[Bill Gates] Will Covid vaccinations start the demise of vaccinations?

[Jet Cash]

Pharma figures show that vaccinates are less effective than natural immunity, and they rely on the immune system to create their antibodies. They advise that unhealthy people should not be vaccinated, and it is easy to see why. Natural immunity gives 100% protection in a healthy person, but this is reduced by vaccination. This is why people are not tested for natural immunity, and not comparisons are made against unvaccinated peer groups. Vaccinations are intended to be a preventative measure, and should not be given to infected patients. Increasing the viral load in an infected patient is akin to the old concept of bleeding.

Bill Gates has been an advocate of vaccination as an aid for population control for many years, but recently he has been moving away from this concept. He is now suggesting that the future lies with phages. Here is one of his promo videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3tsmFsrOg

You can stop the destruction of human health, just by refusing the vaccines, and by adopting a healthy lifestyle. You owe it to your children, and society. We don't want to have to support nations of cripples..

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[Oshosondy]

It is normal for evolution to occur, this will even over a long time makes the scientists to link genetically modified human generations to evolution, it will not be a surprise that the scientists that make the world beautiful will later lead to the world destruction. The time of humans not 100% natural again could be coming. From herbs to drug, from drug to vaccine when virus was detected. Now it is from the formal type of vaccine to mRNA viccine.

Prevention has been better than cure, instead of the scientists to look for ways to effectively prevent the disease, they are only spending money on how to cure it because they will have millions of dollars of what they spend as return. I am not taking the vaccine. Recently I am in a town where no single covid 19 patient is, but our government is still telling everybody to get vaccinated. I will not risk that at all because I am also healthy.

[Cnut237]

Pharma figures show that vaccinates are less effective than natural immunity

The problem with natural immunity is that you get it by contracting the disease. The Covid-19 vaccine has saved countless lives, as the data indicate quite clearly (as I've presented many times).
And I don't think any anti-vaxxer has yet explained why the Smallpox vaccine, as one example, was a bad idea.

Bill Gates has been an advocate of vaccination as an aid for population control

Population growth - and decline - follows the five stage demographic model, again, quite clearly. An increasing population is a temporary phenomenon that disappears once a country reaches a sufficient level of development.
There is no need to artificially reduce population, when it happens by itself. Consider Japan as an example. Look at the data.

You can stop the destruction of human health, just by refusing the vaccines

You can stop the destruction of humans by accepting the vaccine.

[Natsuu]

The thing is, VACCINES are made to remove or reduce the chance of you getting the specific disease/virus that is viral and can't be treated by the "NATURAL IMMUNITY" you mentioned.

You can stop the destruction of human health, just by refusing the vaccines, and by adopting a healthy lifestyle. You owe it to your children, and society. We don't want to have to support nations of cripples..

You can stop the destruction of human health, just by getting vaccinated while adopting a healthy lifestyle 

[Jet Cash]

What an extraordinary post, Natsuu.

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s, and we have coped with them with very little social disruption. Covid is a man made variant that was designed to be more transmissible, but less virulent. This means that it can spread very quickly, and only affects those with compromised immune systems. It was obviously designed to promote vaccination, ad facilitate an economic reset. The mrna vaccine has been under development for decades, and has only recently managed to gain some semblance of  viability - how convenient. Now lets look at the mrna vaccine. The big difference is that it sends a message to the immune system to build antigens to mimic covid. It is claimed that this is more  natural and reliable that the use of synthetic creations from things like moth larvae. Can you spot the trend? the next stage is to inject small quantities of the real virus, and after that go back to the system used in my childhood, just expose kids to viruses to let them build healthy immune systems.

Everything that governments are insisting that people do is designed to increase the spread of the infection, and to make it harder to recover when infected. Statistics are exaggerated grossly to increase the fear in the population. You should ask yourself why this is being done. The answer is obvious - we are entering a period of massive transfer of wealth, and it isn't being transferred to us.

[Cnut237]

What an extraordinary post, Natsuu.

If there's one extraordinary post in this thread, it's not Natsuu's, it's the one at the top of the page.

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s, and we have coped with them with very little social disruption.

That's disingenuous at best. SARS and MERS are coronaviruses. They were kind of a big deal, a few years ago. 'Coronaviruses have been around since year x' means nothing - did you see my 'humans aren't gorillas' post?

Also, do you have an opinion on the smallpox vaccine? Was that a good idea? The polio vaccine?
Obviously early days for the Covid vaccines, but a pattern is emerging in highly vaccinated nations such as the UK and Israel. And I would go as far as to say it's an entirely predictable pattern. Vaccination works.
You're in the UK, like me, aren't you? Massive spike in cases from the delta variant... and yet so few deaths now that most of us are vaccinated.


https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox


https://ourworldindata.org/polio


https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

[franky1]

What an extraordinary post, Natsuu.

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s, and we have coped with them with very little social disruption.

very little disruption?

ha.. sorry mr NeverLeftEngland
but corona viruses played very bad roles in asia. the only reason england didnt experience them is because commercial travel was not a thing in the 1930's

since then people have learned how to be hygeinic. and to cough into their arm. avoid being around sick people.
every 20 years there is a strain thats moderately harmfull. every 100 years there is a strain that is severely harmful

we were long over due.. and then.. it came

betwen 1930-2010 asia was very careful. and when the era of commercial flight became a thing(1960's) they were very careful at border control.. stopping flights when there was a local epidemic
but in the 1980's it become an international concern

but in 2020 silly old western countries worked around asias border flights. and still flew in planes to pick up westerners in asia and bring them to the west.. (repatriation flights)

so if you want to know how it escaped asia and got to england.. the answer.. repatriation flights ordered by boris

and thats pretty much a fact detail that you can use as a anti-gov rhetoric which people will actually get behind

if would governments didnt do repatriation flights. the world would have avoided covid by may 2020

[arielbit]

the immune system is being scammed with vaccines.

just like carbon tax scams nature...nature that naturally emits carbon beyond your wildest dreams.

just like big pharma scams nature with synthetic medicine that is derived/copied from nature.


create a problem and...BAM! offer the solution...the solution concentrates power and money to the beneficiaries 

[Poker Player]

Yes, of course. Does the OP believe that when there were no pharmaceutical drugs people just died of old age.

A few hundred years ago people died easily from a simple infection or cold. And when I say cold I mean cold, flu or any variant.

The immune system is not everything, let's see if you can get that into your heads.

Natural immunity gives 100% protection in a healthy person, but this is reduced by vaccination.

Do you have any sources that can back that up, other than that it's what you think?

I remember many months ago you already said that there were a lot of people dying from the vaccine. Never let reality spoil what you previously thought.

[arielbit]

The thing is, VACCINES are made to remove or reduce the chance of you getting the specific disease/virus that is viral and can't be treated by the "NATURAL IMMUNITY" you mentioned.

You can stop the destruction of human health, just by refusing the vaccines, and by adopting a healthy lifestyle. You owe it to your children, and society. We don't want to have to support nations of cripples..

You can stop the destruction of human health, just by getting vaccinated while adopting a healthy lifestyle 

Yes, of course. Does the OP believe that when there were no pharmaceutical drugs people just died of old age.

A few hundred years ago people died easily from a simple infection or cold. And when I say cold I mean cold, flu or any variant.

The immune system is not everything, let's see if you can get that into your heads.

Natural immunity gives 100% protection in a healthy person, but this is reduced by vaccination.

Do you have any sources that can back that up, other than that it's what you think?

I remember many months ago you already said that there were a lot of people dying from the vaccine. Never let reality spoil what you previously thought.

here is the thing, not everybody is healthy even if they think they are.

big pharma can capitalize on the fact that there are weak immune systems roaming around and spread fear and false/twisted info for their agenda.

so...me being not "all knowing" will give you the freedom to choose vaccines if you think it will protect you...well i hope it does.

there are also chickens(full of fear) out there who always do what they are told and

there are also chicken shit out there who are fearful but spread crap to other people..hence chicken shit..

natsuu and Poker Player are both chicken shit just like franky1

[Poker Player]

here is the thing, not everybody is healthy even if they think they are.

So, what? The one who is talking about the immune system as if it is something invincible is the OP.

there are also chickens(full of fear) out there who always do what they are told and

there are also chicken shit out there who are fearful but spread crap to other people..hence chicken shit..

natsuu and Poker Player are both chicken shit just like franky1

Insulting doesn't make your argument stronger, quite the opposite.

COVID does not scare me at all.

Because I have no medical risk factors, because of my age and because I have optimal vitamin D levels, apart from following a healthy lifestyle, the probability that I will develop a serious clinical picture and die of COVID is practically 0. If I have been vaccinated, it has been more as a matter of solidarity.

[arielbit]

here is the thing, not everybody is healthy even if they think they are.

So, what? The one who is talking about the immune system as if it is something invincible is the OP.

there are also chickens(full of fear) out there who always do what they are told and

there are also chicken shit out there who are fearful but spread crap to other people..hence chicken shit..

natsuu and Poker Player are both chicken shit just like franky1

Insulting doesn't make your argument stronger, quite the opposite.

COVID does not scare me at all.

Because I have no medical risk factors, because of my age and because I have optimal vitamin D levels, apart from following a healthy lifestyle, the probability that I will develop a serious clinical picture and die of COVID is practically 0. If I have been vaccinated, it has been more as a matter of solidarity.

Yes, of course. Does the OP believe that when there were no pharmaceutical drugs people just died of old age.

getting old is getting weak, something will finish you off be it diarrhea, cold, flu, hip operation, or a bad dream.

solidarity??...more like if there are enough chickens then i'll be a chicken too LOL

i'm not insulting..i'm painting the whole picture of what kind of people are participating in talks about covid  , it is important to know the chickens from chicken shits 

[Poker Player]

i'm not insulting..i'm painting the whole picture of what kind of people are participating in talks about covid  , it is important to know the chickens from chicken shits 

Yes, of course, and we must distinguish those who believe in science from the fools like you who believe in nonsense.

[arielbit]

i'm not insulting..i'm painting the whole picture of what kind of people are participating in talks about covid  , it is important to know the chickens from chicken shits 

Yes, of course, and we must distinguish those who believe in science from the fools like you who believe in nonsense.

Science?? You should be aware that "science" word was/will be/is being used loosely..just like "healthy" and " freedom".

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

I'm observing the vaccinated and watching the experiment unfold 

[Poker Player]

Science?? You should be aware that "science" word was/will be/is being used loosely..just like "healthy" and " freedom".

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

I'm observing the vaccinated and watching the experiment unfold 

What? LOL. Keep making a fool of yourself, keep going. The most pathetic thing is that on top of that you rejoice.

[arielbit]

Science?? You should be aware that "science" word was/will be/is being used loosely..just like "healthy" and " freedom".

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

I'm observing the vaccinated and watching the experiment unfold 

What? LOL. Keep making a fool of yourself, keep going. The most pathetic thing is that on top of that you rejoice.

You didn't get it...LOL

It simply means i am more scientific than you, while you regurgitates the "science" word from your mouth, lab rat.

[suchmoon]

It simply means i am more scientific than you

Make sure to post your peer-reviewed studies of how your trolling did science on Bitcointalk.

[arielbit]

It simply means i am more scientific than you

Make sure to post your peer-reviewed studies of how your trolling did science on Bitcointalk.

dude, i just "quoted" the definition of "science".

[suchmoon]

It simply means i am more scientific than you

Make sure to post your peer-reviewed studies of how your trolling did science on Bitcointalk.

dude, i just "quoted" the definition of "science".

Does that make you a scientist? Wonderful. Can you please quote the definition of "lunacy". Thanks.

[arielbit]

It simply means i am more scientific than you

Make sure to post your peer-reviewed studies of how your trolling did science on Bitcointalk.

dude, i just "quoted" the definition of "science".

Does that make you a scientist? Wonderful. Can you please quote the definition of "lunacy". Thanks.

Does not need to be a scientist to believe in science..and the topic was " believing in science".

[Slow death]

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s

man this section is turning into a pretty scary place, here are the most diabolical brains i've ever seen, how can they have so much denial about covid and vaccines? The amount of anti-vaccination threads is sureal, and denial about covid... worse is that covid is killing many people and even so there are people who are working to destroy every effort that is being made to contain this disease.

[tvbcof]

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s

man this section is turning into a pretty scary place, here are the most diabolical brains i've ever seen, how can they have so much denial about covid and vaccines? The amount of anti-vaccination threads is sureal, and denial about covid... worse is that covid is killing many people and even so there are people who are working to destroy every effort that is being made to contain this disease.

You scare easily.  The plandemic psychological operation has make you scared of your own shadow so it seems.  Relax.  Take it easy.  Coronavirus is just the common cold.

That said, it's now pretty much a sealed deal that SAR-cov-2 is a genetically engineered bioweapon, and has been deployed.  Thankfully it in and of itself doesn't seem to do much as best we can tell, and it makes some sense because indiscriminately killing people...including your friends and their kids...would not be the best way to utilize such a weapon.  The gravity of the situation IS actually more than a little bit bothersome, but panicking and running to the very people who created and deployed it for your life-saving injection is probably not the right move.  As a matter of fact, it seems to be exactly what the strategists have planned.

[Natsuu]

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s

man this section is turning into a pretty scary place, here are the most diabolical brains i've ever seen, how can they have so much denial about covid and vaccines? The amount of anti-vaccination threads is sureal, and denial about covid... worse is that covid is killing many people and even so there are people who are working to destroy every effort that is being made to contain this disease.

You haven't seen the full potential of the anti-dat....vaxxers in this forum. If this scares you already, then you will be terified if you look at other threads under the pol soc thread.

[sirazimuth]

.....

.... Can you please quote the definition of "lunacy". Thanks.

Most of what I bother to read here on the P+S boards....

(except of course my buddy BADecker and his plethora of mind numbing threads. That dude is a genius with a capital "G"
.....speaking of which, he hasn't shown up in this thread yet...that's mind numbing too....)

[Jet Cash]

Rather than just spoting opinions based on Government and big pharma propaganda, I would suggest people do their own research, and think about some of the facts.

Corona virus aerosols are smaller than the mesh size of masks being worn, so how can they proect people?
Virologists ste that vaccines should be used to protect people, and should not be given to infected people. Why are people not being tested for infection before thet are vaccinated?
Vitamin "D" id possibly the most important factor for the functioning of a healthy immune syste, Why are people being told to sayt out of the sun, and thus weaken their immune systems.
Insuylin resistance is one of the major factors inb turning a mild Covid contact into a life threatening health iussue. Why isn't thius being publicised?
Vaccines create variants, and thus do nbot protrect peoe from them. Why is this not being publicised, and the solution of more vaccines being promolgated?

There are lots nore questions like this, and the answers are obvious to anyone who reflects on modern piolitics.

[mindrust]

Corona Viruses have been around since the 1930s

man this section is turning into a pretty scary place, here are the most diabolical brains i've ever seen, how can they have so much denial about covid and vaccines? The amount of anti-vaccination threads is sureal, and denial about covid... worse is that covid is killing many people and even so there are people who are working to destroy every effort that is being made to contain this disease.

Nobody is denying covid19. (maybe a few guys only) There is a pandemic apparently and the disease is real but the vaccines are a whole different story. There isn't enough data to determine that the vaccines are as safe or as effective as they are advertised.

It also matters a lot to know if the virus occurred naturally or was engineered in a lab. That information is a game changer.

[Jet Cash]

There is enough information, but it is difficult to find and evaluate as it is being suppressed