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[aioc]

Everybody, today Wintomato treated me horribly and confiscated 29K USD balance. Read the story in there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5423018.0

I read your story and I must say this is indeed the right place to lay such complaints, as it is the official ANN thread of wintomato,  because what wintomato did was highly unfair to have confiscated your legitimate winning of $29,000 after requesting for KYC and it was successful.
But this still stands as an allegation until we hear what the host casino has to say about this case.
So wintomato or it's representative, what have you to say about this???  (We need your response before the next 72hours from now)

They are interacting right now and they are throwing accusations at each other but wintomato needs to provide screenshots or communication or proof that

We were warned by sport RMG team about your action but since you had long betting history we did not take actions,


You were restricted several times by sports betting provider;
So don't mislead people; 

This is a serious allegation and you need to post a screenshot of the communication in the scam section to prove that this is true I prefer to post here for awareness that there is an ongoing scam accusation here.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

They are interacting right now and they are throwing accusations at each other but wintomato needs to provide screenshots or communication or proof that

We were warned by sport RMG team about your action but since you had long betting history we did not take actions,

This is a serious allegation and you need to post a screenshot of the communication in the scam section to prove that this is true I prefer to post here for awareness that there is an ongoing scam accusation here.

So this question goes to intoato, because your response above seems unclear to me, because you just said you guys were warn by sport RMG team about his action but since he had long betting history you guys decided not take actions, so why take action now, when you had all the opportunity long time ago but you refuse, or is it because since he was losing his previous games, you guys decided to leave him, so he could deposit and keep losing more money? And now because he has started winning huge now, you guys decided to look for an old fault in other to freeze his funds? Please tell me..

[GekkeBelg]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

[poer]

if your site is poor & begging, don't make a gambling site

[coin-investor]

They are interacting right now and they are throwing accusations at each other but wintomato needs to provide screenshots or communication or proof that

We were warned by sport RMG team about your action but since you had long betting history we did not take actions,

This is a serious allegation and you need to post a screenshot of the communication in the scam section to prove that this is true I prefer to post here for awareness that there is an ongoing scam accusation here.

So this question goes to intoato, because your response above seems unclear to me, because you just said you guys were warn by sport RMG team about his action but since he had long betting history you guys decided not take actions, so why take action now, when you had all the opportunity long time ago but you refuse, or is it because since he was losing his previous games, you guys decided to leave him, so he could deposit and keep losing more money? And now because he has started winning huge now, you guys decided to look for an old fault in other to freeze his funds? Please tell me..

That's really a weird action this casino is greedy he knows the guy is betting a lot and they want him to play because if he loses they get all the money and if he wins they will just delete those bets, they should have stopped him when there's already a warning although you haven't provided the screenshots of the game provider warning or even your warning to the complainant until you provide these screenshots the complainant deserves his winning.

Wintomato.com have put the complainant in a bad position, the complainant losses whether he wins or losses, obviously this is a casino that doesn't want a player to win.

[wintomato]

This is mail communication and prove that we have warned him about this action before, that time we only adjusted the odd;

They are interacting right now and they are throwing accusations at each other but wintomato needs to provide screenshots or communication or proof that

We were warned by sport RMG team about your action but since you had long betting history we did not take actions,

This is a serious allegation and you need to post a screenshot of the communication in the scam section to prove that this is true I prefer to post here for awareness that there is an ongoing scam accusation here.

So this question goes to intoato, because your response above seems unclear to me, because you just said you guys were warn by sport RMG team about his action but since he had long betting history you guys decided not take actions, so why take action now, when you had all the opportunity long time ago but you refuse, or is it because since he was losing his previous games, you guys decided to leave him, so he could deposit and keep losing more money? And now because he has started winning huge now, you guys decided to look for an old fault in other to freeze his funds? Please tell me..

That's really a weird action this casino is greedy he knows the guy is betting a lot and they want him to play because if he loses they get all the money and if he wins they will just delete those bets, they should have stopped him when there's already a warning although you haven't provided the screenshots of the game provider warning or even your warning to the complainant until you provide these screenshots the complainant deserves his winning.

Wintomato.com have put the complainant in a bad position, the complainant losses whether he wins or losses, obviously this is a casino that doesn't want a player to win.

[GekkeBelg]

Okay so you're saying that this one email is proof that you "warned me multiple times"?

This email is what I was referring to when I said this in the OP:

In hindsight, there was one alarming thing that happened to me back in September, when I was betting on an MLB game and won a bet with odds of 8 and they decided to randomly take away 9K USD worth of winnings because "the odd was too high" even though their sports betting provider settled the bet as normally won and all other books had completely comparable odds. But after a few days of discussion they decided to give me back this 9K they took away so I assumed they were reasonable people after all.
But now, 2 months later, this happened.....I hope Wintomato can still come to their senses and realize that this is completely bullshit and unethical.

Let me explain some more: In mid-September I took a bet at odds 8 on an MLB game with 0:1 handicap when the score was tied 10:10 during the 8th inning. The bet was on the home team. If you know anything about MLB rules, then you know that if the home team scores in the 9th inning or later it will only count for only 1 point, apart from when it is a home run with already men at base. So, this bet was a very high risk bet because to win with 2 or more runs difference it would have to happen in this 8th inning only or with a home run with men at base in a later inning. And that is why the odds were so high. I placed multiple bets like this in the months before and it almost never won (about 9 out of 10 times it loses, about 1 out of 10 times it wins), but this time it finally did as the team indeed scored 2 runs in the 8th inning and won 12:10. And then a few hours later, after the bet was normally settled by their odds provider as won, they acted upon themselves and decided to manually deduct 9025 USDT from my acount due to "an abnormally high odd". This means they paid the bet out as if odds should have been 2.50. I then showed them several screenshots of other games where odds were always around 8,00 on the home team when the score was tied during the 8th inning (still have those screenshots and can show them) and they finally decided to give me back this 9025 USDT so I assumed they were reasonable people afterall. Apart from this one issue I never had ANY problem with bet settlement during the around 2000 bets I placed with Wintomato. So I assumed this was a one-off and if I continued my betting style as normal I would not have any problems in the future either.

And now they are using this example to show that they "warned me multiple times"? This was the only email they ever sent me about this topic and they only said arbitrage gaming is not allowed, well I never did arbitrage gaming anyway. About value betting they did not mention anything, even though I also did not do value betting. I have used the same betting style for 11 months and lost more than I won in total over this period. How can it be judged as arbitrage or value betting over such a large sample of over 2000 bets then?
And what was abnormal about the odds in my recent NBA bets I took? All other sportsbooks using the same betting provider Betby had the exact same odds on those games as you did and they did not void any of those bets. And as user "rokuen" pointed out on the previous page of this topic, the odds on those NBA bets were completely normal market prices, there were even higher odds available at other bookmakers such as Bet365. We can go through all historical odds for all those NBA games and we will see that those odds were all completely normal.

I ask one more time because you keep on dodging my question: how can it be that over a period of 11 months and a sample of around 2000 bets I am overall in minus and you still accuse me of arbitrage or value betting? How can it statistically be possible to not have a huge win over this period then?

[MegaAkker]

Hey Wintomato, did you lose your license? I am seeing a red cross through your license on the bottom of your home page and when I click on if I get this:

[minime0105]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

What exactly was your commitment before they blocked your account, in this your report theirs no cogent reason concerning this, nobody understands exactly what you are saying, because sometimes we do not understand where reaction or what people are being said concerning their issues, i have not seen anything as your issues here. Because it's not well stated, nobody can reacts to what you just said because it's understandable.

[GekkeBelg]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

What exactly was your commitment before they blocked your account, in this your report theirs no cogent reason concerning this, nobody understands exactly what you are saying, because sometimes we do not understand where reaction or what people are being said concerning their issues, i have not seen anything as your issues here. Because it's not well stated, nobody can reacts to what you just said because it's understandable.

See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5423018.0

[Slow death]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

this is a casino without any commitment and dedication to customers, they just created this casino to cheat and steal people's money using TOS, that's why I advise you to post your story in every corner of the internet, you have to report them in curacao so that they at least remove their license, you have to report your case on askgame and all other casino monitors so that people avoid using this casino scam, with that they will run out of customers and they closed their doors and many people did not run the risk of losing money

https://www.askgamblers.com/pt/casino-complaints

if your site is poor & begging, don't make a gambling site

these guys are not worried about creating casino to benefit people, for them a casino is not a long term business, for them a casino is a gold mine to scam people, their objective is not to create something beautiful that pleases people , when they create a casino they have only one objective: to steal people's money, these scammers know that there are no laws to punish them, they are anonymous on the internet, so it is very difficult to locate any of these scammers, I am only sad that someone does not have feelings and is robbing people instead of making an effort to create something good that is a good business for him and that also does good service to people

[poer]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

this is a casino without any commitment and dedication to customers, they just created this casino to cheat and steal people's money using TOS, that's why I advise you to post your story in every corner of the internet, you have to report them in curacao so that they at least remove their license, you have to report your case on askgame and all other casino monitors so that people avoid using this casino scam, with that they will run out of customers and they closed their doors and many people did not run the risk of losing money

https://www.askgamblers.com/pt/casino-complaints

if your site is poor & begging, don't make a gambling site

these guys are not worried about creating casino to benefit people, for them a casino is not a long term business, for them a casino is a gold mine to scam people, their objective is not to create something beautiful that pleases people , when they create a casino they have only one objective: to steal people's money, these scammers know that there are no laws to punish them, they are anonymous on the internet, so it is very difficult to locate any of these scammers, I am only sad that someone does not have feelings and is robbing people instead of making an effort to create something good that is a good business for him and that also does good service to people

i agree

[danadc]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

What exactly was your commitment before they blocked your account, in this your report theirs no cogent reason concerning this, nobody understands exactly what you are saying, because sometimes we do not understand where reaction or what people are being said concerning their issues, i have not seen anything as your issues here. Because it's not well stated, nobody can reacts to what you just said because it's understandable.

When a person refers to a site like that, it is because they have a very bad experience, but it would be good if they said what happened because that is something very bad to be in the casino thread making many accusations that are really strong and there is no evidence The tests are always the ones that speak for themselves, if the casino failed they have to prove it, otherwise it is difficult to help a player, because if they lost due to the same system of their game it is something that cannot be done much, always The safest thing we play is to lose, we try our luck in every casino, that's why they talk about autocontrol and all that.

[holydarkness]

[...] but it would be good if they said what happened because that is something very bad to be in the casino thread making many accusations that are really strong and there is no evidence [...]

If you read the previous posts carefully, GekkeBelg had referred anyone curious to the detailed and more focused discussion about the accusation --and their evidences. It is actually a wise decision for GekkeBelg to just refer people to the thread and not re-creating the whole topic here as it'll make a lot of things gets mixed up because the conversation will then happen simultaneously in two threads.

See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5423018.0

That said, I'm coming here just to say that I saw wintomato was online yesterday, and there are a lot of questions left unanswered by them on the said thread. I'd advise anyone to tread carefully on this casino for a moment, at least until they could give clarification or clear their situation. OP, wintomato, please consider this as a re-invitation and reminder that you have an active scam accusation against you.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I ask one more time because you keep on dodging my question: how can it be that over a period of 11 months and a sample of around 2000 bets I am overall in minus and you still accuse me of arbitrage or value betting? How can it statistically be possible to not have a huge win over this period then?

In the court of law, one thing certain is that every statement spoken is always as important as anything else, and just like wintomato saying has warned you many times and only coming up with a single mail, which still doesnt justify their action of confiscated $29,000. Because what you just said above Is exactly the same thing i too wanted to ask "Wintomato", that why never they banned your account since but waited till now. Because for the fact that you won the games and was credited, its very unfail cancelling only all your winning slips, while neglecting the lost ones.

So in this case, I suggest wintomato do the needful by refunding the $29,000 back to O.P. Thanks

[Piesel]

Wow.....and now they have even blocked access to my account.....so childish! Well I'm glad I already took my screenshots as proof!

What exactly was your commitment before they blocked your account, in this your report theirs no cogent reason concerning this, nobody understands exactly what you are saying, because sometimes we do not understand where reaction or what people are being said concerning their issues, i have not seen anything as your issues here. Because it's not well stated, nobody can reacts to what you just said because it's understandable.

When a person refers to a site like that, it is because they have a very bad experience, but it would be good if they said what happened because that is something very bad to be in the casino thread making many accusations that are really strong and there is no evidence The tests are always the ones that speak for themselves, if the casino failed they have to prove it, otherwise it is difficult to help a player, because if they lost due to the same system of their game it is something that cannot be done much, always The safest thing we play is to lose, we try our luck in every casino, that's why they talk about autocontrol and all that.

Since the member said he/she have screenshot to back up the claim, I will suggest he go right away to submit the screen as his evidence that the in wintomato team really locked him out of his account, this is a strong accusation that needs urgent attention from both parties.

Not only does the caneeds need to respond to this so that it can save their reputation.

[GekkeBelg]

I ask one more time because you keep on dodging my question: how can it be that over a period of 11 months and a sample of around 2000 bets I am overall in minus and you still accuse me of arbitrage or value betting? How can it statistically be possible to not have a huge win over this period then?

In the court of law, one thing certain is that every statement spoken is always as important as anything else, and just like wintomato saying has warned you many times and only coming up with a single mail, which still doesnt justify their action of confiscated $29,000. Because what you just said above Is exactly the same thing i too wanted to ask "Wintomato", that why never they banned your account since but waited till now. Because for the fact that you won the games and was credited, its very unfail cancelling only all your winning slips, while neglecting the lost ones.

So in this case, I suggest wintomato do the needful by refunding the $29,000 back to O.P. Thanks

I just today made them the offer via email to pay me out my full balance (1.791 BTC) spread out over 12 months. So that would be 150mbtc per month only, giving them the chance to not have a large impact on their business and keep growing. Let's see if they take the offer, otherwise I will start legal proceedings, I have a lawyer ready to go in Curacao next week. Will keep you posted.

[Plaguedeath]

So in this case, I suggest wintomato do the needful by refunding the $29,000 back to O.P. Thanks

The @OP keep login in this account for the past few days, but their last post is November 26, so I'm pretty sure they're scared right now since they don't have enough bankroll to pay 1.791 BTC that they owe to @GekkeBelg. If the @OP keep silent, then it's a sign if they're wrong and the accuser is right, they need to be active about the accusation and answer every question that being asked by many users in the accusation thread.

[poer]

every player who wins they will not give
they will freeze the account
it even makes it difficult for players to withdraw player money
different from other casinos that make it easier for players
because other casinos have funds
while wintomato is for cheating players

[rendravolt]

So in this case, I suggest wintomato do the needful by refunding the $29,000 back to O.P. Thanks

The @OP keep login in this account for the past few days, but their last post is November 26, so I'm pretty sure they're scared right now since they don't have enough bankroll to pay 1.791 BTC that they owe to @GekkeBelg. If the @OP keep silent, then it's a sign if they're wrong and the accuser is right, they need to be active about the accusation and answer every question that being asked by many users in the accusation thread.

This problem should be resolved immediately, otherwise there will be more victims who suffer losses. The lack of activity on this forum is of course also a big problem because users feel neglected and it really confuses people. Also, after I checked his account in October, he didn't post at all on this forum, making him even more suspicious.