[Poll] At what point will you stop complying with Covid restrictions?

[PrimeNumber7]

American pediatric association now recommends children, toddlers, above the age of 2 to begin masking up in school. There are something like 300 known cases in the entire US of those under 18 catching Covid and dying from it....there are 74 million minors in the US, so about 0.0004054054 percent of children have died from Covid. Child has a better chance of dying from literally anything else and yet they are masking up toddlers? Purely political, as with most things.

It is more likely that a child will commit suicide while complying with covid restrictions (due to the covid restrictions) than for a child to die from covid.

So how to best ensure that everyone with symptoms wears a mask?

A) Make everyone wear masks. Simple. And despite the vociferous objections from certain quarters, there is almost zero inconvenience. It's the obvious answer.

Should people who don't get periods still wear tampons? Should I wear a band-aid if I am not bleeding? Should I wear a seatbelt in my car if I am talking on the phone while parked in a parking lot?

That is why all measures need to be taken by everyone. 

It is not necessary to have 100% compliance for preventative measures to be effective. IMO, attempts to get 100% compliance with things such as mask-wearing likely actually reduced compliance as some people likely did not wear a mask as a principal of not allowing unelected bureaucrats to tell them what to do. 

You are only vaccinated against some variants.  We don't know what variants are out there.

The vaccines have shown to be effective in preventing hospitalizations and death against the delta variant. Those who are vaccinated tend to have a case that is similar to a mild flu case. I don't think it is reasonable to take serious preventative measures to stop cases of a mild flu.

Yeah imagine if someone would be capable of changing their opinion based on new factspolitical pressure, such as a new strain of a virusleft wing politicians not wanting to give up power.

FIFY

Since when is lying a good public health strategy? Be clear, be honest.

Unfortunately public health officials have lost nearly all credibility. When you admit to lying to the public about recommendations and thresholds, and when you shout down anyone who dissents or even questions your opinions, people are not going to trust you. Public health officials have repeatedly refused to explain the rationale behind their opinions, and uses the claim that they are "experts" to demand people listen to them.

This is the Trump effect in action, where politicians will do a complete 180 given his position

Unfortunately, the left was willing to reduce confidence in the vaccine in order to harm Trump politically, and Biden is unwilling to put Trump in a position to be able to influence people into getting the vaccine, which would help Trump politically. Instead, Biden chooses to insult all the mothers (and everyone else) who have not gotten the vaccine yet. Those on the left were practically cheering when studies came out showing that hydroxy was not effective in treating covid.

[fastlight]

I am at my breaking point. They won't fucking put a thing in my nose, they won't fucking make me have their fucking Certificated of Vaccination ID (covidpass)... and if they think they will touch me with their mrna experimental injections... I am at the point of prefering to die fighting them and I mean the real power behind this, than surrendering or crawling in the wildnerness...

[easy peasy]

We should just follow scientific advices and especially help less developed countries to fight covid by improving medical supply.

Meanwhile, distributing more money to everyone who is affected by covid should be standard procedure. Badly, Republicans are blocking it.

People not willing to be vaccinated should not receive any government money anymore.

[Natsuu]

I am at my breaking point. They won't fucking put a thing in my nose, they won't fucking make me have their fucking Certificated of Vaccination ID (covidpass)... and if they think they will touch me with their mrna experimental injections... I am at the point of prefering to die fighting them and I mean the real power behind this, than surrendering or crawling in the wildnerness...

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

[Tash]

We should just follow scientific
...

Well yeh that would mean isolating the virus to proof it exist from scientic standpoint. As this has not happend it exist only on lying news.

[OgNasty]

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

[tvbcof]

I am at my breaking point. They won't fucking put a thing in my nose, they won't fucking make me have their fucking Certificated of Vaccination ID (covidpass)... and if they think they will touch me with their mrna experimental injections... I am at the point of prefering to die fighting them and I mean the real power behind this, than surrendering or crawling in the wildnerness...

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

You probably should specify whether the so-called 'vaccine' you talk about is one of the mRNA varieties (Pfizer, Moderna), DNA (Astra, J&J, etc) or old school direct antigen (Sino-vac/pharm).

Also you should probably specify both the time and the region.  It's getting more clear that, generally, the 6-million-ish (!) fully vaccinated in Israel via a single-source  high-unit-cost production run through Pfizer isn't having very many adverse reactions compared to what is happening to other populations.  Specifically they didn't notice the heart inflammation issues to the degree that others have.  Then it also seems to be having zero effect on SARS-cov-2 virus infection rates either.  The hypothesis suggested is that it's a different substance being injected in Israel than what is given to the average person in many of 'the nations'.  This is simply a (possible) illustration of different regions getting different injections.  AstraZeneca destined for injection into Indian people's arms is labeled as not for injection in Europe so I've heard people say.

As for time, it seems that observations of adverse reactions to the jab have subtly shifted with time.  It looks a lot to me as though there is a feedback loop between observed effects and composition of the jab.  Nobody ever said that this was not happening.  There remains no independent and transparent analysis of the production runs, and they continue to be shipped with blank inserts where ingredients and other information about an approved injection are to be found.

[KingScorpio]

People seemed all too willing in my opinion to give up their freedoms based on their government's wishes surrounding this Covid flu.  At what point would you as a citizen decide enough is enough and you are not willing to comply with their guidance any longer?  Maybe you were ok with masks, willing to get a shot, think others should before going outside, don't mind a 'jab' every 6 months, but don't think people should be jailed for not doing so...  I'd like to see the results of where you as a citizen would draw the line, and feel free to post comments about what you would do once that line is crossed by your government.

all Covid measures are useless and pointless and a waste of ressources and Money.

[Cnut237]

People seemed all too willing in my opinion to give up their freedoms based on their government's wishes surrounding this Covid flu.

It's not as simple as people who do anything the government wants, and people who don't.
Obviously this varies from country to country... but I don't trust my government at all, I think they are incompetent and entirely self-serving, with zero concern for the welfare of the population... they are interested solely in enriching themselves and their friends, and couldn't care less what happens to ordinary people.
But I've been vaccinated, and I still wear a mask in public, even though the government has said that we don't need to wear them.

I don't follow the government, and I don't believe they have my best interests at heart. But I have a scientific background, and I follow the data. I started taking precautions and switched to working from home as soon as I saw that this thing would start to roll in from Italy and Spain. And I'll continue making decisions based on the facts, rather than any government propaganda. Those grasping fools don't understand how exponential progression works, and they wouldn't care even if they did... they're happy to let people die so long as their own economic interests don't take too much of a hit.

[arielbit]

People seemed all too willing in my opinion to give up their freedoms based on their government's wishes surrounding this Covid flu.

It's not as simple as people who do anything the government wants, and people who don't.
Obviously this varies from country to country... but I don't trust my government at all, I think they are incompetent and entirely self-serving, with zero concern for the welfare of the population... they are interested solely in enriching themselves and their friends, and couldn't care less what happens to ordinary people.
But I've been vaccinated, and I still wear a mask in public, even though the government has said that we don't need to wear them.

I don't follow the government, and I don't believe they have my best interests at heart. But I have a scientific background, and I follow the data. I started taking precautions and switched to working from home as soon as I saw that this thing would start to roll in from Italy and Spain. And I'll continue making decisions based on the facts, rather than any government propaganda. Those grasping fools don't understand how exponential progression works, and they wouldn't care even if they did... they're happy to let people die so long as their own economic interests don't take too much of a hit.

there is still hope for you then 

just let me keep on stimulating your brains(pro vaxx)..something got fucked up in there after getting vaxxed (the thinking part, turned the pro vaxx into morons), sooner or later my therapy will work on you    ..you are doing great.. 

[Jet Cash]

The point is that we don't know what the long term effects of vaccination are. It will take a ferw years to discover if the escaped spike proteins from the vaccines that attack to various organs will affect their function. Their is concern about their permanent presence in women's ovaries for example. It is also clear that vaccination doesn't provide full protection, and that it impairs the operation of the adaptive immune system. On balance, I still believe that a normal healthy person will get better protection, and have fewer side effects by relying on the system created by mother nature. It has helped us survive for thousands of years.

The panic of the governments to get everybody vaccinated is also making me believe that there is an underlying political issue that is not related to health. Vaccines are designed to prevent disese, and not to cure it. Giving a vaccine to an infected person just creates variants, and escalates our war with pathogens. Just look at what is happening through the misuse of antibiotics.

Also. I wonder what was discovered during the decades of testing mRNA vaccines, and why they are suddenly being deployed without any successful long term test results.

[Natsuu]

We should just follow scientific
...

Well yeh that would mean isolating the virus to proof it exist from scientic standpoint. As this has not happend it exist only on lying news.

Another one, disregarding all the links given just to say that the isolation doesn't exist.

And add the, all of those are just lies.

[arielbit]

.. I still believe that a normal healthy person will get better protection, and have fewer side effects by relying on the system created by mother nature. It has helped us survive for thousands of years...

for thousands of years people have handed down knowledge about herbs and food/diet as medicine for colds/flu..this existing knowledge proves that we have been dealing with corona viruses for a looooooooooooong time.

agriculture started when? some literature says 4000 years ago, some says a lot longer..farming animals can produce corona viruses that can harm us. aside from farming bat caves existed a lot longer than agricultural farming, that is why around the world, different cultures have their own passed down knowledge for colds/flu remedy.

for thousands of years these viruses have mutations, strains and variants. we are built for this shit.

[PrimeNumber7]

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

[OgNasty]

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

The way the media is inciting fear I think it is somewhat reasonable to expect a lot of people to want to protect themselves and their families by just going along with the norm. Now that a lot of jobs are requiring it, many people don’t even have a choice. I think it’s somewhat important for those of us with a choice to exercise that choice so that society doesn’t get too comfortable with mandates.

[suchmoon]

How nice all the vaccine haters could pose together for a group photo.

Well, if they're just little babies afraid of needles then maybe we shouldn't make fun of them.

[PrimeNumber7]

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

The way the media is inciting fear I think it is somewhat reasonable to expect a lot of people to want to protect themselves and their families by just going along with the norm. Now that a lot of jobs are requiring it, many people don’t even have a choice. I think it’s somewhat important for those of us with a choice to exercise that choice so that society doesn’t get too comfortable with mandates.

There is a labor shortage right now, so I have my doubts that many companies are going to follow through with firing people for not getting vaccinated. It is more likely that companies will delay allowing the unvaccinated back into the office, but will allow them to continue to WFH.

The trust in public health officials is quickly declining, as is the case with the media.

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

[Gyfts]

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

It's much simpler, they're terrified of getting infected even after the jab for god knows what reason.

[tvbcof]

How nice all the vaccine haters could pose together for a group photo.

Well, if they're just little babies afraid of needles then maybe we shouldn't make fun of them.

Oh Nose!  Lambs on their way to the slaughter are trying to make fun of me.  What ever am I going to do?

[PrimeNumber7]

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

It's much simpler, they're terrified of getting infected even after the jab for god knows what reason.

I am referring to politicians. The covid restrictions in 2020 were an excuse for the modified voting rules not authorized by state legislature, as required by the constitution, and these modified voting rules resulted in Biden getting elected, and Democrats keeping the house.

I think left politicians are trying to institute covid restrictions incrementally, to prevent a revolt that would be likely if something like new lockdowns were reinstituted.