GPU confusion

[philipma1957]

I got this notice today for one of 29 cards on my evga list.


[Notice] Update To Your EVGA Order Notification Queue Status
Jun 25 at 12:03 PM

noreply @ evga . com <noreply @ evga . com>
To: philxxxxxxx @ yahoo . com
Hi philxx Axxxxxxx,

This email is to notify you that there has been a change to your notification queue status. You previously signed up to be notified when 08G-P5-3767-KR became available, but due to ongoing product availability, you have been moved to the notification queue for 08G-P5-3767-KL, which features NVIDIA LHR. These cards offer the same gaming performance, but with reduced cryptomining performance (Etherium). The products are identical in every other way. To learn more about NVIDIA LHR, click here.

EVGA has taken these steps to increase availability and speed up the queue for gamers looking to purchase a graphics card. Your notification queue position remains the same. However, if you wish to remain in the notification queue for 08G-P5-3767-KR you may "opt out " of this move; you will be once again placed back in the notification queue with your previous sign-up time. Please note that EVGA strongly recommends against opting out, because there is no ETA for availability and no guarantee that your order will be fulfilled for your original part number. Moreover, once you opt out, you may neither request to be placed back in the queue for 08G-P5-3767-KL, nor request an order notification for 08G-P5-3767-KL; you may only be in one queue at a time.

If you still wish to opt out of the move to 08G-P5-3767-KL, please click here. If you have any questions about this email, please contact EVGA Customer Service prior to taking any action.



Regards,
EVGA


So even though I had been on this list from

2/7/2021 till now for the 08g-p5-3767-kr is now  08g-p5-3767-kl

[FP91G]

If this video card is bad at mining Ethereum, then this is not a problem.
I have seen many posts that new video cards will also be limited on other algorithms.
https://market.yandex.ru/product--videokarta-evga-geforce-rtx-3070-ftw3-ultra-gaming-8gb-08g-p5-3767-kr/773524035
08G-P5-3767-KR is sold in my country for $ 1830, unless of course this is a mistake

[ASCiiDiTY]

It does affect other algos that use mem a lot like ETH, VTC and others are also affected.

[tg88]

Below are some examples found on the market:

Aorus: LHR is described as version 2 ou rev. 2.0

ASUS: LHR is described as version 2 (ex - ROG STRIX GeForce RTX™ 3070 V2)

Colorful: LHR it is L-V

EVGA: LHR is described in the SKU “KL” (ex - 8GB GDDR6 08G-P4-3080-KL)

Gainward: LHR is described as version 1 "V1"

Galax: LHR is specified in the product name (SKU) (ex - GALAX GeForce RTX™ 3070 SG (1-Click OC) LHR)

MSI: LHR is specified in the product name (SKU) (ex - 3070 GAMING TRIO PLUS 8G LHR)

Palit: LHR is described as version 1 "V1"

PNY: LHR is specified in the product name (SKU) (ex - PNY GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8GB UPRISING Dual Fan)

Zotac: LHR is specified in the product name (SKU) (ex - RTX 3080 Trinity LHR or ZT-A30800D-10PLHR)

Source: https://www.julianocaju.com.br/info/lhr.asp

[anu1908]

seeing more and more lhr these days. the pressure from gamers and mainstream tech media probably cause this. or nvidia just want to get profits by recycling some products and add a label to make it looks more appealing.

[FP91G]

I think that all the video cards that are now sold in stores are LHR. Except for founders edition (FE).
Even if I were a gamer, I would not buy the LHR version, because they have no right to restrict my actions.
I hope that after the decline in demand for video cards, Nvidia will begin to incur losses, because gamers will start choosing video cards from AMD.

[philipma1957]

hp.com sells a pc with a 3060ti founders if you have a student email you can get a very good deal on it.

I sourced two of them. They are a modded fe with a rear mount 8 pin jack.

I wish I could just get the card.

[adaseb]

I think that all the video cards that are now sold in stores are LHR. Except for founders edition (FE).
Even if I were a gamer, I would not buy the LHR version, because they have no right to restrict my actions.
I hope that after the decline in demand for video cards, Nvidia will begin to incur losses, because gamers will start choosing video cards from AMD.

Gamers are way too loyal to Nvidia. I don't think they will incur losses. With how big their company is at the moment they don't need miners buying their GPUs. When its earnings they post futures guidance without any miner revenue. IF they really cared they would of released those GPU mining specific video cards like in the past. Which is smart because it doesn't have displays so gamers won't buy them, only miners and has a shorter warranty. Then when the mining boom is done, the market won't be flooded with gaming GPUs but only mining GPUs which won't affect their GPU gamer sales.

AMD is also pretty big too, however I think they know that miners always prefered AMD throughout the years, especially during the litecoin/dogecoin days when nobody used Nvidia to mine and that they won't pull the plug on us miners. Remember when the RX series GPUs started to suffer with a reduced hashrate as the DAG went up? Well they actually released drivers to fix this issue called Compute mode. Wonder if Nvidia would do anything similar.

[arielbit]

I think that all the video cards that are now sold in stores are LHR. Except for founders edition (FE).
Even if I were a gamer, I would not buy the LHR version, because they have no right to restrict my actions.
I hope that after the decline in demand for video cards, Nvidia will begin to incur losses, because gamers will start choosing video cards from AMD.

Gamers are way too loyal to Nvidia. I don't think they will incur losses. With how big their company is at the moment they don't need miners buying their GPUs. When its earnings they post futures guidance without any miner revenue. IF they really cared they would of released those GPU mining specific video cards like in the past. Which is smart because it doesn't have displays so gamers won't buy them, only miners and has a shorter warranty. Then when the mining boom is done, the market won't be flooded with gaming GPUs but only mining GPUs which won't affect their GPU gamer sales.

AMD is also pretty big too, however I think they know that miners always prefered AMD throughout the years, especially during the litecoin/dogecoin days when nobody used Nvidia to mine and that they won't pull the plug on us miners. Remember when the RX series GPUs started to suffer with a reduced hashrate as the DAG went up? Well they actually released drivers to fix this issue called Compute mode. Wonder if Nvidia would do anything similar.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-aldebaran-memory-subsystem-detailed#xenforo-comments-3711111

hbm2e is coming next year...my prediction of x2 hashrate against 3090 will come

[philipma1957]

So this card if it comes may do 200mh

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-aldebaran-memory-subsystem-detailed

it will cost $$$

but if it does 200-250mh at 225-275watts

it is still short of the new eth asics

which do 3000 mh at 3300 watts

We will need to wait and see.

My only rig in the house is 2x 3090 and 1x 3060ti on a down clock doing 285mh at 675 watts it earns

285 x .07 = about $20 a day it burns about 16 kwatts at 20 cents = 3.20 nets just under 17 usd a day.

The 3090's are paid off.
The 3060ti is not paid off but will be in around 60 days. If I sell the pc it came with I could pay it more quickly.

[arielbit]

So this card if it comes may do 200mh

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-aldebaran-memory-subsystem-detailed

it will cost $$$

but if it does 200-250mh at 225-275watts

it is still short of the new eth asics

which do 3000 mh at 3300 watts

We will need to wait and see.

My only rig in the house is 2x 3090 and 1x 3060ti on a down clock doing 285mh at 675 watts it earns

285 x .07 = about $20 a day it burns about 16 kwatts at 20 cents = 3.20 nets just under 17 usd a day.

The 3090's are paid off.
The 3060ti is not paid off but will be in around 60 days. If I sell the pc it came with I could pay it more quickly.

at 275watts x 12pcs = 3300watts

12 pcs is 2400mh.

2400mh vs 3000mh both at 3300watts is pretty close

normally at 1/2 the efficiency is still good for gpus like 1500mh at 3300watts

[LostEcho]

What's the difference between a RTX3060ti and a RTX3060ti LHR and what confused me the most is the LHR, is this a better version for mining? I'm just trying to avoid something I may regret later thanks

Skinny48 answered you correctly. But the RTX3060ti LHR video card needs to be tested, if it has a low hash rate when mining Ethereum, then this is not a problem. You need to check the hash rate on other algorithms

https://whattomine.com/gpus/52-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti?cost=0.1
Therefore, you need to buy 1 video card for testing.
In your country, can the video card be returned a day after purchase or exchanged for another?

OP don't need to test rtx3060 ti before buying because even if he end up buying the LHR version other algorithms remains the same, the only difference is ETH algorithm mining, OP can use YouTube as there are already few videos about this on the platform

[FP91G]

What's the difference between a RTX3060ti and a RTX3060ti LHR and what confused me the most is the LHR, is this a better version for mining? I'm just trying to avoid something I may regret later thanks

Skinny48 answered you correctly. But the RTX3060ti LHR video card needs to be tested, if it has a low hash rate when mining Ethereum, then this is not a problem. You need to check the hash rate on other algorithms

https://whattomine.com/gpus/52-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti?cost=0.1
Therefore, you need to buy 1 video card for testing.
In your country, can the video card be returned a day after purchase or exchanged for another?

OP don't need to test rtx3060 ti before buying because even if he end up buying the LHR version other algorithms remains the same, the only difference is ETH algorithm mining, OP can use YouTube as there are already few videos about this on the platform

There is one problem here.
LHR graphics cards have dropped significantly in the last few days. They will not mine Ethereum, but they will reduce the profit on other algorithms.
Therefore, I always speak out against buying an LHR graphics card.

[philipma1957]

What's the difference between a RTX3060ti and a RTX3060ti LHR and what confused me the most is the LHR, is this a better version for mining? I'm just trying to avoid something I may regret later thanks

Skinny48 answered you correctly. But the RTX3060ti LHR video card needs to be tested, if it has a low hash rate when mining Ethereum, then this is not a problem. You need to check the hash rate on other algorithms

https://whattomine.com/gpus/52-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti?cost=0.1
Therefore, you need to buy 1 video card for testing.
In your country, can the video card be returned a day after purchase or exchanged for another?

OP don't need to test rtx3060 ti before buying because even if he end up buying the LHR version other algorithms remains the same, the only difference is ETH algorithm mining, OP can use YouTube as there are already few videos about this on the platform

There is one problem here.
LHR graphics cards have dropped significantly in the last few days. They will not mine Ethereum, but they will reduce the profit on other algorithms.
Therefore, I always speak out against buying an LHR graphics card.

I agree with you on this. I think they are not particularly a card to buy.

[arielbit]

What's the difference between a RTX3060ti and a RTX3060ti LHR and what confused me the most is the LHR, is this a better version for mining? I'm just trying to avoid something I may regret later thanks

Skinny48 answered you correctly. But the RTX3060ti LHR video card needs to be tested, if it has a low hash rate when mining Ethereum, then this is not a problem. You need to check the hash rate on other algorithms

https://whattomine.com/gpus/52-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti?cost=0.1
Therefore, you need to buy 1 video card for testing.
In your country, can the video card be returned a day after purchase or exchanged for another?

OP don't need to test rtx3060 ti before buying because even if he end up buying the LHR version other algorithms remains the same, the only difference is ETH algorithm mining, OP can use YouTube as there are already few videos about this on the platform

There is one problem here.
LHR graphics cards have dropped significantly in the last few days. They will not mine Ethereum, but they will reduce the profit on other algorithms.
Therefore, I always speak out against buying an LHR graphics card.

in the future i would avoid buying rtx 3xxx series(second hand) for mining, you wouldn't know if it is LHR or not. also models with gddr6x vrams are hot, you never know what torture it went through.

i was opting for amd with hbm2e but the gddr6x was the one available.

[Targonis]

I think that all the video cards that are now sold in stores are LHR. Except for founders edition (FE).
Even if I were a gamer, I would not buy the LHR version, because they have no right to restrict my actions.
I hope that after the decline in demand for video cards, Nvidia will begin to incur losses, because gamers will start choosing video cards from AMD.

Gamers are way too loyal to Nvidia. I don't think they will incur losses. With how big their company is at the moment they don't need miners buying their GPUs. When its earnings they post futures guidance without any miner revenue. IF they really cared they would of released those GPU mining specific video cards like in the past. Which is smart because it doesn't have displays so gamers won't buy them, only miners and has a shorter warranty. Then when the mining boom is done, the market won't be flooded with gaming GPUs but only mining GPUs which won't affect their GPU gamer sales.

AMD is also pretty big too, however I think they know that miners always prefered AMD throughout the years, especially during the litecoin/dogecoin days when nobody used Nvidia to mine and that they won't pull the plug on us miners. Remember when the RX series GPUs started to suffer with a reduced hashrate as the DAG went up? Well they actually released drivers to fix this issue called Compute mode. Wonder if Nvidia would do anything similar.

The people at AMD understand that whatever limiters are put in place, SOMEONE will come up with a workaround.   AMD is focused on just making a good product, and that's it.   Now, the GDDR6(not 6X) memory on the Radeon 6000 series is a huge limiter when it comes to mining performance, and throwing HBM2 memory at it would increase mining performance by at lease 20MH/s.   So, AMD has already put a limiter on mining performance by design.   AMD has also split its GPU development, the CDNA based(compute focused), and the RDNA based(Gaming focused).   These consumer cards are all RDNA 2, and result in a 60-64MH/s hash rate.   The CDNA cards will generally be the Radeon Instinct cards, so if you want something that will be better for mining, those will be the ones, BUT, they are aimed at the pro/server market, so won't be sold retail for the most part, and won't be cheap due to the target market.   The Radeon Instinct 200 should be amazing for mining once the mining software has been updated to support it, but don't expect them to be cheap.

[jasoncool]

I found a RTX 3070 ti which has no mention of LHR in the box or the white label on the side. Even the model number has no KL or KR.I believe first 4 digits of the serial number identify the year and week of the manufacturing date and according to the serial number it is SN2145 which is 2021/Nov. Given this is a new card could it be a LHR card though the label states it is rev 1.0 ?

[Wotan Wipeout]

All 30xx with "ti" are LHR.

[Williamm07]

All 30xx with "ti" are LHR.

You are right Wotan wipeout I never knew this before and I went ahead to buy a rtx3070ti not knowing it's also an LHR GPU but later I had no choice than to keep using it for mining, it makes no sense to sell since the box is already opened, thanks to NBminer now 60MH is possible on 3070ti which is now equivalent to 3060ti

[FP91G]

All 30xx with "ti" are LHR.

You are right Wotan wipeout I never knew this before and I went ahead to buy a rtx3070ti not knowing it's also an LHR GPU but later I had no choice than to keep using it for mining, it makes no sense to sell since the box is already opened, thanks to NBminer now 60MH is possible on 3070ti which is now equivalent to 3060ti

The GeForce RTX 3070 Ti can deliver 60 megahash, but the power consumption will be around 200 watts. This is the main disadvantage of this video card, and also the increased power consumption causes the video card to overheat and require better cooling.