Poor and middle class as a mentality

[ccFOUND]

OP, the moment we read the subject, we drew an imaginary conclusion of what it could be about.
We thought it was probably about the mental state of a person that is being set by the society that how to categorise themselves as rich or poor. However, we read and found out how the irrelevant resources and lack of knowledge as well as discrimination of caste, creed, sex and religion also play a vital role in the making of riches and poors. The least availability of resources for poors is the reason why they are being fed about their poverty since their childhood by making them realise about it and it also applies to riches, but in an opposite manner.

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[oHnK]

It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.

It is very difficult to increase the level of the poor, especially with the pandemic which makes money more difficult and prices of goods continue to increase, I think state policies that can make poor people can change, the main factors are education, job training and business capital that will be able to change.

If it is said that the poverty factor is the low level of education in the community, then I will convey some interesting facts in the field when I am together with many poor people as a form of my care and responsibility in social institutions. The government as a regulator and facilitator has provided many educational facilities but many parents do not care for their children to go to school and do not pay attention that school is very important the result is that children are not interested in getting education so that in addition to a low level of education, family factors and parental love for children will greatly affect the growth and development of children and affect the future of their children.

[Kittygalore]

OP, the moment we read the subject, we drew an imaginary conclusion of what it could be about.
We thought it was probably about the mental state of a person that is being set by the society that how to categorise themselves as rich or poor. However, we read and found out how the irrelevant resources and lack of knowledge as well as discrimination of caste, creed, sex and religion also play a vital role in the making of riches and poors. The least availability of resources for poors is the reason why they are being fed about their poverty since their childhood by making them realise about it and it also applies to riches, but in an opposite manner.

In short, the mentality is made because a small group of people wants to control other people so they can make a lot of money and freely reign over those people. The things that you mentioned all in essence is used to control people and the only way to break through this control is if we destroy who is at the top.

[bitzizzix]

It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.

It is very difficult to increase the level of the poor, especially with the pandemic which makes money more difficult and prices of goods continue to increase, I think state policies that can make poor people can change, the main factors are education, job training and business capital that will be able to change.

If it is said that the poverty factor is the low level of education in the community, then I will convey some interesting facts in the field when I am together with many poor people as a form of my care and responsibility in social institutions. The government as a regulator and facilitator has provided many educational facilities but many parents do not care for their children to go to school and do not pay attention that school is very important the result is that children are not interested in getting education so that in addition to a low level of education, family factors and parental love for children will greatly affect the growth and development of children and affect the future of their children.

Most such parents do not think about their children's progress in school, and perhaps they think that the most important thing is that they have fulfilled their obligation to send their children to school.
and most of them do not supervise and also know the development of their children while at school where parents must always help their intelligence to teach what has been taught in school and good things to help their brain development, and that will greatly affect their future.
I think the government prioritizes needs and so on with what each school needs and also its facilities because they really expect a generation that is smarter and not stupid and also poor.

[DrBeer]

Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Hmm ... I can only agree that any opinion has a right to exist. But I definitely do not like the essence of it. Please tell me why a person who constantly works, and receives a good reward for it, should share something with someone, especially, probably with someone who, in order to improve his well-being, "does not put a finger on his finger" !? Why should a working person who wants to organize his life have to pay for a comfortable life at his own expense? I understand very well what charity is. But there is no need to pervert the idea of ​​humanity, good deeds, and to form a layer of lazy, stupid, doing nothing people living at someone else's expense. And will we also form a stratum of "slaves" who must work, develop, earn for their family and for a couple of families of such social ballast? Humanity should be logical!

[oHnK]

Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Hmm ... I can only agree that any opinion has a right to exist. But I definitely do not like the essence of it. Please tell me why a person who constantly works, and receives a good reward for it, should share something with someone, especially, probably with someone who, in order to improve his well-being, "does not put a finger on his finger" !? Why should a working person who wants to organize his life have to pay for a comfortable life at his own expense? I understand very well what charity is. But there is no need to pervert the idea of ​​humanity, good deeds, and to form a layer of lazy, stupid, doing nothing people living at someone else's expense. And will we also form a stratum of "slaves" who must work, develop, earn for their family and for a couple of families of such social ballast? Humanity should be logical!

There are 8 categories of people who are entitled to receive zakat from the rich, from those 8 categories, I don't think I will let the lazy wave continue against them.  Poor which is said in zakat is also different from the state version of poor.  Poor in the book of zakat is said when the income is not enough to meet the basic needs of one day, so when you have excess wealth isn't it normal to donate in the form of zakat?

[Charot12345]

The difference in the environment where the poor and middle class grow up is the number one factor that affect their mentality. The poor people mostly grow up in a place with less opportunity, with less resources, with less education facility and great educators and etc. Everything is lesser than what a middle class can have.  A middle class and rich people grow up and are already exposed to many opportunities, they can have the resources that they need, a high quality education and they are surrounded by people who can teach how to use the resources or money that they already to be more successful.

And also the mentality of poor people always focus on how to survive in the whole day. And the educators always focus on how to make thier student obedient that limit the kid's creativeness or to think out of the box that can greatly help them in the future.

[Assface16678]

If the people in control is always trying to put down the public and then blaming them that it's their fault then the mentality will stay there, they didn't ask for the situation that they were born in and it's not like they're lazy, it's just that no matter how hard they work, the people who make money the most are those at the top.

[ccFOUND]

In short, the mentality is made because a small group of people wants to control other people so they can make a lot of money and freely reign over those people. The things that you mentioned all in essence is used to control people and the only way to break through this control is if we destroy who is at the top.

We need not to destroy anybody because here we are talking about mentality, and it can be changed only if a better mentor enters the minds of poors to make them believe that 'they can become rich too' and being rich is not something that is privileged for the riches and their heirs only, it is the mental state of a person that categorises them as rich and poor. Some poors think they are rich because they are rich by heart, some riches think they are poor because they don't have heirs to carry forward their heritage while tutors and the society as well as even parents feed in the minds of children since their childhood that they are made to give labor (poors) or they are here to rule everyone (riches).

[shield132]

Usually, poor people and also poor countries are more religious and most of the religions tell you that being a rich is a sin and if you live like a martyr, then you'll rest in piece and all the rich people will become the victim of devils. And then these people often cool down their minds with the words like: Yeah, I am poor but I have a good soul, like when a bad looking guy says that he looks average / below average but he has a beautiful soul and other hilarious jokes.

There are also a lot of things there: People don't want to do what other people did to become a rich, what efforts they put, etc. It requires a decent and smart work from someone to achieve a high quality of life and become rich.

Also again, some very talented and open-minded but poor people live in countries where they can't achieve success because they have to work hard everyday just to feed themselves and there is a high nepotism there. Life is luck!

[DrBeer]

Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Hmm ... I can only agree that any opinion has a right to exist. But I definitely do not like the essence of it. Please tell me why a person who constantly works, and receives a good reward for it, should share something with someone, especially, probably with someone who, in order to improve his well-being, "does not put a finger on his finger" !? Why should a working person who wants to organize his life have to pay for a comfortable life at his own expense? I understand very well what charity is. But there is no need to pervert the idea of ​​humanity, good deeds, and to form a layer of lazy, stupid, doing nothing people living at someone else's expense. And will we also form a stratum of "slaves" who must work, develop, earn for their family and for a couple of families of such social ballast? Humanity should be logical!

There are 8 categories of people who are entitled to receive zakat from the rich, from those 8 categories, I don't think I will let the lazy wave continue against them.  Poor which is said in zakat is also different from the state version of poor.  Poor in the book of zakat is said when the income is not enough to meet the basic needs of one day, so when you have excess wealth isn't it normal to donate in the form of zakat?

Let's do this - I have not read the work you are talking about, and it would be, on my part, silly to argue on this topic, without knowing at least basic ideas or concepts. I will be very grateful to you if you give a link (preferably in English) for studying this doctrine / ideology, I apologize in advance - I do not know what to call it correctly!

And the question is - tell me, if I help the poor, for example, by giving them clothes, food, furniture, equipment that I do not need, is this help? Or does it have to be MONEY? But if I help a nursing home and an orphanage, buying food for them, for example, is it wrong? Is it better to share with their tenants money or other wealth that I have earned by my labor? I would like to understand the concept you voiced, and from this point of view

[Sithara007]

Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Handing out freebies can never be a perfect solution. If zakat could resolve the issue of poverty, then there should not be any poor people in countries like Somalia and Sudan. That is not the case. Also, the 2.5% wealth tax is a bit on the higher side, especially if this is done on top of regular income tax. So instead of handouts, I would argue in favor of giving education and skill training for the poor. Handouts will last only for a few days. But the education and skills are permanent and will stay with these people for their entire life and help them to find a proper job.

[shogun47]

Education only teaches us about rules, discipline, how to behave, build dreams, doesn't make us rich, only a means of bridge to success. Education here is very important whether it's a school for the rich or poor but does not determine one's fate. They can be successful and rich because of themselves, their efforts and never ending prayers.

Here in my country we treat education as a special factor or a special ticket to get a good job, education taught me how to become a good citizen, obey rules and regulation and be a good employer but as I remember in my 16 years of education up to my college days all that the education instructor taught is to become a good employer but never have had tell to become a good investor or businessman. I've been born and raised in a poor family which my parents instill in my younger mind to finished my studies to get a good job but they never told me to finish my study and get rich. But now those advices that I've gained from my parents and environment has now changed, i am still struggling in life but at least changing my mind set from my younger self I treat it as a good start for a new beginning.

I see what you are saying but another problem I notice with our current education system is the massive streamlining of everything. There is not enough flexibility and also insufficient individual programs. Yes I know there are thousands of programs by now, but everyone has a very specific set of talents. Yet people are sitting with 600 or even more in one room listening to the same stuff over and over again for decades. The only thing that often changes in the professor's presentation is the date in the top right corner, not the content.
I think you are right that essential stuff like investing and taxes aren't taught at all although everyone faces it from very early on. Picking the right insurances, saving money and many more things that are essential to a content life are not part of the educational schedule.

[bryant.coleman]

we must realize that poverty is unlikely to be eliminated. But we can do something to reduce poverty. In addition to the role of the government, we really have to help each other, by providing skills, education and health, I think this is the initial solution, but for all of this it requires a process, which cannot be done instantly.

How can you be so sure that poverty can't be eliminated? have you checked the situation in China? During the last two decades, they managed to completely eradicate extreme poverty. Wealth disparity will exist forever, because the population doesn't have the same skill set. But it is 100% possible to eliminate extreme poverty. And I don't agree with your argument that it is our duty to help the poor. The income tax levels are going up with every passing year, and in many countries the marginal tax rates have touched 60% mark. And it is not fair to ask someone who pays 60% tax on his salary, to further take out some money to help others.

[xSkylarx]

Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Handing out freebies can never be a perfect solution. If zakat could resolve the issue of poverty, then there should not be any poor people in countries like Somalia and Sudan. That is not the case. Also, the 2.5% wealth tax is a bit on the higher side, especially if this is done on top of regular income tax. So instead of handouts, I would argue in favor of giving education and skill training for the poor. Handouts will last only for a few days. But the education and skills are permanent and will stay with these people for their entire life and help them to find a proper job.

we must realize that poverty is unlikely to be eliminated. But we can do something to reduce poverty. In addition to the role of the government, we really have to help each other, by providing skills, education and health, I think this is the initial solution, but for all of this it requires a process, which cannot be done instantly.

Yes, the government should provide employment and education, but not only the government, but also the people, must do so. Because the government cannot meet all of the requests from its citizens, we must help and give to one another. There are people who are fortunate right now because they are wealthy, but some of them are not giving back to their communities. If everyone gave and provided something, I believe poverty would be reduced, but not eliminated.

[Obito]

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It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.

That's the mentality that keeps the poor poorer, we always think that if they just work harder and efficient, that they will be able to change their life, no it won't. We are too privileged to know that this world is unfair to the weak and poor. It's hard to reverse the situation when people like you think this way, that the only way to change is for the people to change their mentality, remember that there are people that are the victim of circumstances.

[Snappycoco]

Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

I somehow agree with some of your statement. I was raised in a middle class family where studying is a priority. In school we are taught how to follow rules and regulations and for me its a preparation for us to become a good workers. We are taught and being mold to become workers and not to reach the highs. It is hard to fight back in this manipulation by governments, its like we are destined to work for others and not for our own selves. By this, it's just a matter of dedication and skills to set free to these chains and build your own legacy. It's up to us whether we work for others or we work for our own company.

[Alert31]

we must realize that poverty is unlikely to be eliminated. But we can do something to reduce poverty. In addition to the role of the government, we really have to help each other, by providing skills, education and health, I think this is the initial solution, but for all of this it requires a process, which cannot be done instantly.

That's true! We can't eradicate poverty but at least we can do something to reduce it. Sometimes, people unable to get out of poverty because of their narrow outlook on life and they are content with being poor but if we can help them to educate themselves, I think their mentality will be change. It’s hard but if you can help even one person to get out of poverty, it’s going to be a huge thing.

But on the other hand, everything is balance. Even then, there has been poverty. IF everyone is rich, who will do that work that only the poor can do? Who will work for the rich?

[Sanugarid]

If the people in control is always trying to put down the public and then blaming them that it's their fault then the mentality will stay there, they didn't ask for the situation that they were born in and it's not like they're lazy, it's just that no matter how hard they work, the people who make money the most are those at the top.

That's right, some people are poor not because they're lazy but becauuse their governments failed them, they cared more about the things that will increase their influence rather than going to the root of the problem. And to the people that thinks that it's all about mentality, you have never experienced poverty before and how being poor keeps you in that line, you are privileged so you can't speak like they can just do what you're doing.

[KTYforce]

Agree with the OP that there's definitely a mentality for poor versus rich people, a "learned helplessness" or self-fulfilling prophecy that poor people have.  This doesn't mean that being rich and entitled automatically leads to success -- if put in an enivronment with bad opportunities, the rich may not succeed either.