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December 02, 2011, 12:06:11 AM
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Mt. Gox Mobile, it just keeps getting easier.
Bitcoins are getting around the block.  Grin

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Mt. Gox Mobile 3.1 includes support for redeemable private keys.  Now you can import your private keys into your Mt. Gox account to redeem your Bitcoins.  If you have a paper bitcoin wallet with a private key in Wallet Import format and many others, you will be able to instantly redeem the balance (6 confirmations req.).

Simply manually enter or scan a QR code to get started.  It's easy.  Mt. Gox Mobile 3.1 is available on Android™ and will be available shortly for Cydia/iOS.

Learn more on the Official Mt. Gox Mobile website.




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nice job again.
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December 02, 2011, 01:05:49 AM
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December 02, 2011, 01:16:34 AM
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Couple quick requests/suggestions.

1 - Are you able or willing to implement the Base58 checksum code, as well as the mini checksum for Casascius coins so typos can be automatically rejected?  (Both are simple SHA256-based checks documented on the wiki under "Base58Check encoding" and "Mini private key format" respectively).  Last I checked on MtGox, website accepts checksum failures (typos) and reports there is no balance, rather than rejecting the input.

2 - Two-part private keys have been recently discussed on the forums.  They would provide very strong security, because it would enable physical bitcoins where the manufacturer can guarantee nobody has the private key, by creating half and allowing a 2nd party to add the other half.  The two part scheme is based on elliptic curve addition, so the full bitcoin address can be computed with neither party knowing the full private key.  Would you be willing to implement a redeemer for a two-part private key?  (Two part private keys are convertable to a single private key with elementary math - a bignumber add and a divide - no complex EC stuff required.  Each of the private keys would likely contain a bit flag that indicates it is only "half" of a key, so your system would know to ask for the other half).

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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December 02, 2011, 06:02:46 AM
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Couple quick requests/suggestions.

1 - Are you able or willing to implement the Base58 checksum code, as well as the mini checksum for Casascius coins so typos can be automatically rejected?  (Both are simple SHA256-based checks documented on the wiki under "Base58Check encoding" and "Mini private key format" respectively).  Last I checked on MtGox, website accepts checksum failures (typos) and reports there is no balance, rather than rejecting the input.

2 - Two-part private keys have been recently discussed on the forums.  They would provide very strong security, because it would enable physical bitcoins where the manufacturer can guarantee nobody has the private key, by creating half and allowing a 2nd party to add the other half.  The two part scheme is based on elliptic curve addition, so the full bitcoin address can be computed with neither party knowing the full private key.  Would you be willing to implement a redeemer for a two-part private key?  (Two part private keys are convertable to a single private key with elementary math - a bignumber add and a divide - no complex EC stuff required.  Each of the private keys would likely contain a bit flag that indicates it is only "half" of a key, so your system would know to ask for the other half).

1. We already do the Base58 checksum. The only issue - I guess - is the fact we fall back to SHA256 if the checksum does not verify. For your "mini private key format" checksum I'll have to check the doc and see how it works.

2. That shouldn't be an issue, could you show me a couple of those (you got my email) with the required computation and we'll implement it.

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December 02, 2011, 06:50:31 AM
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1. We already do the Base58 checksum. The only issue - I guess - is the fact we fall back to SHA256 if the checksum does not verify. For your "mini private key format" checksum I'll have to check the doc and see how it works.

2. That shouldn't be an issue, could you show me a couple of those (you got my email) with the required computation and we'll implement it.

I couldn't find a PM or e-mail, sorry.

Mini private keys are always 22, 26, or 30 characters long and always start with 'S'.  Simply limiting SHA256 hashing to those lengths will solve the Base58 checksum problem.

Mini private keys are validated by hashing SHA256(entry + "?") and confirming the result starts with eight zero bits.

The computation for merging a multi part private key (regardless of the number of parts) is to get the private key of each part (a 32-byte unsigned bignumber, just like a standalone private key), adding them all together, dividing the total by the secp256k1 constant N, and using the remainder as the combined private key.

The constant N is 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364141

You are probably aware that Base58Check-encoding a private key implies the version byte 0x80, and that mini private keys start with 'S'.  I propose using a different version byte to specify that a private key is incomplete and requires other keys.

A version byte of 0xA2 will ensure that a Base58 private key starts with '6' instead of '5'.  A mini private key could start with 'P' to specify it is partial.  Either of these would simply be a clue to MtGox (or any other redeemer) that the private key needs to be combined with something else to be complete, and to show a second prompt asking for the other half of the private key, rather than proceeding to redeem the single private key.




Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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December 03, 2011, 05:21:53 PM
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These are some pretty interesting suggestions, and we will definitely look into this.  A two or more part private key would be very interesting.  (The first thing that actually came to mind was a scene in "Gundam Seed Destiny" where Kira and Lacus have two separate keys which are both required to unlock Freedom. -- Pretty cool idea)

Also, just a note, a small update (version 3.11) was pushed which includes a fix for some users who have indicated issues while on unstable wireless networks.

Edit: forgot a comma in the first sentence
Edit #2: added gundam remark

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December 03, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
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These are some pretty interesting suggestions, and we will definitely look into this.  A two or more part private key would be very interesting.  (The first thing that actually came to mind was a scene in "Gundam Seed Destiny" where Kira and Lacus have two separate keys which are both required to unlock Freedom. -- Pretty cool idea)

Also, just a note, a small update (version 3.11) was pushed which includes a fix for some users who have indicated issues while on unstable wireless networks.

Edit: forgot a comma in the first sentence
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whats the easiest way to get 3.11 on android?
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December 03, 2011, 06:00:10 PM
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whats the easiest way to get 3.11 on android?

The easiest way would be to update through the Android Market.  If it is not showing in the Android Market, try restarting the device since the Market appears to cache results.  It is updated here though:  https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mtgoxlive.trader

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December 03, 2011, 06:59:30 PM
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whats the easiest way to get 3.11 on android?

The easiest way would be to update through the Android Market.  If it is not showing in the Android Market, try restarting the device since the Market appears to cache results.  It is updated here though:  https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mtgoxlive.trader

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I updated but login page still shows 3.1
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I updated but login page still shows 3.1

Hmm, it's possible that 3.11 still didn't show on the Market when you updated.  It should be there soon enough.  Let me know if somehow it doesn't show up and I'll send you the APK.  Sorry for any inconvenience!

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I updated but login page still shows 3.1

Hmm, it's possible that 3.11 still didn't show on the Market when you updated.  It should be there soon enough.  Let me know if somehow it doesn't show up and I'll send you the APK.  Sorry for any inconvenience!

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Im trying to withdrawal 0.4995 btc but I'm getting a error.  I'm assuming its a fee error of some sort but how do I know how much to deduct? Why don't you just automatically deduct fee?

edit:  the error says "please enter a valid amount".  0.4995 is the total balance in there right now which is what i'm trying to withdraw.
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Im trying to withdrawal 0.4995 btc but I'm getting a error.  I'm assuming its a fee error of some sort but how do I know how much to deduct? Why don't you just automatically deduct fee?

edit:  the error says "please enter a valid amount".  0.4995 is the total balance in there right now which is what i'm trying to withdraw.

Sorry about the inconvenience.  When entering ".4995" I was able to reproduce this issue.  However, "0.4995" worked for me.
Anyway we fixed this issue in version 3.13 which is now on the market.  Please let me know if this works better for you now.

Again, sorry about the inconvenience.

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December 16, 2011, 04:48:11 PM
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Have you considered emulating the YubiKey functionality in the MtGox app, at least as a blockade for withdrawals?  So that the app can be used to generate one time passwords one must type into a PC to do a withdrawal.  This isn't going to ever be as strong as a real YubiKey, but it would be free and available immediately and would be a meaningful impediment to theft via keyloggers.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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December 16, 2011, 05:59:34 PM
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When will we be able to move past 2.9 on iPhone.  Wish I had an android, but iCrap was paid for by a client who needed a mobile app Sad.

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December 16, 2011, 07:24:20 PM
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Have you considered emulating the YubiKey functionality in the MtGox app, at least as a blockade for withdrawals?  So that the app can be used to generate one time passwords one must type into a PC to do a withdrawal.  This isn't going to ever be as strong as a real YubiKey, but it would be free and available immediately and would be a meaningful impediment to theft via keyloggers.

This is a good call, and I strongly agree.  It's in the pipeline/development queue and we will see this soon.

When will we be able to move past 2.9 on iPhone.  Wish I had an android, but iCrap was paid for by a client who needed a mobile app Sad.

The app is ready, but we are doing testing which should put this release for sometime next week.  Sorry about the extended delay!



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December 31, 2011, 09:27:04 PM
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Version 3.14 on ios 5.01 still not work for me. stuck at the mt. Gox screen.

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Version 3.14 on ios 5.01 still not work for me. stuck at the mt. Gox screen.

It looks like there are others who are also having this issue.  Somehow, on a fresh iOS iPod Touch 4th Generation with iOS 5.01 (8GB) it seems to work for me.  However, we will look into this.  In the meantime, assuming Apple doesn't have any sort of prejudice at this point, the application should be available on the App Store soon.

An update for the app has been released on Android (3.2) with a Barcode Scanner built in. Further, the titlebar/statusbar is now visible.  It seems that this issue alone was enough to 1-2 star an app. T_T  We changed this right away!

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January 04, 2012, 12:39:57 PM
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I have made a full restore. Now it works! Great app thanks.

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I have made a full restore. Now it works! Great app thanks.

Nerzahd, great!  I'm really happy to hear this.

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