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July 10, 2021, 01:56:42 AM
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I am glad to read this post, and it reminds me of Martin Luther King--I have a dream. Of course, his dream is to eliminate racial discrimination and Achieve freedom and equality.

The dream of a slave is to become a slave owner, which also illustrates the weakness of human nature. This depends on the person’s childhood knowledge structure and original ecological family. We can’t blame him. Maybe it’s not his fault.

But in the world of Bitcoin, the original reason for believing in Bitcoin, people all over the world have formed a strong consensus to make Bitcoin sing its way, but what is terrible is that the speculation is getting stronger and stronger, and huge wealth has been obtained through various means , Has completely deviated from the original intention.

Considering the problem purely from the perspective of economics, here I want to express two concepts, one is a product and the other is a commodity.

The product reflects the value of the thing itself, and the commodity only has the price.

When people pay too much attention to the price, just like the current encryption market, a hundred flowers bloom, all kinds of flies and mosquitoes come out, there will be various scams, scams, and make people miserable.

Altcoins have created many dreams that make people rich overnight, but many are traps.which means that to be a slave, if his dream is to be a slave owner, it is also very sad.
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July 10, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
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This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.


We have seen over time in history that this sentence or quote is actually true. Slaves don't dream of freedom, they dream to become slave masters. Infact, this has been the motivation for several people going up the success ladder. They strive, not to enjoy the freedom that comes with wealth but to be able to boss around and command other people.
With bitcoin, however, I believe there might have been some deviation from the original intention of its creation. Bitcoin was created to change the status quo of the financial system, return power to the masses and let people be in control of their finances. It was created to add value
This might not be the case now as several people only got involved with bitcoin because of the prospect of making money.

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July 10, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
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I wouldn’t agree that we can talk about some absolute freedom when it comes to finances and Bitcoin compared to fiat - because even though there are thousands of places where many things and services can be paid for with BTC, kings still sit in central banks and run our lives. Bitcoin has provided people with hope and an alternative, but from 2009 to date, by all estimates, less than 5% of all people in the world have touched that alternative at all.

A system that has been built and consolidated for centuries has made people slaves, it will not change as quickly as some hope - decades will pass until some more serious difference is seen.

You're right about this whole altcoins industry, their owners just want to make a profit and give people false hope with their projects - unfortunately, many accept the game in hopes of buying something cheap and selling it expensive even though most of those projects make no sense.

To conclude, there are few slave owners, and very many who have become their slaves - just look at all those bounty campaigns that take advantage of human misery and the desire for quick profits to end up giving them nothing or maybe just plain crumbs.
I am not saying that the other side is clean, fiat world is definitely trying to turn us into slaves, and trying to make us be happy about the fact that we can barely survive, they are making life so hard that anyone who can find happiness just a bit are seen as winning the world.

Why wouldn't I be able to live in a good house? Not saying a mansion or a castle but not some dump, a "decent" house, a house like simpsons house, simple house, why wouldn't I be able to go see any place in the world, we have the travel means nowadays, planes make it very easy, it is literally just few hours from where I am to all of Europe, why can't I do that? Why can't I buy all the games I want, all the game consoles I want? Why? We have the means to produce 8 billion of those in a year or two, it is not that hard, why can't I eat meat as much as I want? It is easy to do it if we all agree to use the resources accordingly.

Long story short fiat world makes things that are simple into very hard things and that makes zero sense to me, and it is called free market to give it some jazz but it is purely just evil that keeps people as slaves. Yet that doesn't mean that places like XRP and TRX and BNB are not centralized and looking to be the same thing.
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July 10, 2021, 12:11:02 PM
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Long story short fiat world makes things that are simple into very hard things and that makes zero sense to me, and it is called free market to give it some jazz but it is purely just evil that keeps people as slaves. Yet that doesn't mean that places like XRP and TRX and BNB are not centralized and looking to be the same thing.

If we say that people who currently reside and use fiat are considered slaves then I myself disagree.  Slaves are people who have no choice, haven't we all lived with the choices that exist and we also weigh all choices with the risks or rewards that result from those choices. Even in crypto projects, it's part of the choice.  There are many indicators that we can look at not to get caught up in a project that enslaves itself.  Is anyone forcing you to get involved in something?
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July 10, 2021, 12:36:07 PM
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there are always philosophical quotes to encourage life and respond to how times are changing. all have the advice that every slave has no freedom in any of his activities. he must submit to the elders.
Therefore, the freedom of owning cryptocurrencies makes us masters of ourselves without needing to follow someone else's index finger. financial freedom, personal interests, transactions at will. release the shackles of slaves so that they are no longer breastfed at the behest of their master. let's get rid of the ancient paradigm that shackles in every neck of the slaves and free him to choose the future according to his own will.

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August 03, 2021, 05:46:56 AM
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A slave is only a slave in his mind. The freedom of a slave begins when he stops to see himself as a slave. You could take the chains off him and set him free but he remains a slave because it has become his identity. He knows how to be nothing else. This is same for people who are stuck on traditional currencies, they don't want to open their mind to Bitcoin or any crypto currencies because they remain slaves to the old master.
Bitcoin offers freedom to the masses. We are modern slaves to the government and the banks. One spends years working one's back off to pay mortgage to the bank. I truly understood the power of money when I learned about bitcoin. During war, countries would first of all block the trading routes of their enemy in order to weaken their economy and starve them. Money can liberate and enslave

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August 03, 2021, 06:08:03 AM
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Almost everyone is a slave, even crypto holders are slaves. Humans are enslaved by the senses, desires, and emotions. Humans begin to get used to the situation that befell them. we start to compromise with the circumstances. Humans are still slaves. we are enslaved by pseudo ideologies. We are enslaved by outdated dogmas. We too are enslaved by outdated ideas and beliefs.

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August 03, 2021, 06:29:37 AM
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Everyone state themselves independent, but there is dependence. This dependence is the reason for the existence of different forms of opportunity. When our need increases, automatically we look for the better opportunity. In the modern society people are making themselves adoptive to situation to survive. Very few are passionate and following their dreams. Though we do the job that we don't like, at some point we'll be mastering it. With cryptocurrency we've got more masters, but people are in need. This is what makes path for existence of more cryptocurrency.

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August 03, 2021, 08:06:39 AM
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Almost everyone is a slave, even crypto holders are slaves. Humans are enslaved by the senses, desires, and emotions. Humans begin to get used to the situation that befell them. we start to compromise with the circumstances. Humans are still slaves. we are enslaved by pseudo ideologies. We are enslaved by outdated dogmas. We too are enslaved by outdated ideas and beliefs.
That's right. Many are not aware of this. Even I also did not realize that I was enslaved by something I had created, namely emotions and desires. When I entered the crypto circle, I aim to get money, if you have got money I want to buy what I want. Unconsciously I was enslaved by my desire.

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August 03, 2021, 10:25:41 PM
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Almost everyone is a slave, even crypto holders are slaves. Humans are enslaved by the senses, desires, and emotions. Humans begin to get used to the situation that befell them. we start to compromise with the circumstances. Humans are still slaves. we are enslaved by pseudo ideologies. We are enslaved by outdated dogmas. We too are enslaved by outdated ideas and beliefs.
In an African home, when you are amazed by a statement, they tend to cut a kolanut for you. That's exactly what I feel like doing right now. Your statement is super.
Do you know that if at all, those holding bitcoin never had idea of what it was and they were raised by Centralised system of life without any form of decentralized exposure, they will never and wouldn't accept take bitcoin.
If CZ was raised to be a politician with an ambition to become a president of China, he will hardly think of bitcoin talkess of the market place.
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August 04, 2021, 09:03:45 AM
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This image illustrates the power of Bitcoin, how it has and will liberate the masses from the slave masters. Last year businesses all over the world were forced to shut down, economies were disrupted by covid-19. We were made to believe this was for our safety and we bought it. That's how powerful these guys are

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Although everyone thinks that cryptocurrency is freedom, everyone cannot control cryptocurrency.
Like everyone, everyone wants to be a ruler. .
Real freedom is not something you can get by being a slave owner, nor is it something you can easily get by being a ruler. .
But freedom is very simple, depending on how you understand your freedom,
I feel that life is very good now. Family and friends are all around. It's  to have dinner together and discuss the cryptocurrency market. This simple happiness is enough, so we can simply enjoy life.
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August 05, 2021, 02:00:55 PM
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This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.

This is where irreverence comes in on the part of people who open their minds, I think the fact that there are so many slaves is because it was instilled in this way from training, I am in favor of believing in the philosophy of Robert Kiyosaki, which says that the greatest of all corrupt is the system in which we grew up, an educational system that was training us, making us professionals to be "Employees" of companies with 14-16 hours of work, but not to teach us about business, about investments, I think that to a large extent the BTC economy makes all this possible, at this moment due to the pandemic many people have woken up due to the need, I think it is a matter of time that many more people realize that the entire system It is corrupt.

If the educational system changed to teach us to be employers, to teach us to make money and to do business, everything would change if the system were more effective.


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August 05, 2021, 02:20:59 PM
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That's right. Many are not aware of this. Even I also did not realize that I was enslaved by something I had created, namely emotions and desires. When I entered the crypto circle, I aim to get money, if you have got money I want to buy what I want. Unconsciously I was enslaved by my desire.

Desire, of course, controls our emotions, this is because we are never satisfied and grateful for the circumstances we have, whatever we have will not bring happiness as long as we do not have gratitude, the best way is to control emotions and share with those in need.
some say life without ambition is empty....The human heart is initially empty but is filled with pride, desire and also greed by the ages.  being ordinary means deciding to be a slave forever, if you are not ambitious then close your ears and do what you think is good for you even if it means you become a dive slave.

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August 05, 2021, 08:35:09 PM
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It's all about what you do with power that determines whether you are a master or a leader. Not everyone who was able to command a multitude of culture and people did so in hopes of enslaving them in the process. Sure the majority may do but there are still notable exceptions to this question. Nonetheless, as a considered "slave" since I haven't created my own cryptocurrency and have no plans in doing so in the future, yet I am relatively faring well and couldn't wish for more other than hoping the cryptocurrency industry flourishes more and touch more lives in the future.
Although everyone thinks that cryptocurrency is freedom, everyone cannot control cryptocurrency.
Like everyone, everyone wants to be a ruler. .
Real freedom is not something you can get by being a slave owner, nor is it something you can easily get by being a ruler. .
But freedom is very simple, depending on how you understand your freedom,
I feel that life is very good now. Family and friends are all around. It's  to have dinner together and discuss the cryptocurrency market. This simple happiness is enough, so we can simply enjoy life.
Responsibility and morals is what keeps everyone tethered from freedom. To rule, you are given the responsibility to take care of lives under your morals. This could also be seen in cryptocurrency when someone releases their own cryptocurrency and garners interest and purchase from people. In some way or form everyone is a slave in this world, so it's not like you can't really get away from it. What matters at least for me is the fact that through cryptocurrency, and the technology that is behind it we are given a promise and a hope that the future wouldn't be as awful as our present.

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August 06, 2021, 07:53:47 PM
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Although everyone thinks that cryptocurrency is freedom, everyone cannot control cryptocurrency.
Point of correction Kiley33 bitcoin cannot be controlled or regulated by anyone, that's the freedom Bitcoin offers to the world. Satoshi nakamoto was a revolutionary and the creation of a decentralized currency was his gift to the cause of true freedom. Cbdc on the other hand are a different matter, cbdc are as bad as fiat

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August 07, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
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We are oppressed and we want to be free from it. Usually, there are two options: to separate from the world or to become a new ruling class.
It's like escaping from life to become a monk or become a company director.
An educated slave will think about spiritual practice, but an ordinary slave will only seek to enslave others to himself.
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August 29, 2021, 02:52:23 PM
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This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.
This phrase was something deep and made me think. In reality, almost all slaves or at the bottom of the ladder always want to be at the top.. at the top of the other. And someone at the top comes from being slave.
Or if you think it more deeply, it can reflect on anyone's life. A slave or poor people always want to have the chance, freedom, superiority, the opportunity and everything that a slave master has so their eyes are always in that, in their goal.

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August 29, 2021, 03:07:21 PM
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The faith and education of a country, a city, or a family play a key role.
For example, if most people in a family are teachers or doctors by profession, then most of the next generation of the family will also choose the same profession.
This is a product of education and cultural attributes.
They can't see a larger field of view, so their thoughts and choices are confined to a circle.

People who give up time, in fact, time also gives up him.
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August 29, 2021, 03:22:56 PM
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Slavery never ended. It was just renamed.

In the ancient Rome, if a slave behaved too well or paid the price, he could earn/buy his/her freedom.

It is still the same. If you work hard and please certain people (corporates) they give you enough money so you won't have to work (be a slave) anymore.

But if nobody works, who is going to produce stuff? So, as you see somebody has to make them nike shoes and work in the iphone factories.

When you gather enough money you become one of those slave-masters and the world keep making fresh stuff because there is a new slave born every second.

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