Question for admins: Add one more post in my thread maybe?

[Pmalek]

I am currently working on a thread where I am collecting the best discussions about the Lightning Network in one place. I reserved the OP and one post underneath it for the tables that link to all other threads.

The problem is that I am running out of space and reaching maximum character counts in both OP and the 2nd post. I would hate to abandon it because it's almost finished, so I am asking a question where I am already 100% certain that it isn't possible, but who knows. Maybe it can be done with some admin magic.

Would it be possible for the admins to add a new post in my thread and give it to me just below the #2 post, and kind of push all other posts one step lower? This sounds stupid even while I am writing it.    

[RapTarX]

I don't know how much old your post is. Now, if mod wants to add a post in #2, all the post-id which has been made later has to be changed. Because, you can't generate a post in June and use the latest post-id but old date. There are restrictions I guess.
Instead, you can link in the OP with bold characters. That would be the best solution IMO.

[Pmalek]

I don't know how much old your post is. Now, if mod wants to add a post in #2, all the post-id which has been made later has to be changed.

I don't know why it matters when the thread was created, but just for reference, it's from June 24, 2021. It's this one btw > All Lightning Network Threads In One Place.  

The new empty post should actually be #3, #2 is already mine. If the post IDs is something that can be changed automatically, I don't think anyone would care or mind which ID their post has.

Instead, you can link in the OP with bold characters. That would be the best solution IMO.

I have considered adding a piece of text that says the table continues here and a link that goes to a new post in my thread, but I would prefer to have the discussions neatly organized by dates one below the other, and not forcing the readers to jump to post #10, #20, etc. to check the rest of the table.

[hosseinimr93]

The new empty post should actually be #3, #2 is already mine. If the post IDs is something that can be changed automatically, I don't think anyone would care or mind which ID their post has.

I don't think RapTarX meant those numbers. Posts IDs are unique numbers allocated to forum posts. If they change, then all the links to the posts should change too.
For example, the post ID for the post number 2 is 57307364.

The only thing that comes to my mind is ask Charles-Tim to edit his post and add the content you want.
Since the post number 4 is yours, the other solution is ask Charles-Tim to delete his post.

[SFR10]

Would it be possible for the admins to add a new post in my thread and give it to me just below the #2 post, and kind of push all other posts one step lower? This sounds stupid even while I am writing it.    

Yes, it's possible; IIRC, Lauda had a similar problem on "this" thread, and one of the admins inserted a few posts on his/her behalf...

Post #5 = December 03, 2016, 09:47:44 AM
Post #6 = November 18, 2017, 10:23:09 PM ^{[was added after ten and a half months]}
Post #7 = December 03, 2016, 10:05:45 AM

[Charles-Tim]

The only thing that comes to my mind is ask Charles-Tim to edit his post and add the content you want.
Since the post number 4 is yours, the other solution is ask Charles-Tim to delete his post.

@Pmalek, I will delete my post, hosseinimr93 has a nice suggestion that I can help delete my post so you can edit your third post. If that okay by you, it will solve the issue.

Edit: already removed.

[Pmalek]

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Thanks for doing that, but I really wished it could have been solved in a different way without causing inconveniences where other users have to delete their posts. Especially after what SFR10 wrote about Lauda's thread.

Post #5 = December 03, 2016, 09:47:44 AM
Post #6 = November 18, 2017, 10:23:09 PM ^{[was added after ten and a half months]}
Post #7 = December 03, 2016, 10:05:45 AM

So it is possible to do. Let's see if someone from the mod/admin team will respond. Since Charles-Tim already deleted his post, things are OK now in my thread, but this could be interesting for other users who might find themselves in a similar situation. I didn't judge well enough how much space those tables would take and thought there wasn't so much LN content.

[1miau]

Since Charles-Tim already deleted his post, things are OK now in my thread, but this could be interesting for other users who might find themselves in a similar situation. I didn't judge well enough how much space those tables would take and thought there wasn't so much LN content.

Yes, I'm following your topic since I`m also having a similar problem. In our German "Translation Spam found, here you can report it", my second post is also limited and I can't add more data because I've reached the maximum number of characters.
I was planning to create a second part of it called "Translation Spam found, here you can report it, part II", like "Known Alt Accounts III" where old parts will still be linked but adding a new post #3 to my first part would be a better option.

Nice to see adding an extra post in an existing topic has been done before.  

[OgNasty]

I can’t imagine the administration would want to start wasting their time handling requests like this. I can only imagine the door they’d be opening to unleash a wave of nonsense on themselves. I would think the preferred method of handling something like this would be to create a new thread and lock the old thread. That way you could handle the issue yourself without admin help.

[Upgrade00]

I would think the preferred method of handling something like this would be to create a new thread and lock the old thread. That way you could handle the issue yourself without admin help.

Locking an old thread could lead to so many quality replies being buried along with the old thread.
It might be too much work for the admins to start entertaining requests like these, but they do not have to make it a habit, they can evaluate the situation and choose not to take any action; just as theymos does with display name change requests.

Thread starters should also try to be pro active to avoid situations like these one by creating enough reserve slots for future edits.

[Pmalek]

Yes, I'm following your topic since I`m also having a similar problem. In our German "Translation Spam found, here you can report it", my second post is also limited and I can't add more data because I've reached the maximum number of characters.

You are exactly in the same spot as I was. You could maybe ask eneloop to delete his post, which is #3 in your thread. Since posts #4-7 are all yours, maybe you can make some changes and merge two of them together so you can continue with your table from post #2 in post #3.

Try PMing theymos and ask him directly, why not!? You can use SFR10's post and Lauda's thread as example that it has been done before. You have a valid request and I feel I did as well.

It might be too much work for the admins to start entertaining requests like these, but they do not have to make it a habit, they can evaluate the situation and choose not to take any action; just as theymos does with display name change requests.

Exactly

[1miau]

Yes, I'm following your topic since I`m also having a similar problem. In our German "Translation Spam found, here you can report it", my second post is also limited and I can't add more data because I've reached the maximum number of characters.

You are exactly in the same spot as I was. You could maybe ask eneloop to delete his post, which is #3 in your thread. Since posts #4-7 are all yours, maybe you can make some changes and merge two of them together so you can continue with your table from post #2 in post #3.

Yes, I was considering it but I don't want anyone to delete his post(s) and if there's a solution, it would be much better if a new post can be added.
I believe I'm not the only one who would like to add some more "reserved" posts later. I've another topic where I'm running into the same problem but I can edit my next post there whenever I need more space.

Try PMing theymos and ask him directly, why not!? You can use SFR10's post and Lauda's thread as example that it has been done before. You have a valid request and I feel I did as well.

I will wait for now for an official response here about how it was done for the example from SFR10.
My guess is, it was done by a global moderator, maybe the permission can be given to all moderators.
Should not be much of an issue.

[Halab]

I will wait for now for an official response here about how it was done for the example from SFR10.
My guess is, it was done by a global moderator, maybe the permission can be given to all moderators.
Should not be much of an issue.

(This is not an official response)
I would be very surprised if GMs have the possibility to insert a post into a topic. I've never heard of this option and Theymos has disabled the option to merge two topics (we can split a topic in two though). I had a quick look at the SMF wiki and didn't see the option to insert a post into a topic. For Lauda's post, it looks like an edit directly in the DB (but I could be wrong), so don't expect anything.

[RapTarX]

For Lauda's post, it looks like an edit directly in the DB (but I could be wrong), so don't expect anything.

That's subjective to censorship   I guess. Maybe I'm going off topic. Who has access to DB? Is it only theymos and/or cyrus too? Or any other global moderator?
If theymos has access to it, I doubt he would change anything now as this is not a MUST doing, IMO; Lauda was something else though  

[Pmalek]

That's subjective to censorship   I guess. Maybe I'm going off topic. Who has access to DB? Is it only theymos and/or cyrus too? Or any other global moderator?

I doubt global moderators have access to the database. We know from some old posts that theymos has access to it. Someone else has access to an old database of Bitcointalk as well. Whoever hacked the forum back in the day.

Here is one post where theymos talks about who owns and has access to what:

Bitcointalk.org:
 - Cobra has ultimate control over the domain name. I have access to the domain name settings.
 - I run the server. Cobra has no access to the database or server.
 - The BTC is held by myself and the treasurers. Cobra has no access.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3284381.msg34255007#msg34255007

I don't know of any references that mention that Cyrus has access to the database, but I find it unlikely that he wouldn't have. Based on forum hierarchy, he is next in line and if something happened to theymos I am sure Cyrus has everything he needs to resume the work.   

[theymos]

Done.

Posts are ordered in threads by message ID. What we do in these cases is that we repurpose the ID of a deleted post which lies in the appropriate range.

Yes, I'm following your topic since I`m also having a similar problem.

An ID isn't available right at the top. I added one as far up as possible.

[1miau]

Done.

Posts are ordered in threads by message ID. What we do in these cases is that we repurpose the ID of a deleted post which lies in the appropriate range.

So, we need to find a spam post created later, after the first post but before the next post where we want to have it added, getting the spam post deleted and we can re-use its ID? 

Yes, I'm following your topic since I`m also having a similar problem.

An ID isn't available right at the top. I added one as far up as possible.

Many thanks, that'll help to re-arrange it a bit.
If the above is true, I'll also try to chase a spam post. 

[PrimeNumber7]

Posts are ordered in threads by message ID. What we do in these cases is that we repurpose the ID of a deleted post which lies in the appropriate range.

Does this mean that you do not keep track of the content of deleted posts? If not, that sounds risky. What did you do with the database entry for the old post?

[Pmalek]

Thank theymos, that will come in handy!

Does this mean that you do not keep track of the content of deleted posts? If not, that sounds risky.

I think you guys misunderstood. I don't think theymos meant that he deletes a random post (spam or not) somewhere on the forum to re-use its message ID and make room for an additional post like he did in my thread or in 1miau's.

He used the term "repurpose". I believe he checks the database of already deleted posts (posts deleted at one point in the past) and just reallocates the message ID of a matching post to a different forum member.   

[FatFork]

Posts are ordered in threads by message ID. What we do in these cases is that we repurpose the ID of a deleted post which lies in the appropriate range.

Does this mean that you do not keep track of the content of deleted posts? If not, that sounds risky. What did you do with the database entry for the old post?

Posts are deleted for a reason, storing their content would seem redundant. All posts are essentially records in the database, so removing a post also deletes its record from the database.
I think you're confusing deleting posts with archiving (threads) which is kind of like sending it to trash.