Putin cannot avoid a tribunal

[Alik Bahshi]

Alik Bakhshi
Putin cannot avoid a tribunal


     It looks like Putin cannot escape the International Criminal Court in The Hague. The fact is that Russia refused to Poland in its legitimate request to hand over the wreckage of Lech Kaczynski's plane that crashed near Smolensk in 2010. The representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry explained the refusal by the fact that until the investigative actions carried out by the Russian side are completed, the transfer of the wreckage cannot take place. But 11 years have passed, and apparently while Putin is in the Kremlin, the Polish side will not receive any debris.

    It should be noted the difference in the situation between the Russian downed Malaysian Boeing flight MH-17 and the Kaczynski plane. Undoubtedly, in both cases, the death of planes is a consequence of Putin's general aggressive policy. However, at the time of the downing of Boeing, Putin did not take a direct part, and his fault was in covering up the crime, but the disaster of the Polish plane, if it was planned in advance, then it certainly could not do without Putin, however, as in the case of the poisoning of Navalny and the Skripals ... It is possible that Putin, as a very vindictive person, hated President Kaczynski for his intention to visit the Katyn memorial, which is a symbol of Russia's shameful past, which was the reason for the terrorist attack near Smolensk. (1)
If it is proved that the death of the Polish government delegation was organized by Russian special. services, then this is no longer a crime, so to speak, an internal Russian one, but a terrorist crime of an international scale, and Putin faces life imprisonment, and not only when he ends up abroad, but also in the event of a change in the Kremlin's master. The new president will be forced to surrender the terrorist in order to become a handshake in the circle of his own kind.
Therefore, Putin will not surrender power under any circumstances, realizing that in this case, he will face not only political death.

 1. Katyn is a symbol of the crimes of Russia. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/70528.html


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[Alik Bahshi]

The war started by Putin in Ukraine will bring the beginning of the tribunal even closer, which Nazi Putin cannot avoid.
  

[btcbeograd]

I am afraid to dissapoint you, but yes, he can. And probably will do it!

[paxmao]

I am afraid to dissapoint you, but yes, he can. And probably will do it!

I do not know what kind of naive view do people have around here of the real power behind the international institutions. The UN is very limited in power and depends economically on the US mostly. The international tribunals can only really apply any law if backed up by one of the larger countries, usually the US in their duties. Putin will not be judged unless there is a revolution in the RF and he is demoted.

[Alik Bahshi]

I am afraid to dissapoint you, but yes, he can. And probably will do it!

I do not know what kind of naive view do people have around here of the real power behind the international institutions. The UN is very limited in power and depends economically on the US mostly. The international tribunals can only really apply any law if backed up by one of the larger countries, usually the US in their duties. Putin will not be judged unless there is a revolution in the RF and he is demoted.

   If Russia loses the war with Ukraine, and this is more likely, then for Putin this is the end of his political career, the Russian people will not forgive him for defeat and economic collapse. The situation in Russia is very similar to the situation when Russia lost the war with Japan in 1905, after which a revolutionary movement began in Russia.

[BADecker]

Russia is moving slowly in its conquering of the Zelensky regime in the Ukraine. This is why it looks like Russia is failing, or at least not making as much headway.

The reason for slow moving is that Putin has ordered his troops to be as careful of civilian populations as possible. Because the Ukrainian military is fighting a war the includes using Ukraine citizens as shields - by hiding in, and launching attacks from populated areas - Russia is having a difficult time in their fight of the Ukrainian military without harming civilians.

This is part of the reason why Ukrainian people and companies are moving out. They never know when the Ukraine military is going to establish a fighting base right inside their buildings and homes and cities, thereby inviting an attack on civilian property by the Russians.

We really need to get the Zelensky usurpers out of there, so there can be real, reasonable peace.

[af_newbie]

Once more countries will declare Russia a terrorist state, any pro-Russian support will be criminalized in the civilized world.

Visa bans for Russian citizens, revocations of residencies, and western citizenships will follow.

Asset confiscations of pro-Russian supporters in the West will follow.

All this will put pressure on the Russian citizenry, especially the ruling class and Putin will be sacrificed on the altar of greed.

[BADecker]

Imagine that you wanted to live off the land. You buy 5 acres, set up a big garden, raise some rabbits, chickens, and pigs for meat, maybe even have a cow for milk and some goats. It's work, but you can do it. It's much easier to go out and get a job. But in the long run, you will come out much stronger character-wise (and health-wise, as well) if you do it the hard way.

Russia doesn't need the rest of the world. They don't have a measly 5 acres. They have something like 6 and a half million square miles. And this land is some of the richest in the world... in oil, in lumber, in food growing capability, and in minerals. But it is easier to trade with the world when they can.

Sanctions against Russia don't mean a thing. So far, the sanctions have only served to make Russia stronger. Absolutely increase the sanctions. You'll only make Russia stronger, yet. Once you push them into the mode of doing it all themselves, and they decide to cut off the rest of the world - as they have a little, already - they will rule. The nations of the world will come begging to Russia.

[Alik Bahshi]

Imagine that you wanted to live off the land. You buy 5 acres, set up a big garden, raise some rabbits, chickens, and pigs for meat, maybe even have a cow for milk and some goats. It's work, but you can do it. It's much easier to go out and get a job. But in the long run, you will come out much stronger character-wise (and health-wise, as well) if you do it the hard way.

Russia doesn't need the rest of the world. They don't have a measly 5 acres. They have something like 6 and a half million square miles. And this land is some of the richest in the world... in oil, in lumber, in food growing capability, and in minerals. But it is easier to trade with the world when they can.

Sanctions against Russia don't mean a thing. So far, the sanctions have only served to make Russia stronger. Absolutely increase the sanctions. You'll only make Russia stronger, yet. Once you push them into the mode of doing it all themselves, and they decide to cut off the rest of the world - as they have a little, already - they will rule. The nations of the world will come begging to Russia.

Alas, the greatest wealth in the country is not oil, not gold, not gas and other things that are in the ground and on the ground, but people. For example, there is nothing like this in Finland, and the climate is harsh there, but there are Finns who can work rationally in the conditions of freedom that they were able to defend from the Russian invaders, and today Finland is a more prosperous country than Russia, in which, as you say everything is. If, hypothetically, the Russians are resettled in Finland, and the Finns in Russia, then the Russians will turn Finland into a poor country, and the Finns will make Russia the most prosperous country in the World. I have no doubt that this will be the case, and not otherwise.

As for the sanctions, the USSR during the Cold War was to some extent in isolation, and what came out of this is known, the USSR disappeared. The same will happen with the rest of the Russian Empire.

[Queentoshi]

 
 

Putin cannot avoid a tribunal

Whatever the outcome, I think Vladimir Putin already is already prepared for it, even to the extent of death. Starting a war even when you were warned against it is not what I think the international court will just turn a blind eye to especially since innocent lives have been lost in the process. The war has really stayed much longer than we could have expected.

[mindrust]

Crimial court in Hague pfff. Go on sentence Putin to death. Then send your officers to execute the sentence. I am sure Putin will tremble in fear and surrender. Whoever wrote this article must be a delusional tool living in a pipe dream. Criminal court in Hague lol That was a good joke.

The reality is, Putin will take whatever he wants and the west will suck it aaall up. Like they always do. The western civilization is already collapsing in EU and UK. Have you seen the gas bills lately? Germany is opening their coal plants back. Why don’t they plant more solar panels instead? D’oh

[TheNineClub]

ok, but who will force Putin to a tribunal? In the past those kinds of things happened when opposing forces completly surendered and their countries governments overthrown. I don't se a scenario where that would take place in modern Russia. He could suffer political death in his own country, but I doubt he will ever face any trials.

[Gozie51]

ok, but who will force Putin to a tribunal? In the past those kinds of things happened when opposing forces completly surendered and their countries governments overthrown. I don't se a scenario where that would take place in modern Russia. He could suffer political death in his own country, but I doubt he will ever face any trials.

I think he is going to be charged for war crimes after the war and this is very possible to happen. While the war has continued on, Putin has been alleged to directed his armies against innocent civilians and children killed in bombs and more. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) that is responsible for trying such allegation will take it up from the UN. Putin is a very unemotional person but I think some sanctions will meet him, some past presidents have faced that . Someone like Charles tailor of Liberia have faced same offence.

[BADecker]

Putin slammed on the brakes, but the tribunal simply didn't move out of his way fast enough.

Oh, well. Like James Bond, "Live and let die."

[Alik Bahshi]

ok, but who will force Putin to a tribunal? In the past those kinds of things happened when opposing forces completly surendered and their countries governments overthrown. I don't se a scenario where that would take place in modern Russia. He could suffer political death in his own country, but I doubt he will ever face any trials.

 The fact that Russia will be defeated is beyond question. Russian fascism, just like German fascism, will be judged by an international tribunal. Putin has two options, either The Hague, or the angry Russian people themselves will hang him on the gates of the Kremlin.

[BADecker]

ok, but who will force Putin to a tribunal? In the past those kinds of things happened when opposing forces completly surendered and their countries governments overthrown. I don't se a scenario where that would take place in modern Russia. He could suffer political death in his own country, but I doubt he will ever face any trials.

 The fact that Russia will be defeated is beyond question. Russian fascism, just like German fascism, will be judged by an international tribunal. Putin has two options, either The Hague, or the angry Russian people themselves will hang him on the gates of the Kremlin.

You must be talking about when Jesus comes back and singlehandedly defeats al the nations. The international court has no enforcer.

Angry Russian people fall into 2 categories:
1. the smaller group, who doesn't like anything that anybody does;
2. the larger group, who are mad at Putin for waiting as long as he has to bring this much success to Russia.

Now that Russia is having success, neither Putin or the people will want Putin to stop.



EDIT: Note that in the US, one of the best places to go is the public tribunal court. In the US, this court is the foundational claims court. It's called "The Federal District Court," as opposed to "The United States District Court." In fact, any time that a man or woman is attacked by the Government, this is the only place where they will really have a chance to win.

The Federal District Court is the claims court of the US. It can be forced by anybody into claims rather than complaints. Did you break a law in the US? Take the government official to court in his man/woman capacity in this court. The 4 things he will have to do to show to even have a case are:
1. That he is accusing you of some harm or damage;
2. That you are clearly the one who is being accused;
3. The damage or harm that you did to anyone (if there isn't any damage or harm shown, there is no case);
4. Proof and witness that it was you who did the damage or harm.

If he won't show this stuff, you are on your best behavior to sue him for damages of taking you to court. I mean, think of all the mental stress he placed on you with his lies. But if he is right, and you did harm or damage, it's only right that you pay it back, right? Pay it off a dollar a day.

Best court for Putin if he has to go to court.

[Alik Bahshi]

Everything goes to the fact that Putin will open a second front - a war with the internal opposition.

[BADecker]

Everything goes to the fact that Putin will open a second front - a war with the internal opposition.

A self-/Russia/BRICS defense front.     

[Gozie51]

Putin is likely to be charged for war crime after the war if reasonable evidence are against him. In the beginning of the war, the Russian army were alleged to be bumping civilian areas, hospital also. This has been alleged by the Ukrainian government so it is to be proven against him. But recently the Russian army are trying to be careful and selective and avoiding bumping civilian areas.

[swogerino]

Putin is likely to be charged for war crime after the war if reasonable evidence are against him. In the beginning of the war, the Russian army were alleged to be bumping civilian areas, hospital also. This has been alleged by the Ukrainian government so it is to be proven against him. But recently the Russian army are trying to be careful and selective and avoiding bumping civilian areas.

Where do you live to not see the evidence of a mass grave with 440 people from the liberated city of Izium that the Russian army who does not "hit" civilians had just killed even for fun the evidence from the forensics shows.Russia has failed in every aspect of life and Putin for the first time has seen rage against him from St.Petersburg deputies,one of them said that I don't care if I go to jail but I don't want my children to live in a miserable place because this is what Russia is going to be if things do not change.