UK Recording over 10.000 cases

[Ultegra134]

badecker is a number 3
though its the hardest idiot type to break. it becomes a task of not actually trying to cure him of his perpetual adverts of lies. but to speak down to him and debunk him so that he doesnt recruit more idiots
in short if you can show other readers that badecker is an idiot. other idiots wont b so quick to believe badecker

badecker doesnt think viruses are real probably more so because his adverts dont go viral and he has never experienced fame. so he feels because he cant spread lies. biological viruses cant spread either

I highly doubt that conspiracy theorists ever change views, no matter what you tell or present them. However, it would be interesting if BADecker was infected with Covid-19, I do not wish that to anyone, although I'd like to see if he/she would then change his mind.

[BADecker]

badecker is a number 3
though its the hardest idiot type to break. it becomes a task of not actually trying to cure him of his perpetual adverts of lies. but to speak down to him and debunk him so that he doesnt recruit more idiots
in short if you can show other readers that badecker is an idiot. other idiots wont b so quick to believe badecker

badecker doesnt think viruses are real probably more so because his adverts dont go viral and he has never experienced fame. so he feels because he cant spread lies. biological viruses cant spread either

I highly doubt that conspiracy theorists ever change views, no matter what you tell or present them. However, it would be interesting if BADecker was infected with Covid-19, I do not wish that to anyone, although I'd like to see if he/she would then change his mind.

I have been noticing the same thing. Conspiracy theorists like f1 constantly talk about people who have a different view of things, and call them conspiracy theorists. Yet, the only evidence and proof you get out of the f1 types, is that they say things like: "We told you so," or "We said you are debunked, so you are absolutely debunked."

Any two people who get together and talk about something, are a conspiracy. The group that gets together to call other groups conspiracy theorists, are a conspiracy themselves. Blab, Blab, Blab. Find the proof for what anyone says, since all groups are conspiracies and conspiracy theorists at the same time... especially if they denounce other groups who have proof when they themselves don't.

[Ultegra134]

badecker is a number 3
though its the hardest idiot type to break. it becomes a task of not actually trying to cure him of his perpetual adverts of lies. but to speak down to him and debunk him so that he doesnt recruit more idiots
in short if you can show other readers that badecker is an idiot. other idiots wont b so quick to believe badecker

badecker doesnt think viruses are real probably more so because his adverts dont go viral and he has never experienced fame. so he feels because he cant spread lies. biological viruses cant spread either

I highly doubt that conspiracy theorists ever change views, no matter what you tell or present them. However, it would be interesting if BADecker was infected with Covid-19, I do not wish that to anyone, although I'd like to see if he/she would then change his mind.

I have been noticing the same thing. Conspiracy theorists like f1 constantly talk about people who have a different view of things, and call them conspiracy theorists. Yet, the only evidence and proof you get out of the f1 types, is that they say things like: "We told you so," or "We said you are debunked, so you are absolutely debunked."

Any two people who get together and talk about something, are a conspiracy. The group that gets together to call other groups conspiracy theorists, are a conspiracy themselves. Blab, Blab, Blab. Find the proof for what anyone says, since all groups are conspiracies and conspiracy theorists at the same time... especially if they denounce other groups who have proof when they themselves don't.

Previous posters have displayed statistics proving their point. A quick google search would also show you that your theory about vaccines creating new Covid-19 strains is false. On top of that, you haven't presented anything to defend your claims.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/05/experts-debunk-claims-that-vaccines-cause-new-covid-19-variants

[BADecker]

I have been noticing the same thing. Conspiracy theorists like f1 constantly talk about people who have a different view of things, and call them conspiracy theorists. Yet, the only evidence and proof you get out of the f1 types, is that they say things like: "We told you so," or "We said you are debunked, so you are absolutely debunked."

Any two people who get together and talk about something, are a conspiracy. The group that gets together to call other groups conspiracy theorists, are a conspiracy themselves. Blab, Blab, Blab. Find the proof for what anyone says, since all groups are conspiracies and conspiracy theorists at the same time... especially if they denounce other groups who have proof when they themselves don't.

Previous posters have displayed statistics proving their point. A quick google search would also show you that your theory about vaccines creating new Covid-19 strains is false. On top of that, you haven't presented anything to defend your claims.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/05/experts-debunk-claims-that-vaccines-cause-new-covid-19-variants

I know, I know. Your stats are right, and mine are wrong.

For starters, slowly and carefully read the VAERS and Harvard (Lazarus) stats at https://www.openvaers.com/. Think and apply the other stats of the world to them to see that there are a whole bunch of contradictory stats out there.

If you want to believe the CDC stats after that, or the UK stats from their excuse-for-VAERS organization, go ahead. You simply have a religion going for yourself, know it or not.

[Ultegra134]

I have been noticing the same thing. Conspiracy theorists like f1 constantly talk about people who have a different view of things, and call them conspiracy theorists. Yet, the only evidence and proof you get out of the f1 types, is that they say things like: "We told you so," or "We said you are debunked, so you are absolutely debunked."

Any two people who get together and talk about something, are a conspiracy. The group that gets together to call other groups conspiracy theorists, are a conspiracy themselves. Blab, Blab, Blab. Find the proof for what anyone says, since all groups are conspiracies and conspiracy theorists at the same time... especially if they denounce other groups who have proof when they themselves don't.

Previous posters have displayed statistics proving their point. A quick google search would also show you that your theory about vaccines creating new Covid-19 strains is false. On top of that, you haven't presented anything to defend your claims.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/05/experts-debunk-claims-that-vaccines-cause-new-covid-19-variants

I know, I know. Your stats are right, and mine are wrong.

For starters, slowly and carefully read the VAERS and Harvard (Lazarus) stats at https://www.openvaers.com/. Think and apply the other stats of the world to them to see that there are a whole bunch of contradictory stats out there.

If you want to believe the CDC stats after that, or the UK stats from their excuse-for-VAERS organization, go ahead. You simply have a religion going for yourself, know it or not.

That has already been debunked too, VAERS' data isn't confirmed and is also mentioned in CDC's disclaimer "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable". Anyone can report to that website, thus, it could be coincidental, inaccurate or even fake. 
However, I don't think there's much use in replying to you, you believe what you want to believe.

If you think that you're an expert, just because you read some crap on the internet, well guess what, you are definitely wrong. I highly doubt that you have the credentials to doubt people in the medical field.

[BADecker]

I know, I know. Your stats are right, and mine are wrong.

For starters, slowly and carefully read the VAERS and Harvard (Lazarus) stats at https://www.openvaers.com/. Think and apply the other stats of the world to them to see that there are a whole bunch of contradictory stats out there.

If you want to believe the CDC stats after that, or the UK stats from their excuse-for-VAERS organization, go ahead. You simply have a religion going for yourself, know it or not.

That has already been debunked too, VAERS' data isn't confirmed and is also mentioned in CDC's disclaimer "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable". Anyone can report to that website, thus, it could be coincidental, inaccurate or even fake. 
However, I don't think there's much use in replying to you, you believe what you want to believe.

If you think that you're an expert, just because you read some crap on the internet, well guess what, you are definitely wrong. I highly doubt that you have the credentials to doubt people in the medical field.

The difference between debunked CDC stuff, and the stuff that they believe is true, is based on whatever they want to do. For example. A doctor somewhere in Wyoming pronounces cause of death to be xxxxxx disease. That is what is listed as cause of death. But nobody really knows, because there was no autopsy done, and it is not even proven that an autopsy would have worked to determine the real cause in this case. But the CDC accepts it.

Another example. A coroner in Montana makes a determination of cause of death. But nobody really knows, because there was no autopsy done, and it is not even proven that an autopsy would have worked to determine the real cause in this case. But the CDC accepts it.

Another example. An old man dies in Kansas, from heart disease. How do they know? He had a history of heart problems, and grandson found him dead at home. They accepted a combination of grandson and doctor's probability cause of death... it was heart attack.

The point? All except a few causes of any death - or other statistics in VAERS - have detailed studies behind them to PROVE what is reported in VAERS. But this is the CDC standard for the way it works for cause of death reports... probably the vast majority of them.

So, what's the double standard for? CDC accepts good guess cause of death for most deaths all over the place. But suddenly they don't want to accept VAERS standard good guess cause of death when it has to do with the Covid vaccine.

Who are you going to accept? The CDC or the CDC? Here's who you should accept. The CDC. Accept them for what they are... a totally mixed up bunch of good will liars... with a few bad will liars thrown in.

It doesn't really matter much what VAERS says. Harvard shows that VAERS doesn't get even 1% of the reports. But if they did, it still wouldn't matter, because almost all the reports are good-guess reports, anyway. They are anecdotal, not scientific. And that's the CDC method. So if you accept the CDC, accept what VAERS says rather than what the CDC says about what VAERS says.

In fact, judging by the way people were treated for Covid in the hospitals for the first half of 2020 - multiple thousands died - medical science is anecdotal. Perhaps some of the science was absolutely correct, scientifically. But judging by the great numbers of people who died in the hospital, real science is being applied anecdotally.

Wake up and see that you are being scammed by the medical all the way around, and that the only reason people who see the doctor get any help at all, is because the doctors barely follow written medical directives. Rather, they help their patients get well in ways that are anecdotal at least to a great extent.

[Gyfts]

US cases begin to rise due to delta variant: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-june-25-20210625-75nycnybqzfjdpjujrocvhbb6a-story.html

Unvaxed individuals are vulnerable to the delta variant, and if you have one vaccine, you only have some protection. This probably also means we're going down the road of seasonal Covid, where it never gets under control, and people end up needing to get boosters every "season", and that's "if" the vaccine ends up working against all these variants. You're going to see repeated outbreaks every where, not just the UK.

[BADecker]

US cases begin to rise due to delta variant: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-june-25-20210625-75nycnybqzfjdpjujrocvhbb6a-story.html

Unvaxed individuals are vulnerable to the delta variant, and if you have one vaccine, you only have some protection. This probably also means we're going down the road of seasonal Covid, where it never gets under control, and people end up needing to get boosters every "season", and that's "if" the vaccine ends up working against all these variants. You're going to see repeated outbreaks every where, not just the UK.

Science only works so fast. They just haven't uncovered all the other variants the vaccines have produced.

[franky1]

I know, I know. Your stats are right, and mine are wrong.

For starters, slowly and carefully read the VAERS and Harvard (Lazarus) stats at https://www.openvaers.com/. Think and apply the other stats of the world to them to see that there are a whole bunch of contradictory stats out there.

If you want to believe the CDC stats after that, or the UK stats from their excuse-for-VAERS organization, go ahead. You simply have a religion going for yourself, know it or not.

the amount of americans that got covid is lower then the amount that had the vaccine
the amount of people that ended up in hsopital due to covid. is higher then those that got the vaccine
the amount of people that died due to covid is higher than those that died from vaccine

EG lets say the 33mill covid cases were say only the 33% mild-severe ones that got tested. so lets make it a badecker approved exaggeration 100mill that had covid from asymptomatic-severe
with 600k deaths.. thats at badecker approved 0.6% death rate for covid

well 177mill had double dose vaccine..
so if badecker thinks vaccine is worse.. then there would be 1million deaths due to vaccine..(same 0.6%)
so badecker lets see your 1m vaccine deaths

oh wait. badecker will just reply with some lame insult rebuttal but no data, no stats, no reports, no proof, no evidence

and yes badecker i actually manipulated the covid/death rate in your favour.
just to show a lower % for you to then try find some vaccine death numbers to try to come close to
reality is more like 60m for 600k death(1%) where by for those above 45 its more then 1% and those under 30 its under 1%

but instead of settling for 1% ill be happy if you can even find anything close to a 0.6% death rate for vaccine..
so try and prove your point. or accept the reality that you are just wrong

[BADecker]

I know, I know. Your stats are right, and mine are wrong.

For starters, slowly and carefully read the VAERS and Harvard (Lazarus) stats at https://www.openvaers.com/. Think and apply the other stats of the world to them to see that there are a whole bunch of contradictory stats out there.

If you want to believe the CDC stats after that, or the UK stats from their excuse-for-VAERS organization, go ahead. You simply have a religion going for yourself, know it or not.

the amount of americans that got covid is lower then the amount that had the vaccine
the amount of people that ended up in hsopital due to covid. is higher then those that got the vaccine
the amount of people that died due to covid is higher than those that died from vaccine

EG lets say the 33mill covid cases were say only the 33% mild-severe ones that got tested. so lets make it a badecker approved exaggeration 100mill that had covid from asymptomatic-severe
with 600k deaths.. thats at badecker approved 0.6% death rate for covid

well 177mill had double dose vaccine..
so if badecker thinks vaccine is worse.. then there would be 1million deaths due to vaccine..(same 0.6%)
so badecker lets see your 1m vaccine deaths

oh wait. badecker will just reply with some lame insult rebuttal but no data, no stats, no reports, no proof, no evidence

and yes badecker i actually manipulated the covid/death rate in your favour.
just to show a lower % for you to then try find some vaccine death numbers to try to come close to
reality is more like 60m for 600k death(1%) where by for those above 45 its more then 1% and those under 30 its under 1%

but instead of settling for 1% ill be happy if you can even find anything close to a 0.6% death rate for vaccine..
so try and prove your point. or accept the reality that you are just wrong

You are making things way more complicated than they are. You forget to factor in the CDC comorbidities of 94%. Did the 94% die from the comorbidities? Or did they died from Covid? The CDC wants us to believe it was Covid. But many of those people would have died from the comorbidities without Covid in a couple of months, anyway. So, at best, Covid was the straw that broke the camel's back.

If you weight a camel down so heavily that when you add a straw, it breaks his back, do you really believe that the straw did it?

You are approximately loony to think like this. Covid didn't kill most of those who died with comorbidities. Covid was just there in those cases. The closest that the CDC comes to being accurate about Covid killing those with comorbidites is, in a few of them, the Covid straw was a gigantic straw, proven by an autopsie. But really, neither the CDC or anybody else knows for a fact what killed them. The few they did autopsies on favored Covid, BECAUSE THE CDC WAS TRYING TO MAKE COVID KILL EVERYTHING.

Playing the comorbidity game with the vaccine shows that the CDC doesn't want to tell the truth. The Covid killing the vaccinated was sent there by the vaccine. So, it's the vaccine killing them rather than the Covid. But because they were both working together, it's difficult to determine which of these two comorbidities is really killing the vaccinated people... the vaccine or Covid. Or in which cases there was some other comorbidity that played a part.

Probably both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated who die from now on, all die from some kind of comorbidity, and mostly one that can't be determined. And the cause of death reports are all anecdotal because REAL autopsies aren't being done on most of them. So, they die anecdotally, just as they have been at least since the CDC was around.


Shock: European Union Reports 1.5 Million Vaccine Injuries, 15,472 Deaths

The EU counterpart to the U.S. VAERS database reports deaths and injuries that are likely understated because not all cases are reported. Even still, the actually reported numbers are staggering.
The Technocrats/Transhumans who are running this global human reset must be stopped. ? TN Editor

The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimental COVID-19 "vaccines."

A subscriber from Europe recently emailed us and reminded us that this database maintained at EudraVigilance is only for countries in Europe who are part of the European Union (EU), which comprises 27 countries.

The total number of countries in Europe is much higher, almost twice as many, numbering around 50, although there are some differences of opinion as to which countries are technically part of Europe.

So as high as these numbers are, they do NOT reflect all of Europe. The actual number in Europe who are reported dead or injured due to COVID-19 shots would be much higher than what we are reporting here.

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[Cnut237]

Science only works so fast. They just haven't uncovered all the other variants the vaccines have produced.

Mutation occurs due to copying errors. This is as true for viruses as it is for humans. The more common a virus is, the more mutations there will be. The more instances there are of a virus replicating, the more mutations (copying errors) there will be. This is extremely basic science. There will be huge numbers of CV19 variants out there. The ones we hear about are the ones that have been identified as being of especial concern, whether due to high transmissibility, immunity to the vaccine, severity of symptoms, etc. Are there other variants that we don't know about? Yes, of course there are.
But vaccines do not cause mutation. Mutation occurs naturally.

If you understood how mutation arises, and also accepted the concept of natural selection through 'survival of the fittest'... then you would understand how evolution works. That's what evolution is, mutation plus natural selection... it occurs by itself, without guidance. This is how both you and I came to exist.

[Ultegra134]

Science only works so fast. They just haven't uncovered all the other variants the vaccines have produced.

Mutation occurs due to copying errors. This is as true for viruses as it is for humans. The more common a virus is, the more mutations there will be. The more instances there are of a virus replicating, the more mutations (copying errors) there will be. This is extremely basic science. There will be huge numbers of CV19 variants out there. The ones we hear about are the ones that have been identified as being of especial concern, whether due to high transmissibility, immunity to the vaccine, severity of symptoms, etc. Are there other variants that we don't know about? Yes, of course there are.
But vaccines do not cause mutation. Mutation occurs naturally.

If you understood how mutation arises, and also accepted the concept of natural selection through 'survival of the fittest'... then you would understand how evolution works. That's what evolution is, mutation plus natural selection... it occurs by itself, without guidance. This is how both you and I came to exist.

That's right, a virus mutates because it acts through the simple principle of natural selection. It mutates in order to survive. We need to achieve herd immunity via vaccinations, but EU's percentages are still pretty low. (Of fully vaccinated at least). I don't get why people get so frustrated about mutations, even the common flu goes through plenty of them during the last few years.

[Tash]

Over 100000 protest in london, enough of this hoax
https://youtu.be/j4eF8MsFDX0

[mindrust]

Over 100000 protest in london, enough of this hoax
https://youtu.be/j4eF8MsFDX0

I'll show you 2 articles.

1- From plague to polio: how do pandemics end? - Financial Times

   Like Influenza A, Covid-19 will probably never be eliminated. Instead, the perceived risk is likely to reduce over time. Pandemics end when they “change from something that we as a society deem to be unacceptable, into things that can be fatal, but just in the background”, said Erica Charters, associate professor of the history of medicine at Oxford university.
...

"What smallpox teaches us is that a vaccine alone does not eradicate a disease,” cautioned Alexandre White, assistant professor of the history of medicine at Johns Hopkins University.
...
   “Women and children were often pulled out from under beds, from behind doors, from within latrines,” wrote Stanley Music, a senior WHO epidemiologist sent in 1973 to Bangladesh, where some citizens were still refusing injections. “When they locked their doors, we broke down their doors and vaccinated them.” *
...

*This sounds fucked up.

2- How the Covid pandemic ends: Scientists look to the past to see the future - statnews.com

That probably sounds bleak, but don’t despair. The truth of the matter is that pandemics always end. And to date vaccines have never played a significant role in ending them. (That doesn’t mean vaccines aren’t playing a critical role this time. Far fewer people will die from Covid-19 because of them.)

With or without taking vaccines or lockdowns, pandemics always end.

Maybe vaccines do work, however lockdowns are indeed delaying the inevitable (the end of the pandemic) and to me, somebody desperately needs that delay.

[BADecker]

Over 100000 protest in london, enough of this hoax
https://youtu.be/j4eF8MsFDX0

I'll show you 2 articles.

1- From plague to polio: how do pandemics end? - Financial Times

   Like Influenza A, Covid-19 will probably never be eliminated. Instead, the perceived risk is likely to reduce over time. Pandemics end when they “change from something that we as a society deem to be unacceptable, into things that can be fatal, but just in the background”, said Erica Charters, associate professor of the history of medicine at Oxford university.
...

"What smallpox teaches us is that a vaccine alone does not eradicate a disease,” cautioned Alexandre White, assistant professor of the history of medicine at Johns Hopkins University.
...
   “Women and children were often pulled out from under beds, from behind doors, from within latrines,” wrote Stanley Music, a senior WHO epidemiologist sent in 1973 to Bangladesh, where some citizens were still refusing injections. “When they locked their doors, we broke down their doors and vaccinated them.” *
...

*This sounds fucked up.

2- How the Covid pandemic ends: Scientists look to the past to see the future - statnews.com

That probably sounds bleak, but don’t despair. The truth of the matter is that pandemics always end. And to date vaccines have never played a significant role in ending them. (That doesn’t mean vaccines aren’t playing a critical role this time. Far fewer people will die from Covid-19 because of them.)

With or without taking vaccines or lockdowns, pandemics always end.

Maybe vaccines do work, however lockdowns are indeed delaying the inevitable (the end of the pandemic) and to me, somebody desperately needs that delay.

The further back you go in history, the more you can see that the statistics were manipulated by the medical. Any statistics regarding pandemics from the past - in the States - have medical manipulations significant enough that one can't believe with anywhere near truthfulness what is written in the statistics.

[Slow death]

The further back you go in history, the more you can see that the statistics were manipulated by the medical. Any statistics regarding pandemics from the past - in the States - have medical manipulations significant enough that one can't believe with anywhere near truthfulness what is written in the statistics.

It is true that politicians are liars and manipulators, they falsify statistics to show that they are working well, by which I mean:

if you see any country with a covid case showing very high numbers then be careful, because it means that the situation is serious and the numbers can be more frightening

If governments talk about putting on masks, complying with social distancing, not going to the places of agglomerations of people, they are telling the truth and comply with this measure

if governments tell people to be vaccinated then get vaccinated

[Ultegra134]

Over 100000 protest in london, enough of this hoax
https://youtu.be/j4eF8MsFDX0

I'll show you 2 articles.

1- From plague to polio: how do pandemics end? - Financial Times

   Like Influenza A, Covid-19 will probably never be eliminated. Instead, the perceived risk is likely to reduce over time. Pandemics end when they “change from something that we as a society deem to be unacceptable, into things that can be fatal, but just in the background”, said Erica Charters, associate professor of the history of medicine at Oxford university.
...

"What smallpox teaches us is that a vaccine alone does not eradicate a disease,” cautioned Alexandre White, assistant professor of the history of medicine at Johns Hopkins University.
...
   “Women and children were often pulled out from under beds, from behind doors, from within latrines,” wrote Stanley Music, a senior WHO epidemiologist sent in 1973 to Bangladesh, where some citizens were still refusing injections. “When they locked their doors, we broke down their doors and vaccinated them.” *
...

*This sounds fucked up.

2- How the Covid pandemic ends: Scientists look to the past to see the future - statnews.com

That probably sounds bleak, but don’t despair. The truth of the matter is that pandemics always end. And to date vaccines have never played a significant role in ending them. (That doesn’t mean vaccines aren’t playing a critical role this time. Far fewer people will die from Covid-19 because of them.)

With or without taking vaccines or lockdowns, pandemics always end.

Maybe vaccines do work, however lockdowns are indeed delaying the inevitable (the end of the pandemic) and to me, somebody desperately needs that delay.

Isn't that the point, though? Yes, all pandemics came to an end after some period of time, that doesn't mean that Covid-19 isn't serious, though. Vaccines are here to minimize losses (In deaths mostly) and the spread of the disease. Looking back, many pandemics ended by infecting every single one and resulting in millions of deaths, back when modern medicine wasn't a thing.

[meser#]

People aren't care their protection like before because they trust the vaccine. Therefore it will be worse than before. I hope everyone realise the matter and care themself and their relatives.

[Natsuu]

People aren't care their protection like before because they trust the vaccine. Therefore it will be worse than before. I hope everyone realise the matter and care themself and their relatives.

If we are talking about vaccinated peeps being infected, then it is negligible as they are only having the least alarming symptoms such as mild flu and such.

Though I will agree that they need to care about others as some are still not vaccinated, and maybe some of their relatives are not either

[Ultegra134]

People aren't care their protection like before because they trust the vaccine. Therefore it will be worse than before. I hope everyone realise the matter and care themself and their relatives.

If we are talking about vaccinated peeps being infected, then it is negligible as they are only having the least alarming symptoms such as mild flu and such.

Though I will agree that they need to care about others as some are still not vaccinated, and maybe some of their relatives are not either

Vaccinated people can also get infected, the percentage of it happening isn't that high, however, as you've mentioned, if they aren't careful, it can happen. More importantly though, vaccines decrease the risk of having major disease's symptoms and will possibly save you the trip to the hospital (And reduce the risk of death).

This can be seen by observing UK's Covid-19 statistics, they are having 10.000 daily cases but only 15-20 deaths.