Poor and middle class as a mentality

[GeorgeJohn]

Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life.

It's obvious that while some persons are born in linage of poverty is due to the initial foundations of their parents and the same thing is applicable to some people who are born in the wealthy family also, so what we are suppose to be looking at now is the factors that attribute or causes poverty and how to eradicate them for the offsprings.

For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs,

Yeah, it's one of the benefits to be educated or to attend school, is to be versatile in knowledge mentality so that the steps our parents made via poverty will be corrected, and it's obvious that teacher's actually gives students information that will transform them in life, so attending university is another avenue to be rich because all the necessary information needed to be prosperous in life are there, but at this point I'm not refuting the fact that it's only school that will change someone who are poor to be rich "No" we have other means, but educational system is the major one.

avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

To acquire skill is one of the important plan for someone that the family are not wealthy suppose to secure in order to elevate itself for the society, fighting government is not an option, so op I applaud you for creating this meditating topic.

[DrBeer]

Yes, and also - the mentality of a poor man, very often leads people to crime. For some reason, they believe that the criminal way of earning income is easier, more effective than, for example, starting to study, getting an education, and becoming, for example, a doctor, programmer, engineer, or starting a business. It is easier to sell illegal drugs, rob, steal, than think, make responsible decisions ...

[zanezane]

Yes, and also - the mentality of a poor man, very often leads people to crime. For some reason, they believe that the criminal way of earning income is easier, more effective than, for example, starting to study, getting an education, and becoming, for example, a doctor, programmer, engineer, or starting a business. It is easier to sell illegal drugs, rob, steal, than think, make responsible decisions ...

Wrong, the people who do crime because of poverty is desperate, if you give them a job, I am pretty sure that they will stop doing crimes. What we lack in this world is the opportunity to get jobs that will help us get money legally and in a clean way. Blaming them for being poor won't help their status.

[xSkylarx]

Yes, and also - the mentality of a poor man, very often leads people to crime. For some reason, they believe that the criminal way of earning income is easier, more effective than, for example, starting to study, getting an education, and becoming, for example, a doctor, programmer, engineer, or starting a business. It is easier to sell illegal drugs, rob, steal, than think, make responsible decisions ...

Wrong, the people who do crime because of poverty is desperate, if you give them a job, I am pretty sure that they will stop doing crimes. What we lack in this world is the opportunity to get jobs that will help us get money legally and in a clean way. Blaming them for being poor won't help their status.

Opportunity is really what people need that are not born rich. Most crimes are because of not equal opportunity to have a job or to earn a stable income. Rich people become richer because they can always dive to a new opportunity they want while poor or middle-class people are afraid to try new stuff because they don't earn that much. There are also rich people who prevent giving help to other people rise from poverty is because they fear that someday they would be more successful than them. Only a few are willing to help and be proud for someone to reach their level.

[swiftbits]

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

[BuNga_cute]

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

People who are born rich, of course, have many privileged and opportunities, but not all rich people are born successful. Because not all rich children
are educated properly by their parents, so some of them can only spend their parents money. Therefore, people who are rich from birth also need to
get the right education, so that they can take advantage of the excess money they have. Most of today's education system actually only teaches how
to get a job, but does not teach how to be rich.

[CoolerSid]

It seems that there are social elevators thanks to which you can abruptly rush to another class. However, they do not become a good person from this

[ethereumhunter]

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

I can not fully agree with you because common people can also have an opportunity, especially if they can work harder. It is about how each person can try hard to change their lives, whether they need a long time to achieve that thing. We might see that some poor people can change their lives by doing many things and having opportunities better than other people. If one person can face their problem without giving up, they will become stronger and face the next problem and grow in the future.

[(o)(o)ilikeboobs(o)(o)]

I have seen rich people behave and live rich lives because they dare to do things that poor, middle-class people dare not do. It is their out-of-the-box thinking that has enabled them to lead a rich and rich life.
The poor are educated by their parents and they have limitations. The mindset of these people is difficult to change because they have lived with it for a long time.

[radjie]

Yes, and also - the mentality of a poor man, very often leads people to crime. For some reason, they believe that the criminal way of earning income is easier, more effective than, for example, starting to study, getting an education, and becoming, for example, a doctor, programmer, engineer, or starting a business. It is easier to sell illegal drugs, rob, steal, than think, make responsible decisions ...

Wrong, the people who do crime because of poverty is desperate, if you give them a job, I am pretty sure that they will stop doing crimes. What we lack in this world is the opportunity to get jobs that will help us get money legally and in a clean way. Blaming them for being poor won't help their status.

the difficulty of getting a decent job to survive can make them feel hopeless, actually people like this don't want to try to run away from the poverty zone by always trying until they reach the point of success, even though to achieve the target of becoming a rich person is quite difficult to achieve the most important thing  it's not wrong to take criminal actions to be able to make money the wrong way

[SirLancelot]

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

I can not fully agree with you because common people can also have an opportunity, especially if they can work harder. It is about how each person can try hard to change their lives, whether they need a long time to achieve that thing. We might see that some poor people can change their lives by doing many things and having opportunities better than other people. If one person can face their problem without giving up, they will become stronger and face the next problem and grow in the future.

There is no scenario where a common person with no money could become like Jeff Bezos one day, never been done in history I have to say.

I am not saying that they can't make some money, sure you can start from zero, have poor family, go to bad schools and still manage to have 10+ million dollars when you die, that is definitely a possibility. My grandfather-in-law did that for example, he was born into nothing and grew up learning his business very well and opened up a factory and then even bought the next door factory and then the next one so he ended up with one factory as big as three factories when he died.

You know how much that worths? Around 4 million dollars. This dude managed to live a life of hard work and debt for 70 years and manage to die at 98 years old working until he was almost 90 every single day and he made 4 million dollars. Do not tell me hard work makes you wealthy, it just gives you a financial freedom a bit and that's it.

[Shenzou]

This is all true, but the ideas that we are taught in our early lives are completely different or at least some what change as we get older, so the poor when he sees the rich having a better life than he is, he changes his mindset that you are talking about and opt to change his situation in one way or another, and rich people also  could have a totally different mindset when they grow up, and also it is true that it could be based on the economic state of the country but we live in a connected world, which lets us want to improve by seeing other which totally changes the mindset that we have and our prospective.

[Quidat]

This is all true, but the ideas that we are taught in our early lives are completely different or at least some what change as we get older, so the poor when he sees the rich having a better life than he is, he changes his mindset that you are talking about and opt to change his situation in one way or another, and rich people also  could have a totally different mindset when they grow up, and also it is true that it could be based on the economic state of the country but we live in a connected world, which lets us want to improve by seeing other which totally changes the mindset that we have and our prospective.

Doesnt matter if you do live on a rich or poor country since there would be always two states in life when it comes to financial neither you are poor or rich or in average in lifestyle or situatioon.
When it comes to mindset and other things that been doing or actions then for sure it would be totally different since they are different in paths to take but doesnt mean  that it will limit out
those poor ones on changing their mindset for their own good and make their lives even way more better and this will vary on each person because not all would be having that kind of
dedication to make theirselves better in terms of that scenario. Mentality does really counts and if you are eager on making yourself some improvement then you would really do things.

[just_Alice]

This is a very insightful read.

I do think that nurture has a much larger role in determining outcomes compared to nature. Your physcial genes likely only determine the first 10% of your success, and the next 70-80% is really what you surround yourself with from an early age. The last 10-20% is actual effort/hard work.

It's not only a mentality, but also the networks and connections that you form. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the world is incredibly nepotistic.

Actually, that's a pretty common misbelief, I am surprised by how many people think that environment is more important than genes. Probably because most of us were told so at schools and no one ever questions it.

The fact is, there are published studies providing evidence that this might be wrong. Here's a great review summarizing a wide range of such studies: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2019.00044/full#B29

Here are some excerpts from this study:

In a large longitudinal study of English children, a correlation of 0.81 was observed between intelligence at 11 years of age and scores on national tests of educational achievement 5 years later. This contribution of intelligence was evident in all 25 academic disciplines. Even at much later age, intelligence remains stable: a single test of general intelligence taken at age 11 correlated highly with the results of the test at the age of 90.

The stability of intelligence, especially after a long time indicates the importance of genetic material, as it is obvious that the environment is changing and if it played such an important role, then with years passing the test results would have changed.

Finally, one of the most remarkable findings of twin studies is that heritability of intelligence is extraordinarily large, in the range 50%–80% even reaching 86% for verbal IQ. This makes human intelligence one of the most heritable behavioral traits.

Twin studies are very representative, as the genetic identity in twins is very high. Now, one could say that twins have similar performances due to the same environment, but I can hardly agree on that. I know a lot of twins that have very different interests, preferences, different friends, and, thus, quite different environments, especially when growing older.

The major problem with these studies is that "intelligence" is very difficult to measure, there's more to it than just IQ tests. But new studies keep emerging, and many of them are dedicated to identifying specific genes responsible for intelligence (with genome-wide analysis and quantifying single nucleotide polymorphisms), and they all seem to dispel the widespread beliefs that genes account for a very small % in terms of intelligence.

[Xinarae*]

There are many differences between the poor and the middle class the rich live in a much better place in all aspects of society and live a higher life. The poor are deprived of all aspects of society so they become poorer sadly those who have already passed from the poor to the lower middle class are re entering the poor and the poor are the poorest. Due to this global epidemic the world economy has lost its jobs and billions of people are losing the rich can help the poor if they want but these will usually depend on their mindset the rich exploit the poor.

[ethereumhunter]

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

I can not fully agree with you because common people can also have an opportunity, especially if they can work harder. It is about how each person can try hard to change their lives, whether they need a long time to achieve that thing. We might see that some poor people can change their lives by doing many things and having opportunities better than other people. If one person can face their problem without giving up, they will become stronger and face the next problem and grow in the future.

There is no scenario where a common person with no money could become like Jeff Bezos one day, never been done in history I have to say.

I am not saying that they can't make some money, sure you can start from zero, have poor family, go to bad schools and still manage to have 10+ million dollars when you die, that is definitely a possibility. My grandfather-in-law did that for example, he was born into nothing and grew up learning his business very well and opened up a factory and then even bought the next door factory and then the next one so he ended up with one factory as big as three factories when he died.

You know how much that worths? Around 4 million dollars. This dude managed to live a life of hard work and debt for 70 years and manage to die at 98 years old working until he was almost 90 every single day and he made 4 million dollars. Do not tell me hard work makes you wealthy, it just gives you a financial freedom a bit and that's it.

Work hard will give you something, I trust that. But there is one more thing that you should know that you need to work smart so you will use work hard + work smart. By doing those two things, you will know how to manage your funds and what you will do with that money.

From your story, your grandfather-in-law is one of the people who work hard + work smart because he starts from zero, he works hard to learn his business, and he also works smart by bought the next-door factory. That is a great lesson for us because by having two businesses, we can earn more money. And if we can manage it and still work hard + work smart, we can earn more money.

Maybe you can say that work hard will not give or makes you wealthy because I am sure and believe that there is something that you will get from what you did. Maybe you can get many friends, meet many friends, and spread your business, but you feel that you get nothing. But trust me, your children, your grandchildren will get that from you and that will be your legacy.

[zanezane]

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Opportunity is really what people need that are not born rich. Most crimes are because of not equal opportunity to have a job or to earn a stable income. Rich people become richer because they can always dive to a new opportunity they want while poor or middle-class people are afraid to try new stuff because they don't earn that much. There are also rich people who prevent giving help to other people rise from poverty is because they fear that someday they would be more successful than them. Only a few are willing to help and be proud for someone to reach their level.

Exactly what I was trying to say, if you even the playing field and make an opportunity for everyone, pretty sure that we will be able to destroy poverty, if you pool billions for each billionaires around the world, I think you can solve the problem, that's how easy it is to solve this problem. The reason why there's poor people is because to keep the middle class in line so they won't revolt against the ruling class.

[imstillthebest]

in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams..

what kind of country was that if they dont give any oppurtunity to its people ? but i believe every country even the corrupted ones have done something to its country .
people should not totally depend on the government but they must act on their own too if they want to succeed .
in poorer country , people were encourage to dream and think big because this helps them to change thier lives .

[perfect999]

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

Well, it is kind of that. That’s why as a person you also have to do your own research, and learn about things yourself without having to rely on what you’re being taught in schools and the rest of them. And also as parents I think it up to the parents to help in educating their children the right way. It’s good to ask them and know what they are being taught in school and correct the things you feel should be corrected, immediately. That way you will be helping to shape them into becoming a better person.

No parents should be wishing for their children to be at the same level they are, you should wish your children a better level than where you are, so it’s important that you work towards helping them achieve that and have a better life in future.

[AicecreaME]

The mentality of the people that belongs to different economic classes really varies. We are exposed to different surroundings, hence, we have different ways on how we view life and the circumstances we face each day.

For the people that are naturally born poor, they were used to witnessing things that are perceived as the basis of "reality of life". At a young age, they are introduced to labor to bring some food on their table and to make the ends meet in general. They are conditioned to just accept what kind of status that they have and just dream enough. A dream that is just the bare minimum like having to eat three meals a day, having clothes and slippers to wear, can drink clean water, and other basic human rights. They are conditioned that if they are born poor, then they will die poor. This is because poor people were mindsetted to just accept what they currently have, enclosing them not to dream high because they can barely afford surviving each day.

Meanwhile, naturally born average people are just at the middle. They are exposed to an environment that they can see both worlds. They can do what they want and dream , only as long as they can afford it. They get by without worrying much like poor people worry each day. They can live a comfortable life, but they have to continue working to afford and maintain the lifestyle that they have. Average people's mindset is to work until they achieve the things they want and to soon later on be wealthy enough to achieve the things they want in life. They aren't hindered that much to dream and achieve their aspirations.

On the other hand, naturally born rich are the top of the crop. They can do freely what they want and dream whatever they want and actually achieve it because they have the money. They have safety nets that will catch them if ever their plans will fail the first time they execute it. They aren't pressured much  to work their ass off because they already have what they need and want in the first place. The rich's mindset is often to become even much richer. The rich people are known go be business-minded persons and into investments that could make them generate more income. The money they will use is readily available. They won't worry where to get money to fund their businesses and investments, hence, most of them become multi-millionaire and even billionaire.