[Boxing]: Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 10th

[Jawhead999]

Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.

Well even it's not a performance drug, why he need to use it? It's a big question for sure. I think what you refer was the boxer already informed to VADA why he use a drug especially he under medication, so it's allowed. Possibility he's overweight now and really want to fight with Robson Conceicao, so he doesn't have any choice except phentermine. Because they need to met up on official weight in before the fight, if his weight more than 10 pounds the fight will postponed.

VADA rules regarding doping : http://wbcboxing.com/WBCVADA/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/WBC-Protocol-FINAL.pdf

[Jating]

It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.

Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.

Diuretics are considered ban substance because it is a stimulant - so to improved his performance. Because this kind of drugs will speed up your metabolism and increase your aggressiveness and you will not tire out easily.

It's really too bad to hear that his upset win against Berchelt and beat the champion in his own game, volume punching and KO him with a huge left hook, now that win could go to record as NC (no contest) because of the failed drug testing.

[Baofeng]

It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.

Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.

Thanks for the update so I'm going to lock this thread for good as obviously, this fight will not happen.

For those who ware asking why it is considered a ban substance, maybe this explanation from Victor Conte (who himself was a drug peddler), can help:

ESPN quotes Victor Conte, who once did time for planning to distribute PEDs before becoming a clean sport activist. “You know why it’s a performance-enhancing drug?” He asked rhetorically of phentermine. “Because it’s a central-nervous stimulant…it accelerates your heart rate. It gives you energy. It gives you endurance. It gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe. Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer.” Clearly, such things as stamina and endurance can help a fighter in the ring. In short, Valdez may have ingested a substance which might give him an advantage when facing Conceicao.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/oscar-valdez-reportedly-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-phentermine/

I'm so disappointed with Valdez, so there's no one to blame here but himself.

[Baofeng]

Re-opening the thread as Oscar Valdez was cleared.

BoxingScene.com has learned that Mexico’s Valdez was approved to move forward with his scheduled September 10 clash with Brazil’s Robson Conceicao (16-0, 8KOs), which will air live on ESPN+ from AVA Amphitheater at Casino del Sol in Tucson, Arizona. The bout was previously in jeopardy due to Valdez having tested positive for Phentermine, as discovered through drug testing as contracted through Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA).

However, a ruling handed down by the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission permitted Valdez to proceed with the fight. The argument presented by Valdez’s team—including the claim that the substance in question was discovered during what is deemed as out-of-competition by World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code—along with other undisclosed factors was enough for the unbeaten boxer to receive clearance to fight next week.

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-cleared-by-presiding-commission-move-forward-with-conceicao--160295

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

[Dave1]

^^ I'm just confused though, I thought that it will be an automatic postponement once you are caught with a ban substance. Maybe it depends on the severity, on what drugs are found in your system. And probably because of the money involved to set up this fight, the fight is very near, we know that boxing is business so the money involved must have been taken into consideration.

[bisdak40]

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

[TimeTeller]

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

Maybe, Bob Arum use his influence so that issue doesn't hamper the schedule.
Hope there will be no more issues like this in this upcoming fight.
For sure, the other camp knows about the situation but agreed to push thru their match.
Odds are not yet out, but high likely that they will favor Valdez here.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Valdez will be on probation with the WBC but it still leaves a bad taste knowing there wasn't a stricter punishment. Now we are in a situation where they have to be consistent and some level of PED use will be tolerated if you can find a loophole in WADA's rules and cycle off before you are considered "in competition".

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.

[Fredomago]

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.

Good assessment! more on money matters, fans are already expecting the fight and if the promoters see that flowing money will be at their side, then why not to proceed and forget about this issue.

Not sure why there are no sanctions but if both organizations see no issue and that said drug won't affect anything, there's no reason not to proceed.

Let's enjoy the fight and see who's going to win between these two fighters. Fans will love to see toe to toe actions.

[JohnBitCo]

I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

[Jating]

I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.

What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.

Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.

And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.


His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.

[yazher]

I think the fight will proceed because it is close and the fans wanted it to happen anyway. It's been a while since I saw Oscar Valdez step into the ring after he knocks out Miguel Berchelt to win WBC junior lightweight title. now it's time for him to show the world his great boxing skills again. of course, Robson Conceicao is not an easy target cause he has some good skills to counter Valdez. This upcoming fight needed a decisive strategy for both fighters to beat their opponent and I expected this won't last up to the 12 round.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.

Good assessment! more on money matters, fans are already expecting the fight and if the promoters see that flowing money will be at their side, then why not to proceed and forget about this issue.

Not sure why there are no sanctions but if both organizations see no issue and that said drug won't affect anything, there's no reason not to proceed.

Let's enjoy the fight and see who's going to win between these two fighters. Fans will love to see toe to toe actions.

Yes, no offense to the Indian tribe, but I will assume that they have casino's around as well. So it's a big money business going around that area.

There are sanctioning bodies, it was the WBC, but if knowing the people behind that organization (the Sulaiman) they have been accused of corruption. And that body has a lot of champions as well.

So yeah, it's good that the fight will proceed and us fight fans will have a chance to bet and win some.

[JohnBitCo]

I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.

What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.

Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.

And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.


His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.

Correction i got it wrong and mis-understood that positive test is not related to covid.
So they are referring the drug test ?

The Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight will move forward as planned despite Valdez’s recent positive test for the stimulant Phentermine in a random test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on Aug. 13, with the positive test result being returned on Monday, multiple sources told The Ring on Thursday.

[Russlenat]

I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.

What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.

Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.

And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.


His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.

Correction i got it wrong and mis-understood that positive test is not related to covid.
So they are referring the drug test ?

The Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight will move forward as planned despite Valdez’s recent positive test for the stimulant Phentermine in a random test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on Aug. 13, with the positive test result being returned on Monday, multiple sources told The Ring on Thursday.

Yeah, I was also reading the article and I search for the covid-19 but can't find it, instead it's the drug test that Valdez was tested positive. However, what they found is not enough to stop the right, hence the fight will continue despite that.

This is the reason why the fight would still proceed as scheduled.
for the source you shared:

Valdez’s most recent drug test, which was conducted on Monday, was negative for all banned substances, according to a letter from VADA chief Dr. Margaret Goodman sent to those involved and obtained by The Ring. However, it only takes about 48 hours for Phentermine to clear the system, according to experts.

[Baofeng]

This is what Oscar Valdez says:

"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

[Fredomago]

Yes, no offense to the Indian tribe, but I will assume that they have casino's around as well. So it's a big money business going around that area.

I also assume that there's a big business behind that will push things out. They are aware and they will make
sure that this fight will let fans and gamblers to bet on their fighters. Big money is at stake, so why bother
to stop the fight?

There are sanctioning bodies, it was the WBC, but if knowing the people behind that organization (the Sulaiman) they have been accused of corruption. And that body has a lot of champions as well.

If money talks loudly, what else this body can do? It's more on let it happened for the sake of entertainment but behind
that are the millions of dollars that will be generated after the fight takes place.

So yeah, it's good that the fight will proceed and us fight fans will have a chance to bet and win some.

That's the consolation, and what most of the gamblers are waiting, they are not caring about the rules, but the chance that they can place their bets, a chance to win decently

[Viscore]

This is what Oscar Valdez says:

"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

[bisdak40]

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

You have a point mate but the question still lingers in my mind on what's the purpose of the test they conducted if they still allow the fight to happen despite all of the findings. Yeah, we are not experts on that ban substance issue but they should have kept the result of the test private as to not create chaos in the boxing community.

Anyways, few days before the fight but I have not seen my favorite bookies covering this one. They should not miss this championship fight of future big names like Valdez I guess.