.


It's very concerning because it does suggest that the virus could be having a direct effect on certain portions of the brain," Gottlieb said.

"I think what it suggests is that the balance of the information that we're accruing does indicate that covid is a disease that could create persistent symptoms," he said. "So this isn't a benign disease. This is something you want to avoid. And the bottom line is we have the tools to avoid it through vaccination."

Gottlieb, who serves on the board of directors of pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc., also expressed hope that the Biden administration's recent announcement of $3.2 billion in funding for antiviral medications could accelerate development of effective treatments for covid-19.

"I think that we will have a drug that inhibits viral replication. Pfizer, the company I'm on the board of, is working on one. Merck is working on another one in advanced development," he said. "I think we will get a drug that inhibits viral replication that could be taken on an outpatient basis . . . when you first have a diagnosis to prevent the progression to disease."




I  wish anti vaxers