The slave does not dream of freedom, but of being the slave-master

[DrBeer]

The original phrase sounds like this: "A slave dreams not of his freedom, but of his slaves." Author: Mark Tullius Cicero.
The meaning of the phrase about understanding freedom, and the fact that slave ideology does not even imply the achievement of freedom or the struggle for it, but only a primitive desire to take the place of the employer in order to realize their complexes, resentment and anger.

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[Kittygalore]

I don't see people as a slave because we are all working to achieve our dreams, I have my people and we are working together so we can achieve our common goal. Cryptocurrency are not created to make you rich instantly, it's main purpose is to give financial access to those who need it and that's not slavery. We have to be more optimistic with cryptocurrency, as we continue to grow many people will enjoy this market.

Yeah, people in the business sector don't want to make it look like that but if the people who works for you and you working doesn't have any time to do other things besides making money, you, me and the people you work with are technically slaves because we work our asses off over something that limits our self discovery.

[Obito]

The original phrase sounds like this: "A slave dreams not of his freedom, but of his slaves." Author: Mark Tullius Cicero.
The meaning of the phrase about understanding freedom, and the fact that slave ideology does not even imply the achievement of freedom or the struggle for it, but only a primitive desire to take the place of the employer in order to realize their complexes, resentment and anger.

That's the sad thing about this quote, we don't dream of being at the least free from anything but what we want is to be another generation of so called slave owners. I guess the emotions that you mentioned, if they were to be removed from human behavior, we might be able to achieve freedom or somewhat freedom because I think that we aren't truly free.

[ElmedoRator]

I understand the meaning of this saying, and it perfectly reflects what life is going on. We are all born with the instinct to always try to understand everything around us, depending on our thoughts, we will be satisfied with ourselves with life, or better yet, master ourselves myself.

[Fortify]

This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.

I think the term slave is an incorrect and overly emotive term in this context, exactly to get a rise out of people. It's actually an insult to people who were enslaved in torturous conditions and had no real choice to leave. There are many people out there who work a 9-5 job doing things that they enjoy and in some cases they also need managers who can direct their workload as required. Some people will be unhappy with their jobs or have financial commitments that make it extremely difficult to move elsewhere, but at least in more developed countries there are options out there such as retraining with new skillsets in your spare time. The internet has become a savior to many people and opened up all sorts of possibilities to learning from your very own home. I can see why the phrase is popular, but so are many other quotes that sometimes get misinterpreted or thrown around for social media karma.

[Lucius]

Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves?

No matter what anyone thought of the creator of Bitcoin, I firmly believe that he had no idea that someone would be the new master of some new slaves in any sense. Besides, why would a cryptocurrency that is decentralized in nature be the basis for any kind of slavery? - if we compare it to the current financial system, which in a way makes people slaves to the system.

I despise every form of slavery and I would severely punish people who still practice it today - and maybe cryptocurrencies will be a way out for someone not to fall into the jaws of slavery - because desperate people are an ideal target for those who capture and exploit them.

Slaves only dream of freedom - if you don't believe that, I suggest you take a look at the following link -> 'Such brutality': tricked into slavery in the Thai fishing industry

[Cling18]

I don't think there's slavery in the Crypto world since we're all benefiting from it through trading and investing. There's no such thing as slavery since we all have the freedom to choose where to invest and the freedom to create our own cryptocurrency so I don't see any relevance from the given phrase to cryptocurrency.

[Bitstar_coin]

This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.

Only if you think yourself as a slave, I know am not regardless of my financial status,   am guessing it is just part of the script although it does translate to our reality as humans, people strive in life to be independent, have self sustainance and not entirely depend on others, people become slaves if they are deprived of the opportunity to fend for themselves or if they willingly give that right up, you can be your own master  by getting your own sustainance that does not mean you are seeking to be the new master of new slaves.

[Desmong]

I understand the meaning of this saying, and it perfectly reflects what life is going on. We are all born with the instinct to always try to understand everything around us, depending on our thoughts, we will be satisfied with ourselves with life, or better yet, master ourselves myself.

Knowing the real meaning of the initial quote is difficult cause it relate to a lot of aspects of life. Seeing it from the view of being a boss is also part of the perspective we can relate it to. Although looking at time from the general view can means a lot but one can still have a good perception about it.
The liberty of being superior is always there but opportunity would trigger more of this influence with time.

[Vatimins]

This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.

     This type of mentality has always been hardwired to our brains ever since the dawn of time and only a handful of people can go over this type of mentality which is the true freedom. Sad thing is the reality that being different always means stupid, funny, or ugly. Which is why lots of people end up being trapped in a system in which they cannot free themselves and pass their chains on the next generation instead of encouraging them to be different and stand out among the crowds. Social standards and public view has become more important than the love for freedom and individuality that most people bully and cast these people out. Truly saddening. And as for this industry, I cannot see any difference.

[skarais]

Unfortunately, this phrase certainly applies to the majority of people in modern society. Most people find jobs simply to maintain life, though not fully being conscious of the fact that they spend most of their life on that job they don't like, I believe that makes them slaves.

I think this is a figuratively expressed reality in real life. In my country, a worker is highly dependent on a job that does not give him freedom with consecrated status with wages ranging from $30-$100 per month which sometime goes unpaid for months for various reasons. They want freedom while not many other jobs can accommodate them with better pay. I agree with most of your assumption.

Here, I quite often see young scholars competing and paying certain people just to be slaves with filial status. I have seen many friend spend most of their time and age just to earn a salary of $30-$100 per month in offices, schools, hospitals and others under the auspices of the government. But on bitcoin it seems that thing are not the same. We can determine our own destiny by taking responsibility for what we have, do, and get from it.

[RealMalatesta]

No matter what anyone thought of the creator of Bitcoin, I firmly believe that he had no idea that someone would be the new master of some new slaves in any sense. Besides, why would a cryptocurrency that is decentralized in nature be the basis for any kind of slavery? - if we compare it to the current financial system, which in a way makes people slaves to the system.

I despise every form of slavery and I would severely punish people who still practice it today - and maybe cryptocurrencies will be a way out for someone not to fall into the jaws of slavery - because desperate people are an ideal target for those who capture and exploit them.

Slaves only dream of freedom - if you don't believe that, I suggest you take a look at the following link -> 'Such brutality': tricked into slavery in the Thai fishing industry

I am not sure if the same thing could be said in the crypto world, we are basically free people here compared to the fiat world (and compared to your example). I am not saying that there aren't coin creators who want to be master of a coin and just see their project go super high and they want to be rich, look at all the centralized currencies and you will see that owners want to be kings of it.

XRP has whole company dedicated to it, they want to benefit from XRP success and profit from it, Justin Sun is another example, CZ is another example for BNB. However aside from that, in the decentralized part of the crypto world, we are the king, like when BTC went with the Segwit decision? It was all of us that decided it, we decided to use that blockchain, we moved to that, if we didn't then nobody could force us and that is the freedom we have right now.

[Lucius]

I am not sure if the same thing could be said in the crypto world, we are basically free people here compared to the fiat world (and compared to your example). I am not saying that there aren't coin creators who want to be master of a coin and just see their project go super high and they want to be rich, look at all the centralized currencies and you will see that owners want to be kings of it.

I wouldn’t agree that we can talk about some absolute freedom when it comes to finances and Bitcoin compared to fiat - because even though there are thousands of places where many things and services can be paid for with BTC, kings still sit in central banks and run our lives. Bitcoin has provided people with hope and an alternative, but from 2009 to date, by all estimates, less than 5% of all people in the world have touched that alternative at all.

A system that has been built and consolidated for centuries has made people slaves, it will not change as quickly as some hope - decades will pass until some more serious difference is seen.

You're right about this whole altcoins industry, their owners just want to make a profit and give people false hope with their projects - unfortunately, many accept the game in hopes of buying something cheap and selling it expensive even though most of those projects make no sense.

To conclude, there are few slave owners, and very many who have become their slaves - just look at all those bounty campaigns that take advantage of human misery and the desire for quick profits to end up giving them nothing or maybe just plain crumbs.

[Nunoluck]

I am quit from my company to continue my study because I don't want to be an employee forever. Although I am still a student  but I already run several pilot project, I learn many things from it. I think work in a company isn't like being a slave but it is about a team work, so I don't think that all companies have a culture like that slave culture. Working in a company isn't a bad thing although maybe it's not the best thing as well. Working in a company is depend on our skill and relationship. All manager in any level must have good human relationship skill. That's my opinion. Anyway I feel like I don't have a freedom when I work as an employee because my company keep give a big pressure to me.

[TopTort777]

Topic name reminds me of a Russian army. It is a duty of every men to server. There is a brutal hazing in Russian army. High ranked soldiers always mock newcomers. Then they demobilize, newcomers become high ranked soldiers and instead of tearing this lifecycle, mock newcomers.

Same parallels can be drawn for crypto scam. I'm quite sure, that people who got scammed, try to figure out how to return their losses with easiest and quickest way - scamming someone other.

[lovesmayfamilis]

There is an even more popular proverb that says: "Give a man power, and you will know who he is."
Our society today is like that. Some create and dreams of the freedom of cryptocurrencies, while others only want their enrichment. Satoshi's idea was far from manage someone, but today we see a lot of scams that hide completely vile motives under noble ideas, such as stealing money from investors, cheating, and everything else related to fraud.
And usually, the former slaves, who were humiliated, deceived before, become very cruel bosses.
Therefore, I can offer an even more beautiful proverb: "When you go forward, do not forget about those who are below. Because when you go down, you will meet them."

[RainbowKun]

With the increasing influence of Bitcoin in the world economic and financial landscape, more and more participants are beginning to embrace Bitcoin and invest in cryptocurrencies. So why do most of these people want to invest in Bitcoin? Is it because of belief in Bitcoin? Or is it the equality and freedom that Bitcoin can give him? I don't think so. They want to rely on Bitcoin to earn more wealth. This is what it is now expressing that what slaves dream of is not freedom but becoming a slave owner. Believe that earning wealth is the main purpose of most cryptocurrency participants.

However, compared to the traditional investment field, Bitcoin gives everyone the right to participate on an equal footing. Bitcoin gives everyone unlimited possibilities. As more and more people learn about Bitcoin, they have learned more knowledge. Bitcoin not only can bring wealth to everyone, but it can also bring us real freedom.

[imstillthebest]

Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves?

it depends on the creator of the crypto if he is creating a pump and dump coin then he is wants to be a master and is looking for slaves or investors that will buy his coin in order for him to profit but other creators of crypto do only wants the best for the people .
they dont want to be treated as a master but they cant avoid being called as a master because it was a form of respect for someone that helped you .

[michellee]

We use cryptocurrency means, we have full control for our crypto and we will decide when we should sell or buy or hold or whatever we want. We become our own masters because we can manage it for our life. But unfortunately, right now, we can not do that because that will depend on the government regulations and they will not easily accept crypto because they can not fully control the crypto. But we have the power to control our crypto and as long as we can send our crypto to other people, we still are our own masters.

[Gozie51]

I think that crypto currency is the freedom that human kind seek for. The government fights it because of that and they see that they are losing the battle and bring up CBNC

BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.

Yes it must be a quote from famous philosophers. I was researching on it and some said Hegel and other prominent philosophers mentioned but I'm not sure.

I searched below some information (but not very happy searching on slavery because Africa is one of the continent badly hit by slave trade and still under neo slavery, just for the sake of knowledge  )



https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/slavery (1279 slavery quotes)
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/slave (203 slavery quotes)

Maybe we could search those links and the real owner of the quote may be there.