Have you noticed many newbies/junior members opening threads lately?

[Welsh]

Not true at all. If you are generating quality post, you will get merit. No matter it’s a reply or a thread itself. Without quality, no matter what you create, you are unlikely to get merit.
Regarding creating thread, I see no problem with that if the topic is something to discuss about, if the topic isn’t discussed hundreds of times. Then there's nothing wrong to create a thread.

I think its somewhat true, maybe less these days, but when merit was initially introduced, and we had less merit sources it was definitely the case. Although, I do think it still applies to an extent. In terms of exposure, users will usually read the first post, and maybe a few posts there on after, but when there's multiple pages the odds of users browsing all the replies diminishes somewhat. Of course, merit sources probably do read a lot more replies than the average user, but I think there's quite clearly an issue sometimes with users not reading the entire thread, and thus the probability of a post getting merit also diminishes with that.

A thread will likely always get more exposure than the replies, and therefore likely from a statistic point of view, will generally receive more merits. Not always the case of course, but in general I think that would likely be the case. Obviously, without any good statistics available its hard to prove.
 

[mersal]

I don't know if it's just my impression or what. And I don't know if it's just a coincidence. What is clear is that if you open threads (if they don't suck) it's easier to get merits. I don't know if they know it and that's why.

Probably 1/100 will get merit or two by doing this and also only if they create a thread for the valid query which isn't too easy to search at bitcointalk or Google. But there are newbies who become most top merited members with their contribution and knowledge so as youtube says "Content is the King" which means when someone got the potential along with a bit of luck then they will get recognition.

[ScamViruS]

1.beginners or accounts that have been blocked and create new accounts, I see their posts already know the questions and answers perfectly and also from a few words or quotes.
2. Newbies who are completely new to Bitcointalk, they really want to know the true discussion about Bitcoin on Bitcointalk.

You're right. But the problem is, some very clever newbies use different techniques to earn merit. At some point they become successful and get merit. And as a result of these activities, those who are really original newbies they face problems. And those members who use this kind of strategy, those who were in this forum before, for some reason it is not possible to use their old account. Because if you look at their posting strategy, you can understand that they are old members.

[suzanne5223]

What is clear is that if you open threads (if they don't suck) it's easier to get merits. I don't know if they know it and that's why.

No, I have seen alot of good thread that didnt get a single merit but it depend on the quality some merit source look out for before giving merit.

"Thank you" after they got posts with answer to their question or a step-by-step guide with solution to problem they had. Or for example they claim that "the earth is flat" and want to discuss that, but never respond on opposite facts other users present.

I cant explain why they behave like that. Sort of a posting to get more activity on account.

You are right but this don't happen in every occasion and it think make some newbie not to say thank you is individual understanding or the excitement/comfort of finding solution to the problem which seem to be much of a burden.
I have seen a newbie that had issue with MetaMask sign message which I help out and she said thank you.

[Welsh]

If you believe a thread is unsubstantial you can report it, and see if a moderator agrees. Although, I haven't seen too many threads being created recently which would fit the above criteria, and is unsubstantial. You might not agree with the thread or you might think its a bit crazy, but that doesn't really warrant removal. Also, if a user is creating a lot of threads, as long as it doesn't get too annoying there shouldn't be too much of an issue. I mean, as long as its constructive.

You're right. But the problem is, some very clever newbies use different techniques to earn merit. At some point they become successful and get merit. And as a result of these activities, those who are really original newbies they face problems. And those members who use this kind of strategy, those who were in this forum before, for some reason it is not possible to use their old account. Because if you look at their posting strategy, you can understand that they are old members.

I'm not sure to what techniques you are specifically alluding too, but simply creating threads wouldn't be one, unless they were opening threads which are already being discussed recently, and instead of replying on those threads, they open a new one. If a user is creating a lot of threads based on the fact that they are trying to get more merit, then that doesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing. I mean, without any specific examples, a user could just be getting a little more creative, and thinking what would benefit the community. Opening new threads more than average doesn't necessarily make it spam, it depends on the context of the situation.

They dont post a single "Thank you" after they got posts with answer to their question or a step-by-step guide with solution to problem they had. Or for example they claim that "the earth is flat" and want to discuss that, but never respond on opposite facts other users present.

I cant explain why they behave like that. Sort of a posting to get more activity on account.

Sometimes, there doesn't need to be anything else added to the discussion. They might have had their points countered, but they might not have an answer for it. Although, it is true that some users do open new threads, never reply, and it probably is due to the fact that they were trying to earn merit or gain activity. Although, its hard to say since they sort of activity happened before merit was introduced, and before activity was introduced. Although, it was definitely much easier to rank up before both of these were introduced so the point would probably still be valid.

[RainbowKun]

I don't know if it's just my impression or what. And I don't know if it's just a coincidence. What is clear is that if you open threads (if they don't suck) it's easier to get merits. I don't know if they know it and that's why.

I don't think you noticed anything new, it's probably just that more individuals have appeared who are full of enthusiasm and give the appearance of what you noticed. If we look in the Bitcoin Discussion we can find a few examples.

• RainbowKun
• ZUES xxx

Only the two of them are responsible for about 15 threads in the last 7+ days. Someone does it for the sake of merit, someone to promote their service, but I believe there are those who are honest and eager for discussion. It is quite clear that every quality open thread brings merits, and that it cannot be compared to any quality post buried in a mega-thread - some of them know that for sure.

I was reminded that it was mentioned in this post. Thank you for your attention to me. I just read this post from top to bottom, and I didn't expect everyone to be so concerned about new threads posted by newbies. Regardless of other newbies, I just talk about some of my feelings. In the past week, I did post a lot of new threads, but this definitely does not mean that these threads are repetitive or not of quality.


Although I am a newbies in the forum, I am not a newbies in the blockchain field.I have rich experience in blockchain industry. In the past three or four years, I have conducted deep learning and thinking on Bitcoin, and slowly formed my own knowledge system. Now I just output the content of my thinking in the form of different posts. Here, I want to emphasize a few points:

1.Merit is not my purpose. No matter whether there is merit or not, I will insist on writing and output. What I care about is the continuous output of my knowledge system, not to get a few merits;
2.All the content I write is my original thinking. I organize and output the fragmented information to form a systematic knowledge system. I disdain to plagiarize;
3.Although I write a lot of threads, there may be more in the future. But I will confirm that each thread has its own theme and content, has its own point of view, and has its own value.  At the same time, people who have read my threads may find out. I have a lot of content on each thread, and the amount of text is also very large, and the amount of content far exceeds the threads of other people in the forum. I have tried my best to let a thread carry more of my thoughts;
4.My own time is also very precious, and I have many other important tasks to do. I now try my best to squeeze out time to create original content. I don't know how long I can hold on, but I hope I can hold on as much as possible. Because I think the content of my writing is valuable to everyone. All my thinking is based on the relationship between Bitcoin and the future human civilization. I hope that through my continuous writing, I will open up everyone's constraints on Bitcoin thinking. What Bitcoin brings us is the sea of ​​stars.
5.Thanks again for everyone's attention, I will do my best to continue to export my knowledge. I hope I will become a legend not only in our forum, but also in the whole blockchain world. I know that I have to pay more time, energy and price than ordinary people, but I have this confidence and will persevere.

[UserU]

The only thing I've noticed is that when "newbies/junior members" open a thread, in most cases the did not leave any post after they've opened it.

Often they ask different question or share their opinion. They get numerous answers or posts where people disagree with them. But they never post back. They dont post a single "Thank you" after they got posts with answer to their question or a step-by-step guide with solution to problem they had. Or for example they claim that "the earth is flat" and want to discuss that, but never respond on opposite facts other users present.

I cant explain why they behave like that. Sort of a posting to get more activity on account.

Yeah, we see them dize a dozen. Mostly as an attempt to fish some Merits or "work in a company" like some fella posted recently.

They had the impression that they could start earning right off the bat but after seeing there's nothing that they could take advantage of, they leave.

[ScamViruS]

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I'm not sure to what techniques you are specifically alluding too, but simply creating threads wouldn't be one, unless they were opening threads which are already being discussed recently, and instead of replying on those threads, they open a new one. If a user is creating a lot of threads based on the fact that they are trying to get more merit, then that doesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing. I mean, without any specific examples, a user could just be getting a little more creative, and thinking what would benefit the community. Opening new threads more than average doesn't necessarily make it spam, it depends on the context of the situation.

I said some newbies think that if they open a lot of threads, they will get merit, so they try different strategies. I just talked about the purpose of those users. It is often seen that opening a thread from a newbie account is like "How to be a good member of the forum". Then when you get this kind of advice from these newbies, it feels different.

Those who open the informative and interesting thread should be encouraged more so that they share more creative and informative things for the community members. So as many new threads will open it will be good for us, it will be effective for the community members to learn something new. So It doesn't matter, which rank member has opened that thread.

[Mpamaegbu]

The only thing I've noticed is that when "newbies/junior members" open a thread, in most cases the did not leave any post after they've opened it.

Example is from this poster Should I get a loan? and I made a shot of the profile and the time difference between making that post purportedly seeking an answer and the last time the OP was active on the forum. It's just a second difference.



Up till now, the OP hasn't made another post and hasn't been online. It's almost a month now. The funny thing is that others are still posting and spamming there in their bid to proffer solutions to OP who has gone MIA.

[Rikafip]

The only thing I've noticed is that when "newbies/junior members" open a thread, in most cases the did not leave any post after they've opened it.

That actually a pretty common thing across various forums; people register on forum asking help for some specific issue or question they have, and after getting an answer, in majority of cases they just disappear and never come back. So yeah, nothing extraordinary there.

I did the similar thing on some other forums as well, disappearing after getting hep with specific problem I had, but at least saying thank you/writing few posts before going AWOL is part of basic posting etiquette, which many fail to do.

[UserU]

Up till now, the OP hasn't made another post and hasn't been online. It's almost a month now. The funny thing is that others are still posting and spamming there in their bid to proffer solutions to OP who has gone MIA.

It happens everywhere, those people hardly ever bother to check the date and keep bumping.

Dead bounties, threads, you name it, they're there.

[Lucius]

I was reminded that it was mentioned in this post. Thank you for your attention to me. I just read this post from top to bottom, and I didn't expect everyone to be so concerned about new threads posted by newbies. Regardless of other newbies, I just talk about some of my feelings. In the past week, I did post a lot of new threads, but this definitely does not mean that these threads are repetitive or not of quality.

Although I am a newbies in the forum, I am not a newbies in the blockchain field.I have rich experience in blockchain industry. In the past three or four years, I have conducted deep learning and thinking on Bitcoin, and slowly formed my own knowledge system.

To be honest, everything you wrote could realistically be contained in 2 or 3 threads, and by no means in 10 of them. In addition, such long posts will not attract a large audience, because a good part of users do not read anything but the title and a few first sentences - and they are not particularly interested in the philosophical reflections you present.

However, since you put a lot of effort into creating these posts, no one reported them on any grounds - although you still need to think a little about the fact that not every thought of yours is worth sharing with others. But this is just my thinking and well-intentioned advice, the number of answers (those of good quality and meaningful) in your threads will be the best indicator of what people think about your content.

[RainbowKun]

I was reminded that it was mentioned in this post. Thank you for your attention to me. I just read this post from top to bottom, and I didn't expect everyone to be so concerned about new threads posted by newbies. Regardless of other newbies, I just talk about some of my feelings. In the past week, I did post a lot of new threads, but this definitely does not mean that these threads are repetitive or not of quality.

Although I am a newbies in the forum, I am not a newbies in the blockchain field.I have rich experience in blockchain industry. In the past three or four years, I have conducted deep learning and thinking on Bitcoin, and slowly formed my own knowledge system.

To be honest, everything you wrote could realistically be contained in 2 or 3 threads, and by no means in 10 of them. In addition, such long posts will not attract a large audience, because a good part of users do not read anything but the title and a few first sentences - and they are not particularly interested in the philosophical reflections you present.

However, since you put a lot of effort into creating these posts, no one reported them on any grounds - although you still need to think a little about the fact that not every thought of yours is worth sharing with others. But this is just my thinking and well-intentioned advice, the number of answers (those of good quality and meaningful) in your threads will be the best indicator of what people think about your content.

Thank you very much for your kind reminders and valuable suggestions, thank you very much. I also know that these articles I write are hard to get the likes of most users. Few people can read all the text patiently. As you said, the words I wrote have become my philosophical reflections. I think more about Bitcoin from a philosophical and logical perspective. Most people now know Bitcoin mainly from a technical point of view and an application point of view. This has caused a bias in cognition. Perhaps few people now have the patience to read these words, I think it is not important. I believe that more and more people will start thinking about Bitcoin from a multi-disciplinary perspective, and my thinking will be helpful to these people. I believe these words of mine are alive. Maybe in the next five or ten years, someone will still read the words I wrote today and be inspired by them.
At the same time, although these articles of mine are in different threads, the views expressed by each individual thread are independent and have their own unique logic. Some friends may think that these articles are similar in content, but when we read each article carefully, we will find that the logic expressed in each article is different. Each has its own system. I also believe that this is also the greatest value of these articles. They can help more people understand Bitcoin from different angles and disciplines, and then develop a deeper understanding of Bitcoin.

[Mpamaegbu]

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[stompix]

Cleary the trend is here and more and more are popping up
One of them even dared to make topic how opening topics is not merit hunting:
I quoted 4 of his topics here, in none has me bothered to contribute to the discussion, and guess what, today 3 more

Meaning of mining
Don't be too desperate to make earning

Reason I love bitcoin


I reported the first one as it's pure garbage, let's see what the mods think about it.

With all the tools our beloved AI users have created, is there a way to track the activity rank of users that opened topics? I'm really curious about the percentages, especially in the BD section.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Probably 1/100 will get merit or two by doing this

Nah, I bet the odds are significantly greater than that, but it kind of depends on how much effort the newbie puts into the OP of the thread he started.  I think this was mentioned, but it seems like most newbies who create threads don't end up posting in them ever again.  It's almost as if they don't really want to discuss whatever the topic of their thread is; they just want to try their luck at getting merits.  Sometimes it works if the post isn't horrible, but I'd say it's more like a 10-20% chance that they do end up with some merits.

when someone got the potential along with a bit of luck then they will get recognition.

If you define "luck" as the generosity of a merit source that happens to read a thread started by a newcomer, then yeah, I'd agree.  But the main factor is the member's writing skill and the importance/significance of the topic--and we all know most of these threads are just complete crap and should never have been started in the first place.

[OgNasty]

I don't know if it's just my impression or what. And I don't know if it's just a coincidence. What is clear is that if you open threads (if they don't suck) it's easier to get merits. I don't know if they know it and that's why.

I think it's nice to see other people starting threads.  There are lots of longtime members who start their own threads and bump them endlessly as a way to earn merit.  Looking at the first 2 pages of this section alone I see 1 user has started and bumped 7 of their own threads dating back years...  It isn't really a problem with just new users.  So long as they see certain individuals getting handsomely rewarded for this behavior, you can't really fault them for attempting it themselves.  Be careful who you promote as leaders of this community because new users follow and the Bitcoiners are becoming few and far between here.

[Poker Player]

Looking at the first 2 pages of this section alone I see 1 user has started and bumped 7 of their own threads dating back years...  It isn't really a problem with just new users.  So long as they see certain individuals getting handsomely rewarded for this behavior, you can't really fault them for attempting it themselves.  Be careful who you promote as leaders of this community because new users follow and the Bitcoiners are becoming few and far between here.

I think I know which forum member you are referring to and I don't really know what it's all about but it seems to me that you have had a confrontation or something and I'm not going to get involved. But I'll give you my honest opinion.

The difference between that member and the newbies/juniors I mentioned is that the latter open a thread (often in the hope of catching credit) and then don't respond anymore. They don't bump their threads.

In the case of the user you mention, he not only has 7 threads in the first meta pages. He has a lot of threads in various sections of the forum that are very useful and have earned a lot of merit for it. To me in particular I have found the one about fees very useful.

In other words

1) The behavior of this user is completely different from the newbies I mentioned in the OP.
2) You are trying to paint a picture that is simply untrue. It's not like he somehow gets too much merit just because he bumps his threads as a technique to get them. He gets a lot of merit because he has written very useful posts that have served a lot of people over time and that's why he gets so much merit. It is very relevant to bump those threads because they help a lot of people.

[AverageGlabella]

This forum some times is a little too hostile towards newbies and while you might be right remember that there is other people that see it. You being hostile towards a member that probably is a alt could be putting off genuine newbies from posting. We do not want the reputation that we have started to get. If you think a member is a alt account then that does not matter because they are allowed. If they are abusing the merit system or trust system only then is it worth bringing it to light and you would need some evidence to back that claim up too.

You are trying to paint a picture that is simply untrue. It's not like he somehow gets too much merit just because he bumps his threads as a technique to get them. He gets a lot of merit because he has written very useful posts that have served a lot of people over time and that's why he gets so much merit. It is very relevant to bump those threads because they help a lot of people.

Well its both they are probably not bumping it out of the kindness of their hearts they are probably trying to get more merit by bumping that is not taking away from the fact that its a useful thread. Ognasty while probably a little too harsh has a point and its just as valid as yours.

If a newbie wrote a really good post they would probably keep bumping it hoping that they would get more merit you cannot just ignore that is their motivation the same as any higher ranked members the motive is the same.

[actmyname]

It's almost as if they don't really want to discuss whatever the topic of their thread is; they just want to try their luck at getting merits.

If you were an account farmer and you were sorely missing a series of easy replies to something you've milked, how easy would it be to simply create an account or access a low-activity account, and create a thread to fulfill that purpose of being a megathread?

Some users simply continue the cycle of low-effort posts.