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July 30, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
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Maybe you are thinking he used automated way to merit those post i guess he actually read those post he merited. i don't really think there is any important thing attached to their way of giving merit with time frame listed as you said.
i have also came across of post made by OgNasty where he said "sign a signature and gain merit" that is only for newbie and account that is not related to bounty hunting.
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July 30, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
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Even if you read the posts, it should normally take 2-5 minutes considering the post was merit-worthy. Below are some examples of actual merits given.
Nah, it usually doesn't take nearly that long to figure out if a post is merit-worthy, especially if you're familiar with the member's quality of writing overall.  For example, if I see a post that's a few paragraphs long by a member like Hydrogen, suchmoon, or pretty much any of the members I'm familiar with, I'm confident that the most deserves merit(s).

And if you take a look at my merit-giving history, you'll see I have examples just like the ones you pointed out, where I've given a single member merits for a number of their posts.  That's most likely because I've offered to do post history reviews for members, and just a quick scan of someone's post history will tell me which posts are deserving and which aren't.  I don't think I need to read every single post in depth.  I just check for effort, grammar, spelling, and overall quality.  And hell, I've been a merit source for a couple of years now, so it's gotten easier to do.

Sometimes I'll merit multiple members within a single thread in a short period of time, too.  Again, it really doesn't take that long to separate the good posts from the not-so-good ones.  Quickness comes with experience.

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July 30, 2021, 04:23:36 PM
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You may as well add me to your tin foil hat list of half baked suspects because I will make a copy of the urls of posts I would like to merit.  Then, when i have received some merits, I'll go back over my list open the various URL's and merit each - usually in a handful of minutes.

How many threads have you seen suggesting other people's posts warrant merits?




Even for you OP, this really is a half baked thread.

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July 30, 2021, 04:37:53 PM
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Even for you OP, this really is a half baked thread.
Eh, I don't think OP is being stupid--I think he just doesn't understand how some members can give away so many merits so quickly.  From an outsider's perspective, I can understand how it would appear suspicious.  After all, it's not like this forum hasn't had tons of merit abuse (and likely still has a lot happening).  When someone looks at my merit-giving history, they might reasonably conclude that I'm favoring some members and perhaps question how I could rapidly give a single member 30-40 merits in a single 5-minute period.

The fact is that I'm not favoring anyone.  I'm either doing a post history review for someone who's PM'ed me, or I'm reviewing post histories from this thread, which I try to follow closely.  As I said, it doesn't take long for me to determine whether someone's put enough effort into their posts to warrant merits--but OP may not have understood that, since it hasn't really been discussed before.

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July 30, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
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I could not find any other member on the forum with a similar style of giving out merits and hence I am creating this thread.
Maybe you forget? The Pharmacist has sent you 12 merit in 1 minute 8 second if you carefully check the history of merit you received in the last 120 days. I see it from the merit history you received and I think there are many merit  source that have the same habit, one of which is DdmrDdmr and several others.

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July 30, 2021, 05:45:40 PM
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The first two lines of a post are good enough to know a merits worthy post and there are no rules anywhere asking you to read the entire post before merit, there is no need to be sad about how someone spends his/her smerits they earned it and they should use it they way they see fit as long as they are not trading it. Keeping it to oneself does not add anything to your profile.

From the screenshot you posted I can boldly tell you that Ruchi deserves all the merits he got from CB

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July 30, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
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Glad to see so many good answers, I will reply to the ones I feel I should but thanks to everyone who took part.

Are you trying to say sending smerits within short time is not good?

No, I am not at all saying that. I was just a touch confused how some members are meriting so fast and that leads me to wonder if there is something wrong going on. I never accused or doubted anyone and sorry if I sounded like one.

sending merits isn't bad, you (i) can send merit to any post i found interesting to me or deserved to be merited but looking at the time of meriting the users has nothing to do within. so don't think it is a connected accounts or not.
Gozie51 is not spamming.

All respect to Gozie51 but I just stated the fact that he is part of the spammer list, I never called him a spammer myself Smiley


Besides there are lots of users here how do you intends to monitor all user who are sending merits to fellow users, it is better you find something interesting to do than to monitor how merits being sent out.

When you say something like that, you make me believe there is something wrong because if people involved are clean they must enjoy the whole discussion than suggesting me to find something else.

There is something you don't understand here; Smerit is not what you can save back but to send out, you too can also send to users whom you find their post interesting.

I understand but we do need to make sure people are not involved in spending merits in such a way that only a particular group is benefiting and rotating them.

Since your account is purchased (as tagged by Jolly) I think you are only making things more suspicious here Wink







@savetheFORUM keep in mind that some forum members are bookmarking good posts when they are out of smerit, so when they get some  they can share it very fast, across different threads/boards. I used to do it before, when I was more active but lately I kinda stopped with that;s practice. So, that's another way how it might look that someone is sharing merit without even reading the posts while it doesn't have to be the case.

I myself do that. But meriting the same user within minutes didn't look right to me initially, it is making more sense now as more replies are pouring in.






Not sure if the posts worth merit or not, haven’t checked out as I think it’s not necessary. Merit worthiness depends on the perspective of respective users.
A few days ago, I had PMed yahoo62278 for having a review on my post as I'm nearly to my new rank  Grin Please note that yahoo62278 had stated somewhere to PM him if someone is lacking of merits for next rank or just to have a look at their post history if they think they are not having enough merit. So, he merited in 2 of my posts. It would also be possible that he merited some more posts if he thought my posts deserved. That would create the same situation as this one.

I do ask for such things to reputed members sometimes but I am sure none of the members involved have messaged each other about it, I am pretty sure.





Nah, it usually doesn't take nearly that long to figure out if a post is merit-worthy, especially if you're familiar with the member's quality of writing overall.  For example, if I see a post that's a few paragraphs long by a member like Hydrogen, suchmoon, or pretty much any of the members I'm familiar with, I'm confident that the most deserves merit(s).


Yes although it is quite strange when you see the same group is rotating merits. I will post some stats below to make it clear what I mean.


And if you take a look at my merit-giving history, you'll see I have examples just like the ones you pointed out, where I've given a single member merits for a number of their posts.  That's most likely because I've offered to do post history reviews for members, and just a quick scan of someone's post history will tell me which posts are deserving and which aren't.  I don't think I need to read every single post in depth.  I just check for effort, grammar, spelling, and overall quality.  And hell, I've been a merit source for a couple of years now, so it's gotten easier to do.

That's the point but I don't think these members are asking each other to review their post history regularly.

Thanks though, cleared some of my doubts Smiley






You may as well add me to your tin foil hat list of half baked suspects because I will make a copy of the urls of posts I would like to merit.  Then, when i have received some merits, I'll go back over my list open the various URL's and merit each - usually in a handful of minutes.

I am not suspecting anyone, I am just asking questions based on some different or weird patterns.






I could not find any other member on the forum with a similar style of giving out merits and hence I am creating this thread.
Maybe you forget? The Pharmacist has sent you 12 merit in 1 minute 8 second if you carefully check the history of merit you received in the last 120 days. I see it from the merit history you received and I think there are many merit  source that have the same habit, one of which is DdmrDdmr and several others.

That's because I REQUESTED him to review my posts history and when you specifically check for someone's recent posts, it is understandable to see smaller gaps between merits.



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July 30, 2021, 11:37:53 PM
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Thanks. But from what I know CB is not short on merits and there is a group they are rotating merits except CB who spends outside too. I will post more details very soon.

That was just an example of how merits can be sent quickly, even far quicker than the examples in the OP. As usual, you're barking up the wrong tree and totally misinterpreting something mundane. If you have other "details" as to how this is abuse/misuse - that's what you should have started with, but "very soon" indicates that you're likely just trying to make shit up as you go to justify your preconceived conclusion. Not cool.
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Thanks. But from what I know CB is not short on merits and there is a group they are rotating merits except CB who spends outside too. I will post more details very soon.

That was just an example of how merits can be sent quickly, even far quicker than the examples in the OP. As usual, you're barking up the wrong tree and totally misinterpreting something mundane. If you have other "details" as to how this is abuse/misuse - that's what you should have started with, but "very soon" indicates that you're likely just trying to make shit up as you go to justify your preconceived conclusion. Not cool.

For some reason I have a mentality to absorb hate, maybe as LoyceV calls it, thick-skinned. I don't mind your hate and now let's come to the topic.

I asked for his views before I draw my conclusion and he gracefully explained his part. Now that one part of the story is clear, I am moving to the other one.

Some advice for you, my friend - If you feel insulting me will make me feel bad, it only helps me grow a thicker skin and I laugh don't mind such rants.

For the very soon part, I don't have all day to sit on the forum and post for my signature because I don't have one. Once I have enough time to post what I want, I will do it. You don't own the forum and it's easy to imagine yourself as a king sitting behind a computer with a keyboard on your laps. On the contrary, the more time you spend on forum shows how empty you are in real life Wink

If you think I have nothing meaningful to say and I talk shit all the time, please ignore me and enjoy your stay. I have immense respect for you regardless of how you attack me.

Edit: An oh, I don't have any "preconceived conclusion" to start with. I observed something and discussed it.
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July 31, 2021, 02:09:19 AM
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If you feel insulting me

I'm commenting on your actions, not your person. I thought we already settled that in the discussion about lying and sockpuppeting.

Now that one part of the story is clear, I am moving to the other one.

If it's anything short of CB selling merits or meriting sockpuppets, I'll be very disappointed, given the dramatic setup and the cliffhanger.
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I'm commenting on your actions, not your person. I thought we already settled that in the discussion about lying and sockpuppeting.
If you are still upset about me creating a new account and preferring to use this one over the other, I can't really help you. Just so you know, barking is associated with a dog and if you are comparing me talking to barking, it's insulting. Not that it bothers me one bit, just telling.


If it's anything short of CB selling merits or meriting sockpuppets, I'll be very disappointed, given the dramatic setup and the cliffhanger.

I would be more glad to see CB come out clean instead. Asking questions and drawing comparisons doesn't mean I wish bad for someone. Please don't be upset if CB comes out clean because although I will share some data, I really hope and believe CB will come out clean.

If you feel new members have no right to ask questions to/against self-acclaimed godly keyboard warriors trusted members, then sorry you are mistaken.

If you still have any personal problems though, feel free to message me and continue over there Smiley
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suchmoon, whether they realise it or not, is a very belligerent person who doesn't believe anyone else can have an interpretation that differs to their own.  They will continue to persecute you and indeed anyone else who they perceive has taken a stance against them.

This thread has already gone downhill.  Best not to encourage the trolls such as @suchmoon any further.  (placing them on ignore is best)

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July 31, 2021, 03:41:56 AM
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suchmoon, whether they realise it or not, is a very belligerent person who doesn't believe anyone else can have an interpretation that differs to their own.  They will continue to persecute you and indeed anyone else who they perceive has taken a stance against them.

This thread has already gone downhill.  Best not to encourage the trolls such as @suchmoon any further.  (placing them on ignore is best)

Despite all the differences in opinions with him/her, I wouldn't do it because it's better to confront an intelligent person than to entertain a troll. They have a problem with me because I admitted having 1 more account, although I told them 50 times I don't use it anymore. The thread hasn't gone downhill yet, just wait for it.
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July 31, 2021, 07:29:47 AM
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Some advice for you, my friend - If you feel insulting me will make me feel bad, it only helps me grow a thicker skin and I laugh don't mind such rants.
I read through her comment and I can't figure out where she insulted you, I'm not siding anybody but I think she just pointed out something to you, according to one of the greatest quote I love " I'm 100% responsible for what I write, you are 100% responsible for how you understand it (interprete it)

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the more time you spend on forum shows how empty you are in real life Wink
Sounds like someone jealous of other members' achievements, everything in life is all about passion if you are passionate about something you'd have time for it no matter how tight your schedule is, we are not here because we are empty in real life, most of us are successful businessmen and women, retired and other works of life, I'm an engineer but I always find time to be here not because of the little cents I got from sig but I feel at home whenever I'm here so l always find time for it. We love Bitcoin and that's why most of us are here.

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July 31, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
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If you are still upset about me creating a new account and preferring to use this one over the other, I can't really help you. Just so you know, barking is associated with a dog and if you are comparing me talking to barking, it's insulting. Not that it bothers me one bit, just telling.

It's an idiom. Again, it's about an action and not about you being a dog. I'm starting to sense a trend here despite your repeated claims of how thick your skin is.

I would be more glad to see CB come out clean instead. Asking questions and drawing comparisons doesn't mean I wish bad for someone. Please don't be upset if CB comes out clean because although I will share some data, I really hope and believe CB will come out clean.

I'd be disappointed in your drama for nothing, not because CB is "clean", whatever that means. CB is an upstanding member of the community.
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July 31, 2021, 02:06:13 PM
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I would be more glad to see CB come out clean instead. Asking questions and drawing comparisons doesn't mean I wish bad for someone. Please don't be upset if CB comes out clean because although I will share some data, I really hope and believe CB will come out clean.
I thought you've gotten the desired answers you needed from CB and other reputable members why it is possible to merits to a particular user as many posts as possible under 2mins or less, I've already bookmakered some posts I'd merit whenever I have smerits no matter how long it takes, it just a personal judgement thing. If you keep digging data or no data you'll only feel empty at the end
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July 31, 2021, 05:13:29 PM
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Apparently your not entirely wrong @OP to have tagged the above scenarios planned merits but, to what extent are these merits planned or are they entirely wrong is what I don't get here. I like to examine cases and the facts in them. I might bring to your notice that, there is what we call post reviews and its done by mostly the ranked up users who are either concerned without being provoked and those for whom, they are sent a pm on post review and merits if possible. This is the sort of habit that prompts this sort of meriting and from where I stand in accordance with the forum rules, its not wrong. Posts are looked out for and merited.

Okay, I give you an example and it just came up few days ago from a merit source of which, CryptopreneurBrainboss is also a merit source. Here is a reputable user whom I respect so much and has being playing his part in ensuring proper merit distribution on the forum. Just read this;
Thanks, bro--and congratulations on hitting Hero Member!  You've got enough activity for Legendary, so now the hard part (as I'm sure you're well aware of) is getting those remaining 500 merits. 

If you're interested, you can drop me a PM once a month for a post history review and I'll do my best to merit any of your posts that I may have overlooked.  You've been a member long enough that I think you deserve Legendary status sooner rather than later.  My guess is that you just don't post frequently enough.  I know you've got over 4300 posts, but those were spread over more than 4 years.
What do you expect should the said user apply? I tel you. A post review and then, your most likely to see merits being awarded on a trend as its displayed in OP. The forum is a lot more simple only if yiu can understand. Well, i have to give it to you for being that observative and curious too, its a good one but, one can only so much and so little too.
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July 31, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
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The first two lines of a post are good enough to know a merits worthy post and there are no rules anywhere asking you to read the entire post before merit, there is no need to be sad about how someone spends his/her smerits they earned it and they should use it they way they see fit as long as they are not trading it. Keeping it to oneself does not add anything to your profile.

From the screenshot you posted I can boldly tell you that Ruchi deserves all the merits he got from CB

I have said this before, i don't know why he is after viewing smerit should be spent and not. there are many things to participate to gain merit in the forum.
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August 02, 2021, 05:30:08 AM
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I would be more glad to see CB come out clean instead. Asking questions and drawing comparisons doesn't mean I wish bad for someone. Please don't be upset if CB comes out clean because although I will share some data, I really hope and believe CB will come out clean.

Come out clean and say what exactly, that they're my alts or what. Well if that's what you want to hear me say then sorry to disappoint but they aren't.
You can go on and review these accounts. Even if I was to have another account, It wouldn't be smart of me l, knowing the consequences of my action and its effect on my account and reputation, to abusive this privilege given to me to award merits knowing fullying well that nothing is hidden here, our account activity are open to public viewing so irrespective of what we do, it can be easily identify by just looking dipper into the account.

Are the merit planned obviously, these accounts are been reviewed that's why they're merited in that sequence. It's quiet surprising why you singular out those accounts while we have others been merited in the sequence. Initially I thought you were coming out with a convincing argument of their posts not been worth merits but I guess not as you haven't said anything in that regards.

If you still have something cooking up, do mention me so I get a notification and come clear the air. I was thinking there are other misunderstanding I need to come clear you on but it seems there isn't.

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August 03, 2021, 11:37:58 AM
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Op, is like you are not fully aware that keeping or banking Smerit is bad character because Merit have be in circulating motion, it's obvious that your observation towards distributions of Smerit is totally wrong, anyone is entitle to review any users account and decide to award a merit to any of he or her post that's best known or interesting to him, giving ten or seven (10 to 7) Merits to a particular user account in different topics or post is not against of the community rules and regulations, and is not in any way seen as abuse of Merit system, i think some person's have clarified you very well before you will alleged another accusations to another merit source.



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