Aren't we the reason why BTC is becoming too much centralized?

[NeuroticFish]

I think that one problem is that there are too many people driven into crypto trading or even investing, people who don't know nor care what crypto is as long as it brings some easy money.

And a derived problem is that many trading wannabes have no idea what they're doing, and when a news with potential to change the trend, or (even more) if a whale sells then spreads FUD, they're completely lost. And since they have no idea what's all this, they will sell, even if it's at a loss.

But as already pointed out on the replies here, the number of people selling bitcoin and also the amounts are rather small and a vast majority seems to be HODLing.

Will this result in small volumes affecting heavier the price? Probably.
Is this "centralization"? I am not sure. I wouldn't say so.

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[Leviathan.007]

Being effecting by people by speech and tweets is what we can see on any market not just bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. For example, I remember a few years ago people were following Trump's twitter page and looking for gold signals to get some fundamental news. That's what some strong people do, they release some fundamental news via twitter or other social media and waiting for people to follow them, here they will get advantage from the market by manipulation the price and this is nothing to do with bitcoin centralization. However, recently, there were too much attention to Elon Mask and his twitter page, this made people think he is actually reason for any pump/dump in the market not anyone else.

[Silberman]

So whenever Elon Musk tweets, we panic sell.
Whenever China says something like they'll stop mining and add some extra official shit to it, we panic sell.
When USA says their investors will need to disclose their crypto holdings over a certain amount, we panic sell.

On every panicking news, we panic sell.
They create enough FUD, and we panic sell.

I know I've used the "panic sell" so many times, but have you, for God's sake, ever imagined with a cool mind that whenever we panic sell during shakeouts in the markets, we are actually giving away our BTC to those big institutions who are willing to snatch it away from us, yeah I mean it, every single drop of BTC seems to be taken away from us and it'll be no longer an average guy's BTC which was Satoshi's vision (don't pull me on this, understand the emotions). So if it goes into the hands of these institutions and governments completely, where will we stand? Nowhere. Why don't we understand that it's all more of an intrigue well thought out to wipe out every single BTC hodler (even the smallest one out there) and take away the control from the hands of common people whom Satoshi Nakamoto left BTC with.

While it is true that panic selling is a problem in the market at the end of the day people have the right to choose what they do with their bitcoin and if their decision is to panic sell then this means they do not really understand bitcoin and its purpose, this plays against us but at the same time it was inevitable that those institutional investors came to the market and tried to manipulate things to their advantage, something that is not new in this market as whales have been trying to do the same as well.

[shield132]

What if we prefer peace over war? Then there wouldn't be any need for military and additional billions around the world wouldn't be spent on such an useless things. We are the reason of everything, without doubt, of both, good and bad.

The problem is that the quality of new investors is very low. I mean that majority of people who invest in bitcoin actually don't know what it is, don't support the project and have false/wrong imaginations about it. Some people still think that word blockchain means the platform blockchain.com so...

Just have a look at reddit, check some posts there, you'll clearly see that people want to become rich overnight and when they see some % fall, they start to sell. When one sells at 5% and others follow, then price becomes 6%, those who waited before 6% and saw 7%, think that it's better to sell now than later and it's like chain on chain, so, finally we get rise and fall.
The fac that you discovered that we are the reason, changes nothing.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

So whenever Elon Musk tweets, we panic sell.
Whenever China says something like they'll stop mining and add some extra official shit to it, we panic sell.
When USA says their investors will need to disclose their crypto holdings over a certain amount, we panic sell.

On every panicking news, we panic sell.
They create enough FUD, and we panic sell.

I think it's natural because if the news will have an impact on the crypto community, of course there will be panic. if we take the example of china ban bitcoin. what about binance? and many other big exchange there and the miner also. there will be price changes from that issue. Therefore, I think we need valid news, not just FUD. in bitcoin FUD and fake news still possible get hype from people.

[BITCOIN4X]

Bitcoin is not decentralized anymore. There are few people manipulating the market which isn't good for small investors.

No, I think that's wrong thinking. You should never say that bitcoin is no longer decentralized just because someone manipulated its price in the market. Keep in mind that the bitcoin market is still in the process of growing and developing over time. They can toy with the price because it is quite financial while it doesn't change the decentralized nature of bitcoin. What the OP meant was that bitcoin users' thought and reaction became centralized because of the whale and FUD..

The difference between experienced investor and inexperienced investor (newbie investor) is how they survive FUD and whale game. It is clear that experienced investor will choose to stick with all the bitcoin they own because in reality the price continues to grow and reach new milestone over time.

[dothebeats]

There could be some weight to that, although you need to remember that not all of us are inclined to sell at a loss given that we know that most of these news are not news anymore, and just a ploy to push people to sell in order to move the price. Also, I don't think those sell-offs instigated by China and Elon Musk doesn't mean we're giving away our coins to the wealthy institutions, especially if there isn't really anyone buying those coins in the market. Perhaps in some instances, it is true, but for the most part I think it is not.

[Stedsm]

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Yet the market is completely open, anyone can buy and sell BTC whenever and however much they want - and I have said so many times that ordinary people have 10+ years to invest in BTC, who to blame for not doing that? Satoshi has given everyone an equal opportunity, those who are poor and have only a few $ in their pocket, to those who have billions - now only those who are a little richer can afford 1 BTC - but that is the price of progress and adaptation.

Ok, I accept that we paid the price to get towards progress and adaptation. But then, why are they increasing the price of BTC? They should either dump it completely and keep it lower because then, these institutions will have a very fair as well as ranged BTC in order or buy from very low prices in futures and make much better returns.

[stompix]

We are actually giving away our BTC to those big institutions who are willing to snatch it away from us, yeah I mean it, every single drop of BTC seems to be taken away from us and it'll be no longer an average guy's BTC which was Satoshi's vision (don't pull me on this, understand the emotions).

I understand the emotions but that was never Satoshi's vision to have all the bitcoins as evenly distributed as they can be.

And this brings us to the decentralization part, you've said a lot of times we, we, we. There is no we, every single person in this whole world has a choice, of selling, buying of dumping, or holding, and unless you store your coins in some exchange there is nobody that can force you to do so. Despite the negative picture you're painting all of those users who have betrayed have done it at their own choice. Tesla, Micro, Winklevoss, or 50 Cent all have bought coins somebody has sold, there needs to be a buyer for this and this is the essential stuff in bitcoin distribution if miners wouldn't sell there would be no bitcoins to be distributed if people wouldn't part with their bitcoins there would be no services offering bitcoin payments (although this last one is going down the drain).

You have bought bitcoins too, right? Maybe on a smaller scale model, all us holders have done the same, rather than leaving 200k satoshi for everybody we're centralizing the coin!

If some entities gobbling up all bitcoins and the masses are selling them for pennies, it means one thing, the main thing that gives bitcoin value is diminishing, the trust is not there anymore, and I see it as a normal thing, as painful as it is, if nobody trusts the coin and dumps it, of course, it's normal for the value to go down, otherwise we would have had 1 billion altcoins with 1 trillion supply, worth each one a billion. This is true decentralization, everyone decides for himself and the entire userbase decides the price, if the bad guys want to buy all the coins and there is trust behind every coin they must be prepared to cough up all that money, will they manage to achieve such a thing it simply means the rules of the economy have prevailed, every asset has a price!

And if they do manage to end their pokemon bitcoin hunt by getting them all, what's stopping us to start again with a new coin? We are ten times richer and they are ten times poorer holding coins nobody wants 

[just_Alice]

You're so damn right! People go on and on about how Musk or other public figures manipulate the price of Bitcoin, but it would've never happened if people weren't so damn stupid and didn't swallow the bait. The human factor, emotions - this is the thing that makes, let's call it pseudo-centralization. Yes, there's no third party involved in price regulation, but people think the same, act similarly, that's why we are in this kind of situation today.
Hopefully, soon people will become more familiar with cryptocurrencies and won't make the same old mistakes.

[teosanru]

So whenever Elon Musk tweets, we panic sell.
Whenever China says something like they'll stop mining and add some extra official shit to it, we panic sell.
When USA says their investors will need to disclose their crypto holdings over a certain amount, we panic sell.

On every panicking news, we panic sell.
They create enough FUD, and we panic sell.

I know I've used the "panic sell" so many times, but have you, for God's sake, ever imagined with a cool mind that whenever we panic sell during shakeouts in the markets, we are actually giving away our BTC to those big institutions who are willing to snatch it away from us, yeah I mean it, every single drop of BTC seems to be taken away from us and it'll be no longer an average guy's BTC which was Satoshi's vision (don't pull me on this, understand the emotions). So if it goes into the hands of these institutions and governments completely, where will we stand? Nowhere. Why don't we understand that it's all more of an intrigue well thought out to wipe out every single BTC hodler (even the smallest one out there) and take away the control from the hands of common people whom Satoshi Nakamoto left BTC with.

Why are we measuring centralisation or decentralisation using the price movement and fluctuations? Just because people panic sell it doesn't means btc is centralized. When we talk about decentralisation of control, we talk about the ability to make transaction without any central authority and this quality of Bitcoin can never really be compromised. I am pretty much sure even Satoshi Nakamoto would have never thought of Bitcoin and it's price volatility due to FUD. He was concerned only about the transactional aspects.

[20kevin20]

There's a phenomenon that has been created in the last few years at least, and it's the fact that any kind of news means everyone should act in the same way the news are. Positive news? Everyone buys. Negative news? Everyone sells.

This is quite bad for the market, but I think it only happens because we're still few inside the market and it's still pretty easy to manipulate. And then, if you think about it, institutions who hate BTC actually love these kind of fluctuations. A wildly swinging market keeps some serious investors away from it.

We're to blame for this stuff for sure. I stopped taking action based on news a very long while ago, and my portfolio is healthier than ever before. As long as we don't fall prey to those manipulations, the phenomenon will be gone in no time. Why do we care about Musk's opinion? Why do we care about the FUDders? All I care is that Bitcoin brings me the financial independence I need.

[adzino]

So whenever Elon Musk tweets, we panic sell.
Whenever China says something like they'll stop mining and add some extra official shit to it, we panic sell.
When USA says their investors will need to disclose their crypto holdings over a certain amount, we panic sell.

On every panicking news, we panic sell.
They create enough FUD, and we panic sell.

I know I've used the "panic sell" so many times, but have you, for God's sake, ever imagined with a cool mind that whenever we panic sell during shakeouts in the markets, we are actually giving away our BTC to those big institutions who are willing to snatch it away from us, yeah I mean it, every single drop of BTC seems to be taken away from us and it'll be no longer an average guy's BTC which was Satoshi's vision (don't pull me on this, understand the emotions). So if it goes into the hands of these institutions and governments completely, where will we stand? Nowhere. Why don't we understand that it's all more of an intrigue well thought out to wipe out every single BTC hodler (even the smallest one out there) and take away the control from the hands of common people whom Satoshi Nakamoto left BTC with.

There will always be people in the market that will panic sell. Others are aware of them. They also starts selling so that they can keep their profit and then buy when the crash is over after most people sell their coins. This is how the market works. No one cares if it is becoming centralized or remains decentralized. Right now most of the people are here just for making profit. A sad truth. By the way, I was expecting this thread to be about how the government are slowly imposing small policies that will eventually make bitcoin somewhat centralized.

[BIT-BENDER]

So whenever Elon Musk tweets, we panic sell.
Whenever China says something like they'll stop mining and add some extra official shit to it, we panic sell.
When USA says their investors will need to disclose their crypto holdings over a certain amount, we panic sell.

On every panicking news, we panic sell.
They create enough FUD, and we panic sell.

I know I've used the "panic sell" so many times, but have you, for God's sake, ever imagined with a cool mind that whenever we panic sell during shakeouts in the markets, we are actually giving away our BTC to those big institutions who are willing to snatch it away from us, yeah I mean it, every single drop of BTC seems to be taken away from us and it'll be no longer an average guy's BTC which was Satoshi's vision (don't pull me on this, understand the emotions). So if it goes into the hands of these institutions and governments completely, where will we stand? Nowhere. Why don't we understand that it's all more of an intrigue well thought out to wipe out every single BTC hodler (even the smallest one out there) and take away the control from the hands of common people whom Satoshi Nakamoto left BTC with.

All have the thought, also when crypto-currency withdrawal was banned in my country, that is you cannot withdraw or exchange bitcoin/crypto-currency to Fiat -naira- into any local Bank, this caused so many panic sells in my country, when many alternative lives on till now on how to go about it, I think we have given the government reasons to suggest more control wild dreams. Also the case of Elon musk is one am tired to even think of how we even got into that shoe, Influencers practically owning the success and has the failure road map of a crypto-currency.

[Zilon]

  A whole lot of people see Bitcoin as Ponzi scheme and treat it as one so once the price drops the panic and sell of their coins. Overcoming FUD especially for newer investors is quite challenging and so selling comes first to their minds once any negative tweet or ban treat pops up against Bitcoin. I was once a victim of this it really took me a whole lot of decipline to put my emotions in order realizing Bitcoin is an investment.

[el kaka22]

I agree with everything OP says. He is 100% right, but at the same time it is the reason why it is decentralized as well. If we all panic sell when Elon tweets that doesn't mean we are centralized, I understand that you think we are giving Elon a right to drop or increase the prices, but it is once again we the people who decide if we want to sell or not, Elon can't drop the price all by himself, that would be centralized, it is the people who make a decision and decided that they care about what he tweets, so it is still decentralized even while he has the power to up or down the prices with a tweet because We give him that power.

So instead of federal bank causing dollar to be worthless, it is Elon that decides on bitcoin and I know that sounds similar and make you think it is centralized but who does he get that power from? Us. Which is why it is still better than fiat.

[Lucius]

Ok, I accept that we paid the price to get towards progress and adaptation. But then, why are they increasing the price of BTC? They should either dump it completely and keep it lower because then, these institutions will have a very fair as well as ranged BTC in order or buy from very low prices in futures and make much better returns.

No matter what institutions and wealthy individuals buy through OTC, it is not possible to hide the outflow from crypto exchanges and the law of supply and demand increases the price. Besides, $35 000 is probably a lot of money for you and me, but for a fund with billions of dollars, it's actually a trifle - the current price for such players is not a problem - but things will change when the OTC market can no longer keep up with demand, and then we can expect the price to rise sharply.

Nothing in life is perfect, Bitcoin and everything around it should not be considered something that has no flaws - and people have always had some crazy need to twist everything they touch - it comes down to the fact that Bitcoin is not what Satoshi imagined, but it will be what those who use it in one way or another will make of it.

[Obito]

You're so damn right! People go on and on about how Musk or other public figures manipulate the price of Bitcoin, but it would've never happened if people weren't so damn stupid and didn't swallow the bait. The human factor, emotions - this is the thing that makes, let's call it pseudo-centralization. Yes, there's no third party involved in price regulation, but people think the same, act similarly, that's why we are in this kind of situation today.
Hopefully, soon people will become more familiar with cryptocurrencies and won't make the same old mistakes.

Not to mention that besides the manipulation, they even celebrate this influencers getting in the market not knowing that they have an ulterior motive. Plus, decentralization won't last because companies won't stop getting into the market because there is an opportunity.

[sapnu]

I think bitcoin is not being centralized as people gets influenced by FUD or commit panic selling, as you convert bitcoin into fiat, by then it will be consider as centralized as it gets converted into a centralized currency. Nevertheless, we should never tolerate falling into baits or FUDs no matter how big the influence of a certain individual is. You should make sure that your decisions are not based on assumptions or speculations alone, go ahead and work on it yourself so that you can have a firm decision when it comes to your investment.

[Bitstar_coin]

So whenever Elon Musk tweets, we panic sell.
Whenever China says something like they'll stop mining and add some extra official shit to it, we panic sell.
When USA says their investors will need to disclose their crypto holdings over a certain amount, we panic sell.

On every panicking news, we panic sell.
They create enough FUD, and we panic sell.

I know I've used the "panic sell" so many times, but have you, for God's sake, ever imagined with a cool mind that whenever we panic sell during shakeouts in the markets, we are actually giving away our BTC to those big institutions who are willing to snatch it away from us, yeah I mean it, every single drop of BTC seems to be taken away from us and it'll be no longer an average guy's BTC which was Satoshi's vision (don't pull me on this, understand the emotions). So if it goes into the hands of these institutions and governments completely, where will we stand? Nowhere. Why don't we understand that it's all more of an intrigue well thought out to wipe out every single BTC hodler (even the smallest one out there) and take away the control from the hands of common people whom Satoshi Nakamoto left BTC with.

Exactly bro, i think the crypto community should be able to recognize this and stop being used by this big whales, people should learn to ignore whatever fud this guys will come up with and continue as nothing happened, especially something as little as a mare tweet from a none crypto OG can get people scared to the point of selling off their coin they bought with their hard earned money, by doing this, the crypto community appears vulnerable and also show that they can be easily manipulated into selling their assets. About time people change such behavior.