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August 12, 2021, 07:43:34 PM
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I first learned that the bitcoin creator was anonymous in 2017. I immediately spent the next 20 minutes researching.....

1) -- (2 minutes) A simple google search taught me that "Satoshi Nakamoto" is his screen name on bitcoin talk. He simply quit posting after he finished creating bitcoin.


2) -- (10 minutes) I pulled up Bitcoin Talk and realized it is the same formatted message board I used every day for years for music related purposes. These message boards are EXTREMLY addicting. I'm sure he figured he would simply become a player and get rich off of bitcoin -- never to post again or give away his hand. Satoshi is obviously a computer nerd who is far too bright to be the face of this thing. He (or they) masterminded the construct of bitcoin and posts very methodically. He was aware of the possible implications of being "the inventor" and the backlash which he could face in the future. He also kept 1m coins to always have enough control in case it is ever needed. HOWEVER, what he didn't create was a way to be himself and get any credit for this thing. I mean, he worked for a long time on this and its his masterpiece. He needs to have some type of say/control over his baby. It would be impossible to simply walk away. He of course followed the progress and he would not be able to refrain from posting/input. Find a major player who registered right after Satoshis final post.

3) -- (5 minutes) Satoshi has posted on this page on December 13, 2010. Pieter Wuille registered 4 days later on December 17, 2010. And he has been at the forefront of development. Coincidence?

4) --- (3 minutes) Calculating the chances of Pieter Wuille registering only 4 days after satoshis final post, immediately contributing, and remaining at the forefront of bitcoin development ever since. Coupled with the fact that coincidences simply do not exist. I believe that the chances of Wuile NOT being affiliated with the creator, being the creator, or at least knowing who is responsible for the satoshi nakamoto screen name are fairly low.

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August 12, 2021, 08:20:43 PM
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Have a check to Pieter's tweet together with his replies.

I have an email from Satoshi Nakamoto.

According to him, Satoshi is still active on early 2011 after he became inactive on bitcointalk on december 2010. He even have last message/email to his co-developers.

Your guess might ring a bell, but nah.
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August 12, 2021, 09:58:16 PM
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Satoshi last post was on the 7th March 2014 on p2pfoundation " I'm not DORIAN NAKAMOTO" after the American software engineer was arrested as Satoshi. Pieter was not the only one who had emails contact with Satoshi.


Have a check to Pieter's tweet together with his replies.

I have an email from Satoshi Nakamoto.

According to him, Satoshi is still active on early 2011 after he became inactive on bitcointalk on december 2010. He even have last message/email to his co-developers.

Your guess might ring a bell, but nah.

I first learned that the bitcoin creator was anonymous in 2017.
He became anonymous the moment he introduced bitcoin on cryptographic mailing list on Nov 2008.

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August 12, 2021, 10:01:08 PM
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Bro your prediction could be god damn right. The days so much similar and the posibility of the coincidence is so hard. Those guys could really know the satoshi so what? How it can affect us and our investments?
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August 12, 2021, 10:19:03 PM
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I appreciate your hard work in finding news and looking for information to find assumptions like this I really appreciate it
but there are a few things that deviate from what i know because what i know is that Satoshi was last active on bitcointalk it was 2010 not 2011.
other than that back to the statement at the beginning. this is your own prediction, it could be right and it could be wrong apart from that, there is still no clarity and it is still a secret until now

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August 12, 2021, 10:37:35 PM
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I mean, he worked for a long time on this and its his masterpiece. He needs to have some type of say/control over his baby.


Are you familiar with the concept of open source software? The author makes it free for anyone to modify and release their own versions of it. Or can just pass the role of maintainer to other people, no strings attached. And no single person controls Bitcoin development, all the changes that are made are agreed upon by the community of developers.

3) -- (5 minutes) Satoshi has posted on this page on December 13, 2010. Pieter Wuille registered 4 days later on December 17, 2010. And he has been at the forefront of development. Coincidence?


This doesn't mean anything. If satoshi had an alt account, he could have registered it at any point in history. You gotta show a lot of strong evidence to claim that someone is satoshi, not some single and meaningless coincidence.

Coupled with the fact that coincidences simply do not exist.

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August 12, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
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I appreciate your hard work in finding news and looking for information to find assumptions like this I really appreciate it
but there are a few things that deviate from what i know because what i know is that Satoshi was last active on bitcointalk it was 2010 not 2011.
other than that back to the statement at the beginning. this is your own prediction, it could be right and it could be wrong apart from that, there is still no clarity and it is still a secret until now

I had found the same mis statement on your analysis. But your work was impressive. Most people like to know, who is satoshi Nakamoto. In my circle, most traders say Elon musk was sathosi. He was hidden himself and used the bitcoin for his project. Then using same bitcoin, he was doing such market speculation. But their is no proof for the same.

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August 12, 2021, 10:58:21 PM
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Those guys could really know the satoshi so what?
I doubt if he knows Satoshi. Sure, knowing Satoshi isn't impossible, nothing really anonym in this world. But all of us realize that the chance is very small as Satoshi really must understand how to contact someone without the possibility to track his identity or even location. I am following too many discussions about Satoshi, unfortunately no one has convincing proof of his real identity.


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August 12, 2021, 10:58:48 PM
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Considering your data very well might be related, it would be foolish to assume that Satoshi has done ALL the work by himself, maybe 95%, but he still needed help. But I doubt that it’s him.

First, the styles in which they write are different (spaces, quotes, words in a sentence, etc.). Second, the latter (Pieter Wuille) doesn’t seem to hide his identity. If it took you only 20 minutes to find out this info, don't you think the real Satoshi would’ve been more careful about these things?
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August 12, 2021, 11:35:24 PM
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I still think Satoshi Nakamoto was australian security researcher David Kleiman who unfortunately passed away in 2013 (R.I.P.). There are many published articles and accounts written about the potential for Kleiman being Satoshi. If Satoshi were still alive today. I think he would end up in a cell next to Julian Assange and John McAfee. To deter future developers from walking the path. The only thing that makes sense is, he is no longer in this world.

One excalibur sword left in a stone to verify the identity of Satoshi has been private keys to genesis blocks Satoshi was known to have pre mined. Perhaps someday Satoshi will return to enter the private keys, pull the sword from the stone and crown himself king. But I doubt it. Even if a private key were verified, enough time has elapsed that the keys conceivably could have been broken or recovered from wherever they were stored on hardware.
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August 13, 2021, 01:59:39 AM
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If you spend enough time trying to solve the mystery of who Satoshi is, I think it pretty clearly comes down to two people whom are the most likely candidates.  Now I want to make it clear that I hope we never find out whom Satoshi is, and the fact that he has stayed anonymous for all these years since the start of bitcoin is the one of the best things that could have every happened to bitcoin.  In fact I would bet my life savings ( which is about 100 bucks or so  Cheesy ) that Satoshi knew he would stay anonymous and leave bitcoin so that there was never a "central head' to the project from the very beginning.  Whom do I think I Satoshi is, IMO the two most likely candidates are easily Nick Szabo and Hal Finney.  Personally I think Nick and Hal were both Satoshi.  I mean take a look at Szabo.. the guy created bitgold, smart contracts, never joined bitcointalk that we know of etc.  Satoshis writing style was analyzed by a firm and they compared it to all of the other most obvious candidates such as Nick, Hal, Klieman and several others and they concluded his style most closely resembled Nick Szabo.  Nick gave an interview a few years back where he was talking about bitcoin and he had a bit of a slip of tongue and stated "when I created bitcoin, I mean created bitgold".. obviously he could have done that by complete accident..but I dunno. My 2 Satoshis.

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August 13, 2021, 02:24:46 AM
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I might as well bump a good thread about Satoshi here:

[1] I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread. by @BlackHatCoiner

[2] Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk @xtraelv



We all know our own conclusions or who is Satoshi, but I guess we really can't find out who the legendary man behind the creation.

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I mean, he worked for a long time on this and its his masterpiece. He needs to have some type of say/control over his baby.


Are you familiar with the concept of open source software? The author makes it free for anyone to modify and release their own versions of it. Or can just pass the role of maintainer to other people, no strings attached. And no single person controls Bitcoin development, all the changes that are made are agreed upon by the community of developers.

3) -- (5 minutes) Satoshi has posted on this page on December 13, 2010. Pieter Wuille registered 4 days later on December 17, 2010. And he has been at the forefront of development. Coincidence?


This doesn't mean anything. If satoshi had an alt account, he could have registered it at any point in history. You gotta show a lot of strong evidence to claim that someone is satoshi, not some single and meaningless coincidence.

Coupled with the fact that coincidences simply do not exist.

Where did you pull that fact from?


The time frames in relation to satoshis final post and Wuille registering for bitcoin talk was exactly 4 days. It would be impossible for satoshi to never post on these boards again. The fact that this man is onw of the core developers since day 1 is also extremely coincidental. I do not believe in coincidences -- especially 2 like this combined. Those statistics are astronomical. It is a theory which is of course based on stats and ruling out variables

He most CERTAINLY changed the way he communicated to throw ppl off. And he did a fantastic job.
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August 16, 2021, 04:39:04 PM
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I believe that the chances of Wuile NOT being affiliated with the creator, being the creator, or at least knowing who is responsible for the satoshi nakamoto screen name are fairly low.

Nice correlation, but sadly useless.
Unless Pieter Wuille comes out telling "I am Satoshi" and proves it by proving ownership on one of "Satoshi's wallets", all this is just another story.
Do you see that coming after so many years? I don't. So just leave it be.

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August 16, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
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I still think Satoshi Nakamoto was australian security researcher David Kleiman who unfortunately passed away in 2013 (R.I.P.). There are many published articles and accounts written about the potential for Kleiman being Satoshi. If Satoshi were still alive today. I think he would end up in a cell next to Julian Assange and John McAfee. To deter future developers from walking the path. The only thing that makes sense is, he is no longer in this world.

One excalibur sword left in a stone to verify the identity of Satoshi has been private keys to genesis blocks Satoshi was known to have pre mined. Perhaps someday Satoshi will return to enter the private keys, pull the sword from the stone and crown himself king. But I doubt it. Even if a private key were verified, enough time has elapsed that the keys conceivably could have been broken or recovered from wherever they were stored on hardware.

The same one proposed by Jeff Garzik.
He said he started writing software code for Bitcoin after reading a post on slashdot in July 2010. At the time, Bitcoin had only been around for about a year and a half and satoshi was still active.
Within a short period of time, Garzik became the third largest Bitcoin coder, after satoshi himself and Gavin Andresen, and remained in this position until 2014.
During the initial period, Garzik worked directly with Nakamoto, interacting with him via email and here on Bitcointalk, until Satoshi disappeared in 2011.
His personal theory is that satoshi was Floridian Dave Kleiman. For Garzik he matched his coding style, Kleiman was self-taught and the coder of Bitcoin was someone who was very, very smart, but not a classically trained software engineer.
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I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread.. Another topic about Satoshi Nakamoto. Grin

Any attempt to discover who is/ are real Satoshi Nakamoto is waste of time and will end with nothing. Satoshi wanted to be anonymous at beginning and he is a time-traveler to know he will be very famous after a several Bitcoin halvings so he did not leave trace for us to break his anonymity.

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Have a check to Pieter's tweet together with his replies.

I have an email from Satoshi Nakamoto.

According to him, Satoshi is still active on early 2011 after he became inactive on bitcointalk on december 2010. He even have last message/email to his co-developers.

Your guess might ring a bell, but nah.
I think he realized that it was a really big deal that his family and his name would be at stake and he also did realize that government will probably try and pin him down therefore he just tried to cover it all up, which he already had planned before. So he is most likely a very intelligent person with plans beforehand.

He might just show himself one day and going to make some major changes in the chain. I do think he is there on Bitcointalk for sure but he is hiding lol.

I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread.. Another topic about Satoshi Nakamoto. Grin

Any attempt to discover who is/ are real Satoshi Nakamoto is waste of time and will end with nothing. Satoshi wanted to be anonymous at beginning and he is a time-traveler to know he will be very famous after a several Bitcoin halvings so he did not leave trace for us to break his anonymity.

Well even if he did not leave any trace I do feel like he does care about his invention and would come to fix some minor issues.

But we won't find him for sure until and unless he decides he is comfortable with us and there have been attempts in the past, I remember one where they had a countdown lol, it's hilarious, they were probably doing some weird science experiment.

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Considering your data very well might be related, it would be foolish to assume that Satoshi has done ALL the work by himself, maybe 95%, but he still needed help. But I doubt that it’s him.

First, the styles in which they write are different (spaces, quotes, words in a sentence, etc.). Second, the latter (Pieter Wuille) doesn’t seem to hide his identity. If it took you only 20 minutes to find out this info, don't you think the real Satoshi would’ve been more careful about these things?
It makes way more sense if satoshi is only one person, I know that for a lot of people it is almost impossible to imagine a single person that is so well versed in so many fields that it can produce something like bitcoin on his own, however if satoshi was in fact a group of people then I'm pretty sure that someone must have told someone already about what they were doing, after all we are talking about something that is going to change the world, could a group of people keep the secret? I simply do not believe it, so the most likely explanation is that satoshi was a single person that created all of this by himself.
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Good hypothesis, but from a psychology standpoint each one of us is unique and thus has its own peculiar things. A man with a bright mind that was capable of creating Bitcoin is certainly special like every one of us. Smiley My point is that not everybody has a need for attention and fame. There are people who just want to do meaningful things and not be the center of attention. Just imagine the amount of publicity and renown he would get if he revealed himself. One needs to think deeply about his lifestyle when making such decisions.
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Pieter Wuille may be one of the many candidates for Satoshi Nakamoto but you need to provide more proofs for your hypothesis if you want to prove he is really Satoshi.
You need to compare writing styles and other things, not just 4 days registration difference between Satoshi and Pieter Wuille, that proves nothing.
One thing is sure about Satoshi identity - he is not Craig Wright aka Faketoshi, anyone else is possible candidate including Pieter Wuille.

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