Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

[SaiyanSS3]

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>Quite a bold claim, knowing that using the war analogy is actually nonsensical because you're pretty much risking not only money, but your life. You can re-earn money, but you can't re-buy your life.
Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States." Would you mind to explain the logic behind someone would goes extra miles just to stop you to get money (gold coin), would you care to explain?

>There's literally nothing wrong with having high risk high reward investments as long as you practice proper bank roll management(obviously going all-in is a bad idea), and that you actually know that the investment you're making is high risk high reward in the first place.
It is obviously very wrong no matter how you argue, go ahead and gambling on the Las Vegas with all your very best practice management.

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>Between why must the risk only related to war? What about investment risk and similar risk as well?
Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, if it’s not a war declaration then what is it?

>People took a high risk believing in btc and they were handsomely rewarded, I for once will not take any unnecessary risk except it has to do with earning something in return or a positive benefit, to me, not all type of risk that is worth taking, 
Is it not obvious enough nobody would want to take risk when they know very well?

>especially the type that has to do with war should be highly considered before doing anything that could lead to regrets. In any situation there are always certain people who will benefit from it reason why it is very important to think before acting.
Wars is a lot of risk taking too, do you blindly believe they don’t make risk management before going to a war?

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>Soldiers are trained before they are deployed to a battlefield. They are equipped - physically, mentally, and emotionally strong enough to do their tasks and duties for the country. In simpler terms, they are fit for their job because, in the first place, that kind of job position requires certain qualifications to be able to secure a spot.
this is just a risk assessment in my humble opinion, they are making sure they can successfully execute the war. If the wars failed they couldn’t make profit.

>But this is totally unrelated to cryptocurrency. World war doesn't equate to crypto. You are making the wrong analogy here.
Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States." Is it not slightly related?

>In cryptocurrency, you only risk what you can afford to lose. You should know that the moment you entered the crypto world.
what do you know? the coin?

>High risk, high return is applicable only if you know what you are doing and you analyzed and studied your move before doing so. Risking a high amount will be nonsense if you'll invest it in the wrong coins. Hence, you should do your own technical analysis first and make sure you'll regret nothing once things go wrong.
Do you know Las Vegas casino? High risk high return? You can beat them into net loss?

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If you compared between war and investing, they are totally different. It's not comparable, war is a risk that is very visible in its impact.  Investing is a step to financial freedom, so the risks cannot be seen with simple logic.  You must learn risk management to measure the risk of investing.  War and investment is not an apple to apple comparison.  Your logic is slightly wrong comparing the two.
explain this if you think the logic is wrong, why they goes extra miles just to stop gold? Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States."

[magneto]

Definitely has some truth to it.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of deals are only available to the elite to begin with. The private equity deals that are available to a dentist, for instance, will be worlds away from private equity deals afforded to investment bankers who has a high net worth.

High risk =\= high reward always. Whilst the correlation is true in certain asset classes, it definitely does not hold in fields where some have an artificial advantage over others to begin with.

[marine4u]

Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

In the world wars, young and naive people go to battle field and fight each other to death, they take risk to protect the war that they can never win, while they’re being manipulate by the other group of elite who do not like to take such risk. These elite tell the young people to take the risk despite they know it’s risky and they don’t want take the risk but want someone else to take such risk. Many people died and sacrificed in the war that can’t be won. The elite do not take the risk, not only they didn’t take risk they also profit a lot from the war, for the people who love to advocate high risk high return, NOPE you’re wrong, they take no risk while they can make the maximum profit that those of you who take risk can only dream of.

Since the war is over, it’s not profitable for the elite anymore. They know what is their next move after the war. Yup, money, they’re now looking at money, they know money has the same properties to a world war, they also know they do not like to take risk, so now they tell all you idiot to take risk that they don’t want to take and deceive you to believe high risk high return, you’re real idiot if you didn’t learn from the previous lesson, you’re idiot if you didn’t learn from the world wars, you’re idiot to take risk that they tell you to take while they making maximum profit taking no risk at all.

I don't understand what you mean by the problem? Are you in the military? In economics, high risk, high return, it accounts for the majority of the success they have. Compare that to the army that was sent into wars and received impermanent losses. I think it's contradictory.
The scope for economics is macro, I don't think your problem is and it has nothing to do with investment/profit

[tygeade]

I have to say there is a good reason why we are talking about people who end up with higher returns because they took bigger risks, and that is not because they just won a lot of money, that is because they found something that none of us would have the courage to invest so much (not even just in number, but % portion of portfolio) and that was a huge risk to take, I can't do that.

For example, my "small cap" coin that I like is Swipe, it was bought by binance, doesn't mean that binance will be using it like crazy but they did, and what happened? Did that turn out to be a a big investment that turned into profit a lot? It didn't, and that is why I do not feel happy about investing into it.

However if I took a big shot at it, I would have lost a lot of money with it, I see this and I think there is no need to invest into smaller caps like that, it just solidifies my belief. On the other side there are people who goes out there and puts 50% of their whole money into some small cap and make a great return, it is really brave.

[Ausgewielt]

I am not a genius, I am only a normal guy. I don't stuck at high risk high return pattern in investment. For example if I invest in my friend's new project while he don't have any skill and experience then I take a big risk but there is no opportunity to get high return. In investing I looking for the lowest  risk and higher return that I can get. In my point of view Bitcoin provide small risk and higher return rather than bank deposit and etc. The price is volatile but since I know it then I only need to know when to buy and when to sell. If there is a new altcoin project which has great people behind it I will still invest in it although the risk is higher than bitcoin but it has very good potential to give me higher return. Now I invest in TRX because I think it has good potential to get big market share of gamers community.

[Porfirii]

High risk takers end up being either big winners or big losers.

If you have nothing and you want to succeed fast, the only way to do it is taking high risks. If you win it could be big, if you lose it wouldn't matter much as you started with nothing.

But, for the average Joe, who has a job, a mortgage, a family... this high risk = high return fallacy is way too risky. The only argument that is true is that high risk = high risk.

I agree that it has a lot to do with personality. Risk takers won't hesitate, and we all know case studies about them, successful entrepreneurs who made a fortune thanks to their bravery, but those who are more cold and logical will learn the rules of the game in such a way that they will know how to win without the necessity of risking anything. For example, when we talk about venture capital, the ones who are risking a lot are the entrepreneurs there, not the fund itself: in this relationship we can see both personality types clearly defined.

In crypto we can see it clearly too: there are the ones who invest the money they can't afford to lose, and others that will win (more or less) no matter the odds, just like the typical brokers of wall street who earned money whether their clients won in their trades or not.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

High Risk High Return are basic fundamentals on investment. and that must be accompanied by knowledge, experience, the concept is old and can still be applicable with any investment choices, knowledge is also needed in all kinds of investments, if carelessly and just because people brave to accept risk without having knowledge first and without experienced there will be problems later. either about how to manage it or something else.

[imstillthebest]

not young guys but what can i see is more older age groups are being scammed because they have the money to invest but they can have a less knowledge on what they are going thru but younger groups today are more inteligent because they are exposed all the time in thier smartphones and pc's. 
they will know if what is hot and what is not,  they will research if that is trusted or scam.

[ziennakarishma21]

you are talking about the shallow thinking of young people, but in my opinion not really because the high risk of losing everything is very high, the profit is nowhere to be seen, only to lose everything. only their property. Like you say people join soldiers and they think that risk will win, not necessarily right but not necessarily wrong depending on the situation.

[Yatsan]

It is because sometimes high risks makes good returns in favor of the one's who have the courage to take the risk of getting into something that he believes could possibly grow into something that is interesting. Most of the people are getting afraid of the consequences of the high risks actions being done by young minds because of no assurance that it would success and progress for the long run. But come to think of it, you will never know once you have already tried it right? Risks always comes before discoveries which makes young people that many says to be naive a successful one because he have the guts to take the risks and those who criticized him will soon to follow. But that will not always apply in all situation. You still must assess before doing engagement specially if you know you will be taking a high risk action.

[Hamphser]

It is because sometimes high risks makes good returns in favor of the one's who have the courage to take the risk of getting into something that he believes could possibly grow into something that is interesting. Most of the people are getting afraid of the consequences of the high risks actions being done by young minds because of no assurance that it would success and progress for the long run. But come to think of it, you will never know once you have already tried it right? Risks always comes before discoveries which makes young people that many says to be naive a successful one because he have the guts to take the risks and those who criticized him will soon to follow. But that will not always apply in all situation. You still must assess before doing engagement specially if you know you will be taking a high risk action.

Young or old it doesnt really matter because there are really people who do really love to look upon big returns which they do only differ on how a certain person do realize on how big the risk involved with that.

For newbies or noobs out there then its a common act that they'll dive in without hesitance or minding off about the chance of losing and just directly make out actions without minding nor expecting to lose
but once they do have the experience and still able to take the risk same on the time when they had just started then there are really people who do really have this kind of fixed mindset.

Doesnt need neither you are old or young because risk takers would really be aiming for high return.

[Clavulanic]

High Risk High Return are basic fundamentals on investment. and that must be accompanied by knowledge, experience, the concept is old and can still be applicable with any investment choices, knowledge is also needed in all kinds of investments, if carelessly and just because people brave to accept risk without having knowledge first and without experienced there will be problems later. either about how to manage it or something else.

Too much confidence is not good, you're only thinking and considering yourselves to be brave but actually the knowledge is lacking. That's really a wrong mindset because there's no easy task in return of your efforts to earn an easiest profit. We need patience, instead of risking your money on unknown investments, and one example I wanted to share here was ponzi scheme and several projects that has unknown platforms.

[Kasabus]

There are many new projects that say that 80% of the high-risk and high-returns are deceptive. Generally, the project party will say that the profit is very large, or that it can get investors through speculation coins. Generally, don’t invest in this kind of project. If you If you really want to take a risk, you can look at value coins or mainstream coins. Don't look at some new projects, keep a clear head, and don't be fooled by the project team.

New projects hold no guarantees these days that they will be more profitable from those old coins. Scammers are rampant and so we have to be more careful when it comes to choosing for coins to invest. I still have high beliefs for old and trusted coins because of their good potentials to grow their value in the days to come rather than entrusting my money into such new projects which would mean very risky to invest.

[add1ct3dd]

There is a bit of a miscommunication in the world right now. What we should be focusing on here is the fact that we are talking about a high risk is something you can take when you are younger and have less responsibility, if you are a 16 year old who has to work to help his family is a very different situation then a 40 year old who has a "rich daddy", so it is not really the same thing.

The point here is not really about young or old, it is more about having the chance to risk something or not risk something, if you have a lot of money and no responsibilities then you can risk some money, if you have no money and have a lot of responsibilities then you can't take a risk. In general young people have less responsibility then older people, that is why this was about age but that is just the average, there are exceptions of course to this situation.

[RealMalatesta]

In investing I looking for the lowest  risk and higher return that I can get. In my point of view Bitcoin provide small risk and higher return rather than bank deposit and etc. The price is volatile but since I know it then I only need to know when to buy and when to sell. If there is a new altcoin project which has great people behind it I will still invest in it although the risk is higher than bitcoin but it has very good potential to give me higher return. Now I invest in TRX because I think it has good potential to get big market share of gamers community.

That is the chart you have to look at when you are investing. If something is low risk and high return then its worthy, but if something is very high risk but even greater HUGE reward then it worths it as well. Like for example if there is a chance of me making 50% profit with 2% chance of losing it all, I will take it, but if I take a 90% chance of losing my money with 50x profit chance then I will end up taking that too. It is not about the risk that we take its more about the risk/reward ratio and if you can hit it then it is going to be fine.

The reality is that as long as the reward potential is good enough then the risk is fine, the riskier it gets the higher reward potential it should be. I invest according to that, for example low risk stuff like bitcoin and ethereum I put a lot of money into them (for me) and in smaller cap under 100 million cap things I put 50 bucks to 100 bucks in them. That is another way to saving your portfolio from having high risk as well.

[SaiyanSS3]

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Time = Money
>The world of finance follows the same rule! So whoever has longer time in hand, is more willing or capable to take risk. Because that person knows that if anything goes wrong, he/she has time to recover.
for peasant like you all, you’re just a live stock to bank and government, they would never stop taking money off you even in extreme difficulty moment, pandemic is no exception, anything with loan with the bank and government would never stop rolling in debt.

>On the other hand, an old person doesn't have a lot of time in hand. So they are not much willing to take risk. It's as simple!
bullshit, everybody once have their youth too, they didn’t just magically doesn’t have a lot of time.

>However, millionaires are less prone to all this because they make their own rules! Let's not complicate this!
to make it simple, government and bank are pushing you all to make a living by gambling on high risk high return, even a toddler can get this point easily.

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I don't understand the comparison of war and investments but I agree to some point about high risk and high return logic.
you don’t need to understand anything. It’s too easy nobody should have confused to such idea.

>And for those elite, yeah, they won't be the ones that will be on the floor battling their enemies and have their lives at risk but instead they hire someone to fight for them
government officials is the most typical elite in this space, why would the government need to take risk? They never need to take risk, they could get their hand on bitcoin by just confiscating from all you plebs, you all can take risk with your money for all they care since you would take loan from the government that come with interest too, government love all of you taking loan to gambling on high risk high reward venture. They would have more than happy if you all take all the money and invested into bitcoin!

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>What I believe your post is trying to talk about is some countries who make weapon of war always like to instigate wars so that they can sell their machine and war materials
Generally every nation share some common belief. This being their bank would operate in the same manner, the government intercept into every bank operation, eventually driving inflation higher, it’s very clear inflation is man made and clearly it’s the bank and government interaction that’s the main culprit.

because for them it is business and making money and whether young people die or not isn't their business. They make agreement with some government to trade in troublesome environment so that issues of conflict will keep arising
whether you want to gambling into making high reward from high risk, bank and government would hardly care. But bitcoin and crypto has raised the eyebrow of the banker and government, they are panic to see the price keep soaring and it’s intriguing because bank and government rarely give a damn to you peasant who take risk to gamble, it’s unprecedented they’re threatened by the gamblers who are in the crypto. Is the high risk high return work just as usual to a point the bank and government decide to clamp down on bitcoin?

[Kimonoe]

There are many new projects that say that 80% of the high-risk and high-returns are deceptive. Generally, the project party will say that the profit is very large, or that it can get investors through speculation coins. Generally, don’t invest in this kind of project. If you If you really want to take a risk, you can look at value coins or mainstream coins. Don't look at some new projects, keep a clear head, and don't be fooled by the project team.

New projects hold no guarantees these days that they will be more profitable from those old coins. Scammers are rampant and so we have to be more careful when it comes to choosing for coins to invest. I still have high beliefs for old and trusted coins because of their good potentials to grow their value in the days to come rather than entrusting my money into such new projects which would mean very risky to invest.

Entrusting funds to a new project is indeed risky, unless we can analyze a project properly, otherwise our risk will be much greater. when the price drops like this I think investing in old projects is safer, although there is no guarantee either, but at least the project already has a large capitalization

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

Well, if being naive is taking high risk then call me as one because the moment that I have invested in bitcoin I was ready for all the risk that there is for me to see. Also, isn't life all about taking risks and taking the win? If you don't take risk OP then you are probably a coward.

[SaiyanSS3]

The bourse/houses always win.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350717.0

[JillianTaft]

OP means that high-risk and high-reward should not be believed? As a crypto investor, isn't it a high-risk place in the crypto market? Without risk, there is no proportional return, and only if you have the ability to take risks can you be eligible for profit.