Best Bitcoin Mixer RN?

[bitblox]

Hello not sure if this is the right place to post or not

But im looking for a new mixer what is the best ones right now with high traffic?

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[vv181]

Chipmixer is surely the top of the mind here. It's a reputable mixer, it would be strange if anyone hasn't ever heard of it.

If you want to look at other options, just visit the below link, and do your own research
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

[bitblox]

yeah its being DDos right now and thanks for the link will look


Anyone else who knows any good ones please reply!

[jackg]

For better anonymity, you might want to use multiple mixers (and tor).

If you manage to find non kyc crypto exchanges, you can do source - > mixer - > few day hold in mixer or a throwaway wallet - > throwaway trusted exchange/gambling account (try to change the figure of what you withdraw by a bit) - > second mixer - > withdraw.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Chipmixer is the best known right now but there are also non-custodial options like Wasabi Wallet, Samourai Wallet and JoinMarket. There is also Mercury Wallet which uses statechains to swap coins between users off-chain.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Chipmixer is the best known right now but there are also non-custodial options like Wasabi Wallet

Worth noting that we shouldn't confuse CoinJoining with Mixing. They both make your final outputs obfuscate, but there's an entire difference between them. If you mix your coins, you leave no footprints in the blockchain; you essentially receive outputs that have no connections with your activity.

ChipMixer is indeed a great mixer, but I believe you should read the available mixers and judge by yourself what's better for you: 2021 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Risky business mixing coins, you might end up with dirty coins that get reported as stolen & have some uncomfortable questions from an exchange when trying to sell them eventually. Unless you really must mix them I’d advise not to.

I’ve read about people being quizzed as to how they acquired coins after said coins were reported to have been previously hacked or something.

It’s just me but I see no reason to mix clean coins.

[o_e_l_e_o]

yeah its being DDos right now and thanks for the link will look

The Tor site is still working just fine, despite the clearnet site being DDOSed - chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion

If you manage to find non kyc crypto exchanges, you can do source - > mixer - > few day hold in mixer or a throwaway wallet - > throwaway trusted exchange/gambling account (try to change the figure of what you withdraw by a bit) - > second mixer - > withdraw.

I don't see what adding an exchange or gambling account in to this process does, other than risk your coins being seized by them, and risking all your privacy when they lock your account and demand KYC. If you don't trust a single mixer, then just send directly from one mixer to another.

It’s just me but I see no reason to mix clean coins.

Privacy. Just because I'm not doing illegal and my coins are clean, doesn't mean I want whomever I receive coins from being able to identify my wallets and stick their noses in to my past, present, and future financial transactions.

[dkbit98]

But im looking for a new mixer what is the best ones right now with high traffic?

Chipmixer is the best bitcoin mixer at the moment, they are very active in bitcointalk forum since 2017 and they have very good reputation.
Just make sure you are using official address and avoid using any other shady unknown btc mixers.

yeah its being DDos right now and thanks for the link will look

You can use their onion to website (find it in my signature) that is better than using clearnet.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

Chipmixer all the way, they have been promoting in this forum for a really long time now and I think that it's a testament as to how trustworthy and useful their service is. And you can be sure that it's all good to use them because they are reputable so there's no way they're going to screw you over.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Chipmixer is the best known right now but there are also non-custodial options like Wasabi Wallet

Worth noting that we shouldn't confuse CoinJoining with Mixing. They both make your final outputs obfuscate, but there's an entire difference between them. If you mix your coins, you leave no footprints in the blockchain; you essentially receive outputs that have no connections with your activity.

ChipMixer is indeed a great mixer, but I believe you should read the available mixers and judge by yourself what's better for you: 2021 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites.

The process might be different but it is still mixing. The developers of Wasabi and Samourai even describe it as mixing. Mixing itself isn't enough to hide your tracks. Chain analysis companies have been able to track users of ChipMixer as well as Wasabi. Post-mix behavior is always an important factor for maintaining privacy.

[Kittygalore]

For better anonymity, you might want to use multiple mixers (and tor).

If you manage to find non kyc crypto exchanges, you can do source - > mixer - > few day hold in mixer or a throwaway wallet - > throwaway trusted exchange/gambling account (try to change the figure of what you withdraw by a bit) - > second mixer - > withdraw.

This is a lot of process just to hide your coins, privacy coins could do the work too right. Also, would TOR be an optional thing to do because in my country it's pretty laggy to access TOR and I am probably have more luck accessing bank vaults than opening TOR with how slow the Internet is in my country.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Chain analysis companies have been able to track users of ChipMixer

Do you have any evidence to support this statement? Or did you mean people's post-mixing behavior is enough to deanonymize them, as opposed to any flaws in ChipMixer's processes? As far as I am aware, ChipMixer is one of the only mixers in which it hasn't been possible to link deposits and withdrawals.

Also, would TOR be an optional thing to do

Depends. If you don't use Tor then you won't leave any additional blockchain evidence, since your IP is not recorded on the blockchain, but you will reveal your IP to any servers you connect to (such as in the case of SPV or custodial wallets), any nodes you connect to, any explorers you use, and the mixing site themselves, all of which could be used to deanonymize you.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Chain analysis companies have been able to track users of ChipMixer as well as Wasabi.

Who are the users of ChipMixer? Do you know anything we're unaware of? 

The procedure is completely different. As I said, you don't have any connection with your previous transactions and it's meaningless for someone to start searching for addresses that may be related. Try mixing 100 BTC with CoinJoin; it's a matter of time that you'll be revealed. With the mixer, you'll receive better privacy. Still, not 100%, obviously, but better than with CoinJoin.

Depends. If you don't use Tor then you won't leave any additional blockchain evidence, since your IP is not recorded on the blockchain, but you will reveal your IP to any servers you connect to (such as in the case of SPV or custodial wallets), any nodes you connect to, any explorers you use, and the mixing site themselves, all of which could be used to deanonymize you.

Not to mention the government. They keep track of every IP's activity. If you want complete anonymity, then Bitcoin isn't your thing.

[magneto]

Yeah without a shadow of a doubt Chipmixer.

Has been around for very long since the exit of BitMixer from the mixing scene. Has robust advertising which shows you that they are well funded when it comes to their budget. Zero to very little fees.

It has also endured a bunch of attacks and came out of each one with stronger security instead of folding. Definitely worth trusting as an entity imo - don't go with the newer, shadier sites out there that seem like a good idea.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Chain analysis companies have been able to track users of ChipMixer

Do you have any evidence to support this statement? Or did you mean people's post-mixing behavior is enough to deanonymize them, as opposed to any flaws in ChipMixer's processes? As far as I am aware, ChipMixer is one of the only mixers in which it hasn't been possible to link deposits and withdrawals.

Who are the users of ChipMixer? Do you know anything we're unaware of?  

The procedure is completely different. As I said, you don't have any connection with your previous transactions and it's meaningless for someone to start searching for addresses that may be related. Try mixing 100 BTC with CoinJoin; it's a matter of time that you'll be revealed. With the mixer, you'll receive better privacy. Still, not 100%, obviously, but better than with CoinJoin.

Different blockchain analysis services were able to determine that ChipMixer was used by Binance hackers, KuCoin hackers, Twitter scammers, and ransomware attackers.

This doesn't necessarily mean that ChipMixer is flawed because they probably used other methods to deanonymize the users that were caught. With the amounts of BTC involved in these attacks it would require a lot of patience and cautiousness to effectively be able to hide your tracks.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Different blockchain analysis services were able to determine that ChipMixer was used by Binance hackers, KuCoin hackers, Twitter scammers, and ransomware attackers.

Thanks for the links. Particularly the first one makes for some very interesting reading. However, none of them were able to "break" or otherwise deanonymize any ChipMixer users, as far as I can see. The first paper specifically notes in its discussion that "Our approach only traces Bitcoins that are sent to mixing services", and that "Tracing Bitcoins beyond mixing services is much more complicated". Tracing bitcoins which are deposited to ChipMixer is not that difficult due to its unique chip payout structure, but if you can't link deposits with withdrawals, then your analysis completely breaks down and user privacy is completely protected.

As you say, outputs from ChipMixer which have been deanonymized have been so because of other factors, such as being combined with non-anonymized coins or deposited to accounts with linked personal information. I am yet to see any evidence of anyone being able to "break" ChipMixer.

[ChipMixer]

Chain analysis companies have been able to track users of ChipMixer as well as Wasabi. Post-mix behavior is always an important factor for maintaining privacy.

This is correct. ChipMixer is not magic one step button to achieve privacy without any understanding. There are many factors that affect mixing and post-mix behavior is very important.

you can't link deposits with withdrawals

KuCoin investigation shows that hackers (that unfortunately used our service) deposited large and much above average amount of funds into address (later identifed as ChipMixer deposit address) and then sweeped same amount of chips next block. They did this multiple times - each time joining sweeped funds with previously sweeped funds. If address A has 123.456 BTC while address B has 0 - then after 100 blocks address A has 0 BTC while address B has 123.456 (minus mining fees) any blockchain analysis will know. This is post-mix behavior that makes you lose privacy.

Do:
If you are mixing average amounts - your protection is better. More similar transactions like your - guessing is less reliable.
If you wait before sweep or spend - your protection is better. More delay time - more transactions that are similar to your.
If you deposit 6 mBTC and spend 4 and 2 separately - your protection is better. There are more transactions that can spend 4 mBTC than 6 mBTC.

Do not:
If you do large deposit and instantly sweep - there is very low chance of coincidence that you have deposited and somebody else sweeped same amount of chips after 20 minutes. Which is why (non-recommended) sweeping on site is delayed and grouped with other transactions.

Different blockchain analysis services were able to determine that ChipMixer was used by Binance hackers, KuCoin hackers, Twitter scammers, and ransomware attackers.

Those are important articles for anyone interested in blockchain privacy. There is lot of money spent to track those big targets. You can read about their mistakes and learn how to avoid them for free.

[RapTarX]

Do:
If you are mixing average amounts - your protection is better. More similar transactions like your - guessing is less reliable.
If you wait before sweep or spend - your protection is better. More delay time - more transactions that are similar to your.
If you deposit 6 mBTC and spend 4 and 2 separately - your protection is better. There are more transactions that can spend 4 mBTC than 6 mBTC.

If I'm correct, LoyceV sometime ago had shared one way to track ChipMixer input by grouping them into 2 mBTC, 4 mBTC or something which I can't exactly remember. Why don’t you instead allow users to have their desired input of any amount; not tied with 2 mBTC, it can be 0.00256 BTC as well. I'm not sure such things existed in ChipMixer or not; I can't remember exactly as I had checked out long ago.

[ChipMixer]

Why don’t you instead allow users to have their desired input of any amount; not tied with 2 mBTC, it can be 0.00256 BTC as well. I'm not sure such things existed in ChipMixer or not; I can't remember exactly as I had checked out long ago.

If customer wants custom value of chips then chip cannot be ready before deposit unless we predict all possible sizes and create them beforehand. If they always get chip created after deposit then it is less private than getting chip created after deposit or before deposit.