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July 09, 2021, 09:45:22 PM
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I've heard about some countries beginning the development of a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). With crypto/Blockchain tech becoming extremely popular since the start of the pandemic a year ago, we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist. Crypto still has some challenges to overcome (like scalability, fungibility, and volatility). This will not be a problem with CBDCs as they will be manipulated by governments and central banks to a greater extent than today's Fiat currencies. All it takes is for central banks to copy Bitcoin's (or Ethereum's) code to start their own digital currencies for the whole world to use.

Now, the real deal would be getting people to adopt a new kind of money when they're used to paper money and credit/debit cards. Not everyone is quite fond with crypto/Blockchain tech these days. Third-world countries will be the ones left behind as they lack the infrastructure necessary to make CBDCs a reality. How fast will it take for the whole world to switch to CBDCs is beyond me. Time is moving fast during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there's no indication of a CBDC launching soon.

I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality? Will it be decades or centuries from now? Do you think it's still too early for CBDCs to come into fruition? If not, why? What may be the cause for delaying the launch of the new digital Fiat system? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley

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July 09, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
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There are no articles about Digital Dollar going to launch soon but everyone knew that Chinese CBDC is already up and running to several cities in China. If there is a chance for governments to look into what they are doing, they could start going there to look into it.

There are probably more countries that will likely adopt CBDC than Bukele had done. But I'm sure it will take some time, maybe a decade before all countries will have their own CBDC. They can't hastily shift to CBDC because there will be lots of people gonna be left behind. China gradually did it too to different cities.

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July 09, 2021, 10:49:55 PM
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I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality? Will it be decades or centuries from now? Do you think it's still too early for CBDCs to come into fruition? If not, why? What may be the cause for delaying the launch of the new digital Fiat system? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley

It's closer than we think, for example Digital Yuan, the roadmap is around 2023-2025. And currently, they are already doing some testing on some Chinese problems to see how viable it is and look for loopholes and problems that might arises in the future. And I would say that the USD power is diminishing, and if it continue it's path in the next coming years, maybe CBCD released is hurried up because of this one. And I think China will lead the race again, they have this "Belt & Road portal Silk Road" program and now that they have banned bitcoin, the paths are clear for them to have their Digital Yuan.

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July 09, 2021, 11:54:58 PM
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With crypto/Blockchain tech becoming extremely popular since the start of the pandemic a year ago, we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist.

What makes you think that crypto became more popular because of the pandemic? And people didn't ditch cash still, because it has been shown that it isn't playing any significant role in covid-19 transmission.

CBDCs are competitors to Visa and Mastercard and PayPal and all the other smaller companies. They are essentially the same thing, but government-owned and based on crypto technology because of the hype. But if user experience will be poor - i.e. high fees or long confirmation times, bugs, lost tranactions etc., than there will be no adoption, simple as that.

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July 10, 2021, 06:24:46 AM
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I've heard about some countries beginning the development of a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). With crypto/Blockchain tech becoming extremely popular since the start of the pandemic a year ago, we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist. Crypto still has some challenges to overcome (like scalability, fungibility, and volatility). This will not be a problem with CBDCs as they will be manipulated by governments and central banks to a greater extent than today's Fiat currencies. All it takes is for central banks to copy Bitcoin's (or Ethereum's) code to start their own digital currencies for the whole world to use.

Now, the real deal would be getting people to adopt a new kind of money when they're used to paper money and credit/debit cards. Not everyone is quite fond with crypto/Blockchain tech these days. Third-world countries will be the ones left behind as they lack the infrastructure necessary to make CBDCs a reality. How fast will it take for the whole world to switch to CBDCs is beyond me. Time is moving fast during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there's no indication of a CBDC launching soon.

I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality? Will it be decades or centuries from now? Do you think it's still too early for CBDCs to come into fruition? If not, why? What may be the cause for delaying the launch of the new digital Fiat system? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
We still don’t know if the central bank’s digital currency can emerge as a beautiful butterfly, but many countries have made substantial breakthroughs, including France, Sweden, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Turkey, Bahamas, Barbados, Uruguay, etc. At present, in China, there are already 6 cities as pilots to run the central bank's digital currency, and experiments are conducted on many university campuses.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/05/chinas-digital-yuan-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work.html

I think the central bank's digital currency will develop more perfect in 2-3 years, and maybe even ahead of schedule, especially in some countries like France, the United Kingdom, Japan, the United States, Russia, and China.
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July 10, 2021, 07:39:14 AM
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You might see the major credit card transaction companies begin to dabble in CBDC's in coordination with the big banks because the market's there -- it's a giant pain spending your own local currency across boarders, and you end up eating away a lot in conversion fees in case you go to a currency exchange. As far as adoption, meh, don't see it happening any time soon. People are afraid of crypto/blockchains, even if a big financial institution is supporting it with centralization.
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July 10, 2021, 08:10:19 AM
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I do not expect that the adoption of a digital currency project managed by governments will occur now, which will render all commercial banks useless, and therefore the existing economy today needs a real change in one of the most important arteries, which is commercial banks.
Some events, such as the Corona pandemic, will speed things up, but I think that a lot of opposition to such a project, as the first and last beneficiary of it is governments and individuals.

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July 10, 2021, 08:19:37 AM
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There are only a few countries who are in active R&D on CBDCs currently, and even those who are expected to bring immediate results have been struggling with realizing their goals with it. I don't expect to see CBDCs come into fruition in the next 5 years, as countries still have a lot on their plate from the recovery on COVID-19 and I don't think CBDCs will be their top priority. A transition towards a digital economy with the help of credit and debit cards however may come first, but ditching physical currencies in favor of CBDCs are, in the near future, still highly improbable.

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We still don’t know if the central bank’s digital currency can emerge as a beautiful butterfly,
Its not a butterfly. But yes, it does have the features of a similar being that waits inside a cocoon to burst out of the host and take its true form. The movie Alien comes to mind if you want to know what CBDCs are.

It can be taken for granted that CBDCs will be a reality sometime in the future. But this doesn't really make any difference to government and corporations that are already operating on by-wire money transactions. CBDC are meant for the common people. From what that BIS abomination was saying a few days back, it seems they really just want to have a track of what are you spending, where are you spending and how much of it is tax.

Coupled with targeted profiling for advertisement, this I think will be the end of creativity and freedom in human society as we have known it since the last century. Connecting every person to a database and then having them spend from a pool of constantly tracked and monitored numbers on a centralized database is as far removed from humanity as one can imagine. I fail to understand how people can even consider this as a "technology". This is just outright control and slavery. This is why Bitcoin is all the more important. It'd be stupid if we all just end up using CBDCs.

I for one would NEVER use it.

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July 10, 2021, 09:17:20 AM
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Many states are now considering issuing their own central bank stablecoins. This process is not so fast and takes at least several years, because finance does not like haste, and digital money is a completely new phenomenon. This process can accelerate significantly if the first states to introduce a digitized currency in their country achieve some success. Especially in this, China can surpass with its digitized yuan. If this happens, then the release of their digitized currency of states will simply be massive. This process can greatly affect the development and the cryptocurrency market in the future.

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July 10, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
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I've heard about some countries beginning the development of a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). With crypto/Blockchain tech becoming extremely popular since the start of the pandemic a year ago, we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist.
This is not true, to the best of my knowledge there'll never be such an era were paper money will become obsolete, even with CBDC's or dex crypto, fiat currencies will still be in circulation, and will be used more than any other form of currency, countries are not working on CBDC's to eliminate the use of paper money, many of them are erroneously using it to compete with Bitcoin, cause they do not understand that Bitcoin is decentralized and works in a pretty different way.
Crypto still has some challenges to overcome (like scalability, fungibility, and volatility). This will not be a problem with CBDCs as they will be manipulated by governments and central banks to a greater extent than today's Fiat currencies. All it takes is for central banks to copy Bitcoin's (or Ethereum's) code to start their own digital currencies for the whole world to use.
I think CBDC's will be manipulated just the same way the government does with fiat currencies, they can print and distribute it just as they like, and that will be the exact case with CBDC's, and that's why many governments are going for it, it's all about the same exact control that the government is obsessed with.
I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality? Will it be decades or centuries from now? Do you think it's still too early for CBDCs to come into fruition? If not, why? What may be the cause for delaying the launch of the new digital Fiat system? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
It'd definitely not take centuries, except prolly for underdeveloped countries, for developed countries it wouldn't take too long from now, we should be expecting the digital Yuan and dollar to be in use sooner rather than later, what you should understand is that it can't be used as much as fiat currencies, the government could make it's use compulsory on some sort of national payments or something of that sort, to somewhat encourage people to use it, but generally, it's use wouldn't be too widespread.

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July 10, 2021, 11:20:27 AM
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Well, it's already testing in other countries afaik, especially in China. Though it's still debatable whether other countries would actually follow, at the very least, there have been baby steps from other countries starting up the adoption. Tbh without an actual sample of sorts of what CBDC would like, it's hard to determine whether citizens would actually accept it or not. If it's just fiat hidden behind their "innovation" to make it as CBDC, then it wouldn't actually take that long tbh, since the framework has been set since long ago already. I'd reckon half a century or so as the maximum time needed?

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July 10, 2021, 04:05:08 PM
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There would be no point in centralized by CBDCs digital currencies because the main advantage of cryptocurrencies will be lost. I personally think that what the Chinese government is doing to their people is a crime, because they're leaving people no choice, everything will be tracked. After the imposure of a ban on crypto, fiat was their only way to be out of sight, and now they're about to ban it too.
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July 10, 2021, 04:15:53 PM
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I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality?

China is very close to that. Many people have already received e-CNY presents in order to spend them fast and see that the system works.

we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist

As long as internet is not available on each and every square inch of Earth, no, paper money will still exist for quite a while...

Now, the real deal would be getting people to adopt a new kind of money when they're used to paper money and credit/debit cards. Not everyone is quite fond with crypto/Blockchain tech these days.

CBDCs are not necessarily blockchain based currencies. Most probably not blockchain at all.
And the people don't actually care. If there's getting developed a simple way to spend the "new money", people won't care about the underlying tech.
And I don't think that's too difficult or expensive to develop PoS (point of sale) equivalents for "the new money" as soon as there will be demand for them.

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July 10, 2021, 04:28:13 PM
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This is not true, to the best of my knowledge there'll never be such an era were paper money will become obsolete, even with CBDC's or dex crypto, fiat currencies will still be in circulation, and will be used more than any other form of currency, countries are not working on CBDC's to eliminate the use of paper money, many of them are erroneously using it to compete with Bitcoin, cause they do not understand that Bitcoin is decentralized and works in a pretty different way.
Paper money will not become obsolete but it will become less used in time and the more digital money will be used, the more paper money might move to the underground markets.  There is a very strong attempt to create this idea in people's brains that digital is safer, paper is not.  They tried using the pandemic safety measures to push this into our brain and we definitely see an impact only one year later.

They said we should get rid of the old.  They called for backdoors in social media, smartphones, open source apps etc.  They want to make privacy seem a crime.  They are everywhere, they are manipulating us all through so many channels and most of us take the bait.  They are surely looking for a way to eliminate paper money and CBDCs are the best solution for them.

In the meantime however, they will meet a few barriers they might not be able to pass.  One such barrier is our grandparents and parents.  They are the hardest to accommodate to new technologies.  In fact, many of them barely have any idea how credit cards work.  Newborn children have access to technology since day one, which makes it an easy transition within the next few decades from paper to digital.

I think CBDC's will be manipulated just the same way the government does with fiat currencies, they can print and distribute it just as they like, and that will be the exact case with CBDC's, and that's why many governments are going for it, it's all about the same exact control that the government is obsessed with.
And instead of printing money, they will mint it and make it vanish within a single click.  There is nothing more tempting for a Surveillance State than a CBDC is.  Manipulation will be easier than ever before.

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July 10, 2021, 04:35:49 PM
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Now, the real deal would be getting people to adopt a new kind of money when they're used to paper money and credit/debit cards. Not everyone is quite fond with crypto/Blockchain tech these days.
El Salvador is getting hard time to get people used to use bitcoin. According to a survey by pollster Disruptiva, about 65% people don't want to use cryptocurrency. Out of the 1233 people surveyed, only approx. 20% people think that cryptocurrency adoption is good while others think that it’s not a good decision.
Source- https://gadgets.ndtv.com/cryptocurrency/news/bitcoin-price-cryptocurrency-poll-citizens-sceptical-cryptocurrency-standard-legal-tender-2482679
Nevertheless, this is the start. People need to be more educated, while the procedure must be made more easier so that, it totally works as the current mobile banking system. That would attract people using cryptocurrency.

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What the government wants us to think is that "they would be very similar to cryptocurrencies and could also replace them" but at the same time I do think that people understand for a fact that cryptocurrencies as a whole are way different as compared to what these new series of Fiat are trying to achieve. I do think that in countries where they have been going on about trying to ban bitcoins they are already one step ahead and are preparing to launch the digital currencies in the time being. At the same time their actions are being halted because of pandemic. When we talk about countries like El Salvador I do think that they would not go too much in with the crypto business.
What we do need to do is state out the fact that "these central bank currencies are no way similar to cryptocurrencies" as much as we can to generate the general awareness.

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July 10, 2021, 07:12:23 PM
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This is not true, to the best of my knowledge there'll never be such an era were paper money will become obsolete, even with CBDC's or dex crypto, fiat currencies will still be in circulation, and will be used more than any other form of currency, countries are not working on CBDC's to eliminate the use of paper money, many of them are erroneously using it to compete with Bitcoin, cause they do not understand that Bitcoin is decentralized and works in a pretty different way.
Paper money will not become obsolete but it will become less used in time and the more digital money will be used, the more paper money might move to the underground markets.  There is a very strong attempt to create this idea in people's brains that digital is safer, paper is not.  They tried using the pandemic safety measures to push this into our brain and we definitely see an impact only one year later.
What are your reasons as to why you think the following information is true or will happen, my argument isn't based on the fact that digital currencies wouldn't be popular as the years roll by, but I don't think it'd get to the stage of drastically reducing the use and demand for paper money. I mean, the government control both paper money and their CBDC's, they will simply both be used, but imo, paper money will definitely be used more. I think you're missing the concept, when it's Bitcoin or dex currencies in question, that's when the government usually promotes their erroneous ideology that their CBDC's would actually be safer to use, whilst Bitcoin isn't; but between CBDC's and the same country's fiat currencies, they'll both be promoted by the country as being great to use.

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I've heard about some countries beginning the development of a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). With crypto/Blockchain tech becoming extremely popular since the start of the pandemic a year ago, we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist. Crypto still has some challenges to overcome (like scalability, fungibility, and volatility). This will not be a problem with CBDCs as they will be manipulated by governments and central banks to a greater extent than today's Fiat currencies. All it takes is for central banks to copy Bitcoin's (or Ethereum's) code to start their own digital currencies for the whole world to use.

Now, the real deal would be getting people to adopt a new kind of money when they're used to paper money and credit/debit cards. Not everyone is quite fond with crypto/Blockchain tech these days. Third-world countries will be the ones left behind as they lack the infrastructure necessary to make CBDCs a reality. How fast will it take for the whole world to switch to CBDCs is beyond me. Time is moving fast during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there's no indication of a CBDC launching soon.

I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality? Will it be decades or centuries from now? Do you think it's still too early for CBDCs to come into fruition? If not, why? What may be the cause for delaying the launch of the new digital Fiat system? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
CDBC will take a long long time to become a reality, first implementation would be just backend, like you won't be able to use CDBC but the banks will exchange their money in form of blockchain and slowly it will be brought to retail customers, but don't expect paper notes to be eliminated anytime soon, I think they will float around together with CDBC for sometime, also CDBC unlike the expectations of most of the people aren't going to be so transparent and decentralized, the Supply could still be controlled by government.
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I've heard about some countries beginning the development of a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). With crypto/Blockchain tech becoming extremely popular since the start of the pandemic a year ago, we'll be heading to a new era where paper money will cease to exist. Crypto still has some challenges to overcome (like scalability, fungibility, and volatility). This will not be a problem with CBDCs as they will be manipulated by governments and central banks to a greater extent than today's Fiat currencies. All it takes is for central banks to copy Bitcoin's (or Ethereum's) code to start their own digital currencies for the whole world to use.

Now, the real deal would be getting people to adopt a new kind of money when they're used to paper money and credit/debit cards. Not everyone is quite fond with crypto/Blockchain tech these days. Third-world countries will be the ones left behind as they lack the infrastructure necessary to make CBDCs a reality. How fast will it take for the whole world to switch to CBDCs is beyond me. Time is moving fast during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there's no indication of a CBDC launching soon.

I wonder how long will it take for CBDCs to become a reality? Will it be decades or centuries from now? Do you think it's still too early for CBDCs to come into fruition? If not, why? What may be the cause for delaying the launch of the new digital Fiat system? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
CDBC will take a long long time to become a reality, first implementation would be just backend, like you won't be able to use CDBC but the banks will exchange their money in form of blockchain and slowly it will be brought to retail customers, but don't expect paper notes to be eliminated anytime soon, I think they will float around together with CDBC for sometime, also CDBC unlike the expectations of most of the people aren't going to be so transparent and decentralized, the Supply could still be controlled by government.
Its simply a digital fiat nothingless and i dont really see for fiat to be replaced anytime soon no matter what because as long government do exist then expect that fiat would remain forever.

For sure these CBDC's would be centralized which is really total opposite on decentralized crypto projects and actually there are already some had made their own

but whats the difference? Nothing right?

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