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August 19, 2021, 04:03:39 AM
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^^^ This is not true. How many people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine has died from the virus? More than a billion people have received the Pfizer shots so far. According to the data from the United States, in the recent months 99.5% of those who died were not fully vaccinated. Only 0.5% of the deaths occurred among the fully vaccinated population, who comprise more than half of the sample size. I wouldn't say the same about Chinese vaccines though. A lot of people have died, even after receiving two doses of the Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccine.

Reports like this are the reason why there is a huge percentage of the population doesn't want to get vaccinated. Certainly, there are truths to these reports, the government itself admitted that even if you are vaccinated you are still not safe from getting a new variant of the virus. It's pointless to get vaccinated when the virus mutates every time.  This is why there has to be a better solution like end the mutation.


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August 19, 2021, 04:36:28 AM
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Reports like this are the reason why there is a huge percentage of the population doesn't want to get vaccinated. Certainly, there are truths to these reports, the government itself admitted that even if you are vaccinated you are still not safe from getting a new variant of the virus. It's pointless to get vaccinated when the virus mutates every time.  This is why there has to be a better solution like end the mutation.

Look at the available data. It suggests that in case you are fully vaccinated, then you are 200 times less likely to die from the virus. Check this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cdc-data-covid-deaths-vaccines-b1881306.html

The chances of infection is still not zero among the unvaccinated, as the vaccines have a lower efficacy against the delta variant. But the truth is that despite this, they offer a great deal of protection from hospitalization and death. The current batch of vaccines are not 100% effective. But I would consider 99.5% protection much better than dying from the virus.

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August 19, 2021, 04:51:23 AM
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^^^ This is not true. How many people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine has died from the virus? More than a billion people have received the Pfizer shots so far. According to the data from the United States, in the recent months 99.5% of those who died were not fully vaccinated. Only 0.5% of the deaths occurred among the fully vaccinated population, who comprise more than half of the sample size. I wouldn't say the same about Chinese vaccines though. A lot of people have died, even after receiving two doses of the Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccine.
comparing both vaccine seems to be not ethical now because we are here tending to cure the virus and finally save the world,
but with this kind of topics we are just making people who had not been having vaccine take another second thoughts , even which is good or not yet those are the only available vaccines for now.
let us not forget that the vaccine is very limited and the supplies are really shorting now.
But indeed that for me it is Pfizer who's safer to use .

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August 19, 2021, 05:07:59 AM
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Guess it's about much more than just vaccines and people still don't get it. The economy doesn't seem like it can be fixed anytime soon, we're uselessly and endlessly chasing tails but the final result will still be the same. Virus or not, there has to be another agenda behind and they're thoroughly following it. Vaccines have been known from the start to be only a potential stopper of the virus, but it proved useless in the face of all those other mutations. If after 1 year even with a vaccine I still have to fear going out in public, something's wrong.

Wakey wakey.

Welcome to the club. People ain't calling this shitshow "plandemic" without a reason.

My guess is that WEF is behind this.You know, the great reset, depopulation and shit.

We are almost certain that virus came from the lab in Wuhan now. It wasn't a random incident.

People in China have been eating bats and other freaks for what? Thousands of years? And that became a problem now? Nice joke.

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August 19, 2021, 02:47:29 PM
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The mindset of people who are wrong about viruses and vaccines is still an obstacle because they think that when they have been vaccinated they will be completely immune to this virus but in fact it is not like that.
With our bodies already vaccinated, it is true that our antibodies are stronger in resisting the transmission of this virus, but that doesn't mean it's 100% effective because this is just a precaution and we still have to do the right health protocols such as washing hands and wearing masks.
but sometimes people's mindset is different, they think when they get the vaccine they will really avoid the virus so they forget the recommended health protocol.

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August 19, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
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Currently, almost covid 19 has mutated quite complicatedly and cannot be controlled, the number of deaths is increasing, vaccination is only a temporary measure, there is still no absolute solution for this virus when you getting this vaccine will have unpredictable consequences that are called background disease, and the covid virus it becomes more and more unpredictable, now my country has a lot of people dying more and more.
I think the scenario in which we are going to have to receive a new vaccine against the covid each year is becoming more and more real, the virus is becoming more and more dangerous and if a new strain mutates that is resistant to the vaccines then we are going to be in trouble and we will have to see if we go back to the lockdowns as governments will be put between a rock and a hard place, as they will have an almost impossible decision to take between the life of their citizens and the well-being of the economy.



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August 19, 2021, 06:14:46 PM
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Some protection is still protection at all, even if it’s only good for a few months. The thing with COVID-19 is that its spike protein—the one responsible for ‘latching’ itself onto other cells—changes very fast that vaccine manufacturers are having a hard time creating a one-size-fits-all solution. It’s also worth noting that the vaccines we have now are concocted in such a short span of time in order to help control the pandemic. Ultimately, our immune systems are whay’s really fighting the virus and not the vaccines themselves. They are merely ‘triggers’ to our own body’s defense mechanism.

Due to this, many people are hesitant to take the shot, which often leads to conspiracy theories that big pharma is just making money off of this. While true that big pharmas are indeed making money off vaccines, it is still the best temporary solution that we have against the virus, until a drug capable of curing the virus is created, and a vaccine that seals all vectors of infection is concocted. Vaccines work, it’s just that some people are just not compliant with health safety protocols which, in turn, creates outbreaks in the communities. Being vaccinated does not mean you wouldn’t contract the virus, but it lessens that possibility and saves you from severe complications.

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On another note, we, at the lab I work in, still strongly believe that the spike proteins of the first variant detected was created in such a way that it changes its set of instructions once it infects a host. It is possible to create such RNA templates with the technology that we have right now. It may sound like I’m wearing my tinfoil hat in here, but it might just be the case. Big pharmas aren’t involved, but someone mean and bad just wants to take control of the world’s economy and be recognized as the world’s most powerful country.

Then again it’s just a discussion that we have amongst ourselves. We could always be wrong. After all, we are merely testing samples of swabs taken from suspected patients  Cheesy
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I think the scenario in which we are going to have to receive a new vaccine against the covid each year is becoming more and more real, the virus is becoming more and more dangerous and if a new strain mutates that is resistant to the vaccines then we are going to be in trouble and we will have to see if we go back to the lockdowns as governments will be put between a rock and a hard place, as they will have an almost impossible decision to take between the life of their citizens and the well-being of the economy.

LOL.. most of the countries have already gone back to lockdowns. Some of the countries, such as Indonesia and Brazil are reporting more than a thousand daily deaths from the virus now. And regarding the booster doses, they may be required to counter new strains of the virus. The mRNA vaccines can't protect you for more than 6 to 12 months. After that you need to get a booster dose. And there is a new strain called "delta plus" being reported from India and from what I heard, it is much more lethal and contagious when compared to delta.
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^^^ This is not true. How many people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine has died from the virus? More than a billion people have received the Pfizer shots so far. According to the data from the United States, in the recent months 99.5% of those who died were not fully vaccinated. Only 0.5% of the deaths occurred among the fully vaccinated population, who comprise more than half of the sample size. I wouldn't say the same about Chinese vaccines though. A lot of people have died, even after receiving two doses of the Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccine.

Well said. Vaccine has its benefits though I myself have witnessed some cases of covid-19 who got infected despite having received  received 1 or 2 dozes of vaccine, in my neighnourhood but their condition didn't reach to the extent  that needed hospitalization or ventilator  and they got recovered within 2 weeks with regular intake of Panadol and some home remidies like steam inhalation and by drnking herbal tea. It is true that vaccination does not totally protects you but saves you from adversitiess of covid-19.









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Does the actual Covid case rate matter that much? More important than that is the death rate, which has definitely gone down in the vaccinated people.

Also this sounds raw but is true, for economics, it doesn't quite matter if a lot of people die even. People are now going out again and don't care about the virus, which is what matters economically. Sure it can take out 1% of the population, but if everyone goes out and then gets herd immunity, does it really matter?
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I could remember when the Corona Virus started making the world to be in a turbulent state of rest. America shut down in March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, there was a pervading sense that the situation was probably or hopefully temporary. After all, efforts were already underway to develop a vaccine. It was just a matter of time until normalcy would return.

But 17 months later, a return to "normal" is nowhere in sight. Frightening new mutant strains like the delta variant and the lambda variant have emerged, more infectious and possibly more dangerous than their antecedents. Early evidence indicates that, while existing vaccines stop patients from getting severely ill if infected, they do not prevent the infected from transmitting the disease. At the very least, it is theoretically possible that mutant variants could create problems for people who want their inoculations to be effective.

In other words, the vaccines weren't enough. Humanity anxiously awaited development of the first COVID-19 vaccines throughout 2020; now that those vaccines aren't enough to permanently halt COVID-19, it would appear that vaccine manufacturers are pivoting their strategy. But as to what they have planned, pharmaceutical companies aren't being entirely transparent — or perhaps they aren't sure.

"As SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve, Pfizer and BioNTech are continuing our work to understand long term immunity, the need for booster shots, and any threat from circulating or new variants of concern to vaccine protection," a Pfizer spokesperson told Salon by email. The company said that the existing body of research and evidence suggests that the circulating variants do not escape their COVID-19 vaccine, adding that they continue to perform clinical trials at various stages for a third dose of their currently two-dose BNT162b2 vaccine, with possibly hopeful results. That vaccine, widely known as the "Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine," is effective in preventing COVID-19; two doses of it significantly strengthens the body's ability to avoid severe disease and hospitalizations.

The company also communicated to Salon that, broadly speaking, they plan on keeping tabs on emerging variants and waning immunity so that they can prepare new products if necessary. "It is, in part, why we chose a vaccine technology with the flexibility that allows us to both provide boosting doses if needed and to address potential changes in the virus," Pfizer explained.

The biotechnology in question is known as an mRNA vaccine, and it describes the type of inoculation developed by both Pfizer and Moderna (which did not respond to Salon's request for comment). Traditional vaccines work by introducing a weakened or dead pathogen (an organism that causes disease) into the body. The immune system becomes familiar with the pathogens by being exposed to them and, like a soldier participating in war games, learns how to fight a real enemy through training with a facsimile. More specifically, the immune system learns how to recognize antigens (a toxic or foreign substance on an antigen) and produce antibodies to destroy the pathogens associated with them.

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/12/vaccine-makers-future-strategy-delta/

Ah yes, the pioneering scientifically acclaimed journal known as "salon.com" - what complete tabloid trash you're trying to use as evidence to spread your garbage myths. The vaccine developers have been clear from the beginning that everything has to be based on real world evidence. This virus has travelled so far and so fast that it is unlikely anything the world has seen for around a hundred years - aka an unprecedented pandemic. Every vaccine relies on training the bodies immune system to fight an invading threat - however that relies on training against certain makers. A virus is a constantly evolving organism that is naturally changing as it moves between people and certain strains are able to morph into something new - the markers vaccines used change. That means that in most cases the vaccine will work where the majority, even a minority, of markers stay the same but as the virus mutates it can become less effective. Much the same as how some people get yearly flu shots, which are a defense against selected flu viruses of that year, we may need a similar booster to fight Covid until a longer term cure is found.

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Well said. Vaccine has its benefits though I myself have witnessed some cases of covid-19 who got infected despite having received  received 1 or 2 dozes of vaccine, in my neighnourhood but their condition didn't reach to the extent  that needed hospitalization or ventilator  and they got recovered within 2 weeks with regular intake of Panadol and some home remidies like steam inhalation and by drnking herbal tea. It is true that vaccination does not totally protects you but saves you from adversitiess of covid-19.

If vaccination reduces the risk of death by 200 times, then I would call it very effective. There have been a few deaths among those who are fully vaccinated, but these are rare exceptions. If you are completely vaccinated (i.e two doses), then there is no doubt that you will fare against COVID better, when compared to those who are unvaccinated. I have doubts regarding the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines, but the other vaccines such as Pfizer and Moderna have proven their efficacy against the virus.

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They think about bad things about the vaccine since there are so many fake news over the net and many people believes it, maybe its time for those people who afraid to get vaccinated to think twice about the current situation.

Today distinguishing fake news from the real ones became matter of life and death, if not for you, then for those around you.

The current rise is due to the new variant floating around and if those unvaccinated people got infected they have a high risk to get hospitalized and that's what happening right now. As you said if many people will choose to get vaccinated for sure we will see those numbers decline. Hopefully many people will get convince that vaccine is helpful to us.

Exactly. We are facing a new stage of the pandemic, which can be called "pandemic among unvaccinated".

~Not thinking critically in any sense turns us into robots who only carry out the orders of their masters.

I absolutely agree with this, and maybe that's why the most part of my friends don't want to vaccinate - they think critically like I do. I even know personally a 40+ guy believing that Earth is flat, and that they all lying to us. Don't you think it's too much of a critical view? I personally do. And to me, thinking that all health care workers in the world conspired to kill us, or, to not tell us the truth about possible risks just to be getting their salaries is close to believing that Earth is flat.

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Is there no vaccine that can really cure COVID-19?

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The Covid-19 pandemic has been going on for almost two years. Over time, the corona virus that causes Covid-19 also mutates and gives rise to various new variants.

In this regard, a number of countries continue to do their best to save their citizens from this deadly virus.

Vaccination is one of the most effective efforts to deal with the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

Vaccination is the administration of vaccines (antigens) that can produce the formation of immunity (antibodies) of the immune system in the body. Vaccination as a primary prevention effort that is very capable of preventing disease can be done by vaccination. With the vaccination procedure it is really hoped that optimal immunity will be obtained.

Actually, the body's immune system against a disease can be formed naturally when a person is infected with a virus or bacteria that causes it. However, Corona virus infection has a high risk of death and transmission. Therefore, another way is needed to form the immune system, namely vaccination.

The Covid-19 vaccination is carried out after the safety and efficacy is in place, in an effort to reduce the risk and death and encourage the formation of herd immunity. In addition, the Covid-19 vaccination aims to protect and strengthen the health system as a whole, as well as maintain productivity and reduce the social and economic impact of the community.

However, I will not speculate further about giving vaccines, because there are various types of vaccines offered by a number of countries that have succeeded in creating these vaccines.

I only see the positive side, as a community, always obey the government's recommendations, and really hope that the COVID-19 pandemic will end soon and the world will recover.
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Currently, almost covid 19 has mutated quite complicatedly and cannot be controlled, the number of deaths is increasing, vaccination is only a temporary measure, there is still no absolute solution for this virus when you getting this vaccine will have unpredictable consequences that are called background disease, and the covid virus it becomes more and more unpredictable, now my country has a lot of people dying more and more.

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^^^ This is not true. How many people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine has died from the virus? More than a billion people have received the Pfizer shots so far. According to the data from the United States, in the recent months 99.5% of those who died were not fully vaccinated. Only 0.5% of the deaths occurred among the fully vaccinated population, who comprise more than half of the sample size. I wouldn't say the same about Chinese vaccines though. A lot of people have died, even after receiving two doses of the Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccine.

Reports like this are the reason why there is a huge percentage of the population doesn't want to get vaccinated. Certainly, there are truths to these reports, the government itself admitted that even if you are vaccinated you are still not safe from getting a new variant of the virus. It's pointless to get vaccinated when the virus mutates every time.  This is why there has to be a better solution like end the mutation.
Not safe with new variations but protecting ourselves against old variations, vaccination is the way to reduce the mortality rate of people, think of the positive environment that sometimes we have basic antibodies, even if it's very small, it still ensures that the candle of life still burns slowly before the government looks for new measures. Refusing to vaccinate only leaves us alone with the old variants and the loss rate is very high, the government's admission of weakness just so we know the dangers and should be vaccinated, they need us to give them more time to put an end to this mutant disease

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August 20, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
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In short, my current views coincide with what's written in this tweet:



It's not like that... these doctors you are talking about are getting their paychecks to sell different drugs! It's their job, they get bonuses from farmaceutical companies for that... when we are at that, it would be interesting to see who is on the pharmaceutical paycheck list! I would say all of them who are trying to scare people with numbers, repeating those numbers daily, every hour... brainwashing campaign! And it's going great as I can see!

And this forcing/blackmailing people to take this covid vaccine, what is that? Why they are doing that? Why they are targeting our kids? It's not about 1 or 100 articles, it's about logical thinking... why would we force healthy people to take some vaccine, why would we force kids to do that? Is that normal?

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August 20, 2021, 06:38:41 PM
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This couldn't have happened if the politicians didn't pressure the vaccine manufacturers to release the vaccines as quickly as possible to further their interests that are mostly selfish. They could've perfected it and not skip out on trials which is the crucial part in making a vaccine.
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August 20, 2021, 07:17:30 PM
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Zinc and vitamin D are emerging as great supplements for COVID-19.

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The Role of Zinc in Antiviral Immunity

This review summarizes current basic science and clinical evidence examining zinc as a direct antiviral, as well as a stimulant of antiviral immunity. An abundance of evidence has accumulated over the past 50 y to demonstrate the antiviral activity of zinc against a variety of viruses, and via numerous mechanisms. The therapeutic use of zinc for viral infections such as herpes simplex virus and the common cold has stemmed from these findings; however, there remains much to be learned regarding the antiviral mechanisms and clinical benefit of zinc supplementation as a preventative and therapeutic treatment for viral infections.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31305906/

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Zinc itself appears to have anti viral characteristics. In addition to being a vital component to having a fully functional immune system. Studies claim many in the world have zinc deficiencies, leading to decreased immune system function.

There doesn't appear to be good information available on vaccines. Perhaps they will label our current era something other than an "information age" seeing as how starved we are for relevant information.

Minorities in the united states appear to be the least vaccinated demographic. A fact which the media strangely appears to ignore. I do not support vaccines and will never get them. There are many discrepansies and inconsistencies revolving around COVID-19 and vaccines which are not being acknowledged.

Zinc is not a COVID-19 supplement and nothing in the study you posted even mentions any applicability to COVID-19 whatsoever (in fact it was published before the pandemic began).  Nobody should take one abstract study that doesn't address the premise at all as any type of confirmation that zinc is a suitable treatment for COVID-19.  It's not.  Vaccine's have proven effective at limiting the spread and reducing the rate of serious illness, hospitalizations and death.  To maintain anything to the contrary ignores the reality and the science of it.  Due to people like OP who refuse vaccines, everyone in the world is in far worse shape.  This continued stupidity imperils the world.  Perhaps this is the type of virus that can never be defeated, just as influenza cannot be defeated, but we're certainly not in a better place because of the anti-vaxxers dragging the rest of us down, giving the virus continued runway to mutate into more dangerous variants.

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