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July 16, 2021, 12:19:47 PM
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Quite a bold claim, knowing that using the war analogy is actually nonsensical because you're pretty much risking not only money, but your life. You can re-earn money, but you can't re-buy your life.

There's literally nothing wrong with having high risk high reward investments as long as you practice proper bank roll management(obviously going all-in is a bad idea), and that you actually know that the investment you're making is high risk high reward in the first place.

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July 16, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
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Between why must the risk only related to war? What about investment risk and similar risk as well? People took a high risk believing in btc and they were handsomely rewarded, I for once will not take any unnecessary risk except it has to do with earning something in return or a positive benefit, to me, not all type of risk that is worth taking,  especially the type that has to do with war should be highly considered before doing anything that could lead to regrets. In any situation there are always certain people who will benefit from it reason why it is very important to think before acting.

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July 16, 2021, 12:46:53 PM
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Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

In the world wars, young and naive people go to battle field and fight each other to death, they take risk to protect the war that they can never win, while they’re being manipulate by the other group of elite who do not like to take such risk. These elite tell the young people to take the risk despite they know it’s risky and they don’t want take the risk but want someone else to take such risk. Many people died and sacrificed in the war that can’t be won. The elite do not take the risk, not only they didn’t take risk they also profit a lot from the war, for the people who love to advocate high risk high return, NOPE you’re wrong, they take no risk while they can make the maximum profit that those of you who take risk can only dream of.

Since the war is over, it’s not profitable for the elite anymore. They know what is their next move after the war. Yup, money, they’re now looking at money, they know money has the same properties to a world war, they also know they do not like to take risk, so now they tell all you idiot to take risk that they don’t want to take and deceive you to believe high risk high return, you’re real idiot if you didn’t learn from the previous lesson, you’re idiot if you didn’t learn from the world wars, you’re idiot to take risk that they tell you to take while they making maximum profit taking no risk at all.

Soldiers are trained before they are deployed to a battlefield. They are equipped - physically, mentally, and emotionally strong enough to do their tasks and duties for the country. In simpler terms, they are fit for their job because, in the first place, that kind of job position requires certain qualifications to be able to secure a spot.

But this is totally unrelated to cryptocurrency. World war doesn't equate to crypto. You are making the wrong analogy here.

In cryptocurrency, you only risk what you can afford to lose. You should know that the moment you entered the crypto world. High risk, high return is applicable only if you know what you are doing and you analyzed and studied your move before doing so. Risking a high amount will be nonsense if you'll invest it in the wrong coins. Hence, you should do your own technical analysis first and make sure you'll regret nothing once things go wrong.

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July 16, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
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If you compared between war and investing, they are totally different. It's not comparable, war is a risk that is very visible in its impact.  Investing is a step to financial freedom, so the risks cannot be seen with simple logic.  You must learn risk management to measure the risk of investing.  War and investment is not an apple to apple comparison.  Your logic is slightly wrong comparing the two.
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July 16, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
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Time = Money

The world of finance follows the same rule! So whoever has longer time in hand, is more willing or capable to take risk. Because that person knows that if anything goes wrong, he/she has time to recover.

On the other hand, an old person doesn't have a lot of time in hand. So they are not much willing to take risk. It's as simple!

However, millionaires are less prone to all this because they make their own rules! Let's not complicate this!

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July 16, 2021, 04:44:52 PM
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Exactly, there is no guarantee for you to make a big profit when you take a really high risk. It means that you are more likely to lose all or some of your money also. For example, we see DeFi projects in Binance. They carry a big risk and there is just a probability for you to make a high profit.

For me taking only very small risks means leaving the money in a savings account or buying a money market fund. There is no way you going to make a profit. Without risk there is no reward, why would anybody give us a decent interest for free? And all these low risk investment are actually losing money if we factor in inflation. As investors we need to take atleast some risks to make a profit.
With bitcoin, i do think this "high risk high reward" statement is quite real because if you can buy a big part of bitcoin then that would mean bigger profit too. But making profits in crypto just don't come easily. You need to be more skilled and even more patient to become successful in crypto. Otherwise, if you only invest in crypto without doing deep researches first and deep analysis, then you will most likely to lose your investment even how big the capital you invest.
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July 16, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
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I don't understand the comparison of war and investments but I agree to some point about high risk and high return logic.

And for those elite, yeah, they won't be the ones that will be on the floor battling their enemies and have their lives at risk but instead they hire someone to fight for them.

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July 16, 2021, 07:21:01 PM
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The analogy of war that you have given is very true and we all know brains of those admitted in army are brainwashed to such an extent that they are trained to think about nothing but their duty. To some extent they are our heroes as they protect us from the evil but the truth is that on the other side too are some similar heroes of that country who are losing their lives for that country. And all this has happened merely in a quest of power and resources.

Anyhow, coming back to the risk return things, markets are not similar to war in any context, people do say that wall street is a war from traders but truth is in markets it's upto you if you want to be the Hog that is murdered in the battle or the elite who make profit from this battle. High risk, high return is a thing but has to be done with your risk profile in mind. If you are risking more than you afford to. You might make profit for 99 days but will lose all that profit in a day.
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July 17, 2021, 06:37:57 AM
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The various altcoins and air coins that have been popular recently are examples of high risks and high returns. Investors who like high risks and high returns are stupid. Wealth doubles, but it is also possible to have nothing. Many Aircoin altcoins have not yet passed the security audit. This is not safe. When you buy an altcoin that has not passed the audit, it is actually equivalent to putting your property into the other party's wallet. If you like low-risk cryptocurrencies, I strongly recommend that you buy mainstream coins, Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc., but if you choose to buy altcoins, I think no one can give advice because it is not safe.
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July 17, 2021, 08:18:07 AM
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This is BS to a certain degree, yes OP is right but not in a way that OP thinks, high risk investment without an extensive knowledge of the investment is the naive thing to do but if you are otherwise, then you will probably have no probably because you know that your risk is worth it because you know about it and you know the potential can bear fruit.
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July 17, 2021, 08:51:40 AM
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Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

In the world wars, young and naive people go to battle field and fight each other to death, they take risk to protect the war that they can never win, while they’re being manipulate by the other group of elite who do not like to take such risk. These elite tell the young people to take the risk despite they know it’s risky and they don’t want take the risk but want someone else to take such risk. Many people died and sacrificed in the war that can’t be won. The elite do not take the risk, not only they didn’t take risk they also profit a lot from the war, for the people who love to advocate high risk high return, NOPE you’re wrong, they take no risk while they can make the maximum profit that those of you who take risk can only dream of.

There is actually more to it than being naive. One thing that an older investor will tell you is that younger people have one of the most important assets when it comes to finances - they have time. That allows them to make mistakes and recover much easier than someone later in life who has less room for error. Naturally there is also a learning curve where people have to make and learn from their own (hopefully small) mistakes to become wiser.

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July 17, 2021, 09:40:53 AM
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Yup, money, they’re now looking at money, they know money has the same properties to a world war, they also know they do not like to take risk, so now they tell all you idiot to take risk that they don’t want to take and deceive you to believe high risk high return,


What I believe your post is trying to talk about is some countries who make weapon of war always like to instigate wars so that they can sell their machine and war materials because for them it is business and making money and whether young people die or not isn't their business. They make agreement with some government to trade in troublesome environment so that issues of conflict will keep arising

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July 17, 2021, 09:55:12 AM
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>Your post not very consistent. Is high risk the problem or taking risk at all?
do you think it’s plausible to take risk under current circumstances? Let’s say you have just one credit left to beat an arcade game from level one, take all risk, and only make the risky moves, or stay safe, keep defending and wait for opening to make your moves?

>I can guarantee you that most adult regularly take risk in their businesses but the responsible/experienced ones try to minimize risk as much as possible while working to be profitable.
they take risk in their business and goes broke? Or they take risk to circumvent the martial laws?

>So, both young and old should be well prepared to avoid taking big risk.
now you think it’s not good to take risk, so how about taking risk in business again?

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>I don't really understand what you mean by making this post...
I think even toddler can get the idea, you need to read again and again to fully get the point.

>high risk is good when you know what you are doing, cryptocurrency is an example of high-risk high return, and you see what is happening in the market that many people are also successful from high-risk investments like cryptocurrency.
are you blinded by just the reward from the high return but not considering the high risk they went through? Do you ignore the 98% chance of high risk failure rate?

>basically, you have to know how much risk the asset you invest in, never invest in things you don't know.
I think it’s the same guy who tell you to invest in stock market, they also tell you fundamental... invest in blue chip... invest in stock market... don’t sell you haven’t loss if you didn’t sell.

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>It is understandable that when you are 20 years old, you could put in 50-100 bucks and try to go for that 100x profit, or read the 100 dollar startup and try to make the same thing, or hope that you will one day work for yourself and have your own business and hire people and get rich.
delusional, making 100x profit requires to scam a lot more people than making 2x profit.

>Those type of big dreams usually happen when you are younger, because when you become 30+ years old like me, all you want is stability in life, for example I have a great job right now, and I am willing to work like this for 30 more years and then retire as an old man and just relax, that is a valid thing for me, I am not after huge sums of money anymore like I used to.
that is ambitious to think of simply settle down for one purpose for the rest of life, thing always change, and life purpose always change too.

>Nowadays my "get rich" dreams usually involve a lot smaller stuff that requires me not working, for example get enough money to retire now and go to a sea side place and simply read, watch netflix, swim and repeat that until I die, not own a billion dollar worth business.
that won’t be possible without putting some effort to make it, it’s also probably what many people want to achieve, which is why it’s more challenging since everybody want to go to the sea resort and retire, very soon you have so much people all in the same place, the place become plagued with unrest.

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>Sometimes young people are the most lucky ones, they still have their chance of loosing. So, why not?
what is the “they have chance” are you blabbing? Do you think they have more credit in their arcade games than everybody else? How many coin they have and how many coin everybody else have? They have more coins?

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>Nope you are wrong, you probably failed in taking risk that's why you are saying this stuff regarding high risk, high reward is a bad thing.
you think it’s wrong?

>I don't see how you are right about it, of course you compare elite to plebians like us which is the right thing to do,
Now it is right? What give??

>they don't take risk because they already have the money and if they park it at the safest place, it will eventually go up.
So, don’t take risk?
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July 17, 2021, 01:05:04 PM
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Quite a bold claim, knowing that using the war analogy is actually nonsensical because you're pretty much risking not only money, but your life. You can re-earn money, but you can't re-buy your life.

There's literally nothing wrong with having high risk high reward investments as long as you practice proper bank roll management(obviously going all-in is a bad idea), and that you actually know that the investment you're making is high risk high reward in the first place.
I had exactly the same feeling. Investing with high risk for a huge return is a mentality and not a problem but risking your life for a huge return isn't a mentality but a problem. People fighting in wars are not doing it because they expect a huge amount of money or such, but they do it for honor and pride most of the time. One may take pride in giving away his life for his country while someone else may not and none of them is wrong or right.

War is a completely different scenario and investing shouldn't be compared with wars quite frankly. Crypto investments have always been termed as high-risk investments by a lot of high-profile traders and that isn't taken in a negative sentiment by anyone because crypto indeed is volatile.

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July 17, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
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If you compared between war and investing, they are totally different. It's not comparable, war is a risk that is very visible in its impact.  Investing is a step to financial freedom, so the risks cannot be seen with simple logic.  You must learn risk management to measure the risk of investing.  War and investment is not an apple to apple comparison.  Your logic is slightly wrong comparing the two.
Correct, also money is meant to make life easier so investing, trading, etc are all actions taken to make the life easier. Life cannot be ever compared with money, full stop. Spending money and life are two very different things.

Young people usually have a higher risk appetite because they have the energy, motivation and time to take the risk. A kid cannot invest because he doesn't earn and an adult cannot take risks because they don't have the same energy and motivation.

I recall a graph or image I saw somewhere and it fits well here.

Kids have the highest energy and time but least experience and knowledge.

Adults have high energy and time along with financial freedom with moderate knowledge and experience.

Old people have rich experience and knowledge but lack time and energy.

This is why young people would take the biggest risks in terms of investments.
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July 17, 2021, 06:43:40 PM
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If you compared between war and investing, they are totally different. It's not comparable, war is a risk that is very visible in its impact.  Investing is a step to financial freedom, so the risks cannot be seen with simple logic.  You must learn risk management to measure the risk of investing.  War and investment is not an apple to apple comparison.  Your logic is slightly wrong comparing the two.
I also wonder why the OP equates war and investment, war and investment are very different things and over time young people have their own ideas about how to invest. I think the OP was a little drunk while making this post Cheesy
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July 17, 2021, 06:49:53 PM
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Well if you look carefully you will see the old people usually don't risk and that's because of their age. time after time when you get older you will avoid taking risks. that's why you think many young people will take the risk of high return investments because they feel like they don't have the time/power to get up if they fall down. However, taking risks is good if you know exactly what you do, investing in stocks and bitcoin is good if you know what you are buying otherwise you are taking risks with a closed eye. Also, doesn't matter if you are old or young you should always remember to have your plan and stick to it if you have the enough knowledge about the market.

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July 17, 2021, 06:56:59 PM
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Chances are, that you won't be quite successful making money if you do not take risks, not just in crypto, but in every aspect of life. Bitcoin is also considered a high risk investment, which had extremely high returns the past few years. I've also came across this in DeFi projects. Higher risk ones had great rewards, while those who involve minimal risk, made me only a few bucks at most.

On top of that, I don't think it has much to do with age, rather than the personality and your character, some are risk takes, some others aren't.

 
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July 17, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
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Everything in this world that offers something will always have some form of risk involved, even those you call free oftentimes have something underlying that will of course include you staking something in return. If we would all base on your logic, then there wouldn't be a future for the cryptocurrency industry because everything here and virtually everything will involve you partaking in high-risk, high-return transactions.
Well if you look carefully you will see the old people usually don't risk and that's because of their age. time after time when you get older you will avoid taking risks. that's why you think many young people will take the risk of high return investments because they feel like they don't have the time/power to get up if they fall down. However, taking risks is good if you know exactly what you do, investing in stocks and bitcoin is good if you know what you are buying otherwise you are taking risks with a closed eye. Also, doesn't matter if you are old or young you should always remember to have your plan and stick to it if you have the enough knowledge about the market.
A majority of people who wouldn't invest in high-risk, high-reward scenarios are elderly people and that is because they pretty much have a broader experience when it comes to being cheated on by the game, so we can't really take it against them. However, we should focus on making sure that the next generation is armed with ample knowledge and information so at the very least, they can protect themselves from being fooled out of their money, and so they can impart these helpful knowledges to their children as well.

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July 17, 2021, 10:20:43 PM
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Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

In the world wars, young and naive people go to battle field and fight each other to death, they take risk to protect the war that they can never win, while they’re being manipulate by the other group of elite who do not like to take such risk. These elite tell the young people to take the risk despite they know it’s risky and they don’t want take the risk but want someone else to take such risk. Many people died and sacrificed in the war that can’t be won. The elite do not take the risk, not only they didn’t take risk they also profit a lot from the war, for the people who love to advocate high risk high return, NOPE you’re wrong, they take no risk while they can make the maximum profit that those of you who take risk can only dream of.

Since the war is over, it’s not profitable for the elite anymore. They know what is their next move after the war. Yup, money, they’re now looking at money, they know money has the same properties to a world war, they also know they do not like to take risk, so now they tell all you idiot to take risk that they don’t want to take and deceive you to believe high risk high return, you’re real idiot if you didn’t learn from the previous lesson, you’re idiot if you didn’t learn from the world wars, you’re idiot to take risk that they tell you to take while they making maximum profit taking no risk at all.
I don't think the young and naive ones are the only ones who believes in high risk high return. Also the wise and strategic ones. If you are too afraid of taking a risk, therefore you have no rights over something that could set off a huge reward. Always make sure that the risk you will take, no matter how big or how small it is, will be well analyzed and speculated so that the probability of winning will always be high. If you have no time speculating, you should not take huge risks then, those are only for people who knows how to prepare for a war.
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