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December 02, 2011, 09:16:09 AM
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Goldcoins{A coin whose goal is to distribute out fast, have only 100K exist, and only mine off other transaction; thus preventing deflation. A currency whose remains mostly of trading. BTC and other alt currency devalues because of this problem, supply to demand ratio remains the same. Also coins will be lost over time; lost of wallets, etc. which will cause the existence to drop, thus causing valuation on goldcoins as time goes on}



   Alt-Currencies Value






   Goldcoin Supply-Demand ratio Value





Hence it got its name as Goldcoin

Goldcoins
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1) Set existing limit of 100K(Prevents Huge supplies and lowering of price if demand remains same)
2) Once fully distributed out, miners then mine off others transactions
3) Set block rate of 100
4) Difficulty adjustment of per 2 hours
5) Difficulty adjustments increase a maximum of 10% per 2 hours; and 80% drop is max
This above difficulty adjustments will help to spread it to the rest
6) Difficulty drops of 10% is maximum( Helps to not have few people get such large amounts, rather helps to distribute more evenly)  
7) Early miners will be setting the price, like 5K for 0.1btc could be a starting price; and then 10 different people
may buy 500 each, and those may spread 500 into another 10 people, etc. (This will help to spread it to everyone; and anyone can buy it,
so if mining stops, there is always some on the market to grab, and this will be a trading currency. Aimed at the goal of having no supply increases, but keeping 100K existing forever, and no more. Alt-currencies flaw is a continuing supply increase amount for years to come; resulting in inflation, and devaluation of currency. Goldcoin helps to spread in a quick time, and eliminate flaws.)

Natural trading through markets, will eventually spread it to the rest,
and a scarce amount of 100K, and a unique design, should make many
interested in this concept. No Centralization planed like solidcoin.
Meant to fully support the idea of it.

If someone truly spend the time this thing could be promoted.
And If a large amount of people lets say millions if achieved one day
wanted this, we could always deal with MGC, milliGoldcoins.
1 MGC= 0.0001 GC

Set up
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1) Make logos (Gold->Stable->Value)
2) Make Graphs pointing Bitcoin price crash to increasing supply
3) Promotion of client, logos, its own site. (Example: www.goldcoins.org)
4) Spread the word

I originally thought of this idea, you may use it at your wish if a donation on every client is placed towards the creator of this idea.


Second option;


Goldcoins
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1) Each downloading of the client starts you with 1000 Goldcoins (One Per IP address)
2) When 100K is fully distributed, it will become a trading currency
3) It will always only be a mining of transactions
4) Goldcoins over time will be lost, and this should cause a overtime of increase in value.


Third Option;

Goldcoins
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1) Set existing limit of 100K(Prevents Huge supplies and lowering of price if demand remains same)
2) I will distribute it out(Setting price)
3) I will be the fist spark, then Early traders will be setting the price, like 5K for 0.1btc could be a starting price; and then 10 different people
may buy 500 each, and those may spread 500 into another 10 people, etc. (This will help to spread it to everyone; and anyone can buy it,
there is always some on the market to grab, and this will be a trading currency. Aimed at the goal of having no supply increases, but keeping 100K existing forever, and no more. Alt-currencies flaw is a continuing supply increase amount for years to come; resulting in inflation, and devaluation of currency. Goldcoin helps to spread in a quick time, and eliminate flaws.)
4) Miners mine off transactions per trade

Natural trading through markets, will eventually spread it to the rest,
and a scarce amount of 100K, and a unique design, should make many
interested in this concept. No Centralization planed like solidcoin.
Meant to fully support the idea of it.

If someone truly spend the time this thing could be promoted.
And If a large amount of people lets say millions if achieved one day
wanted this, we could always deal with MGC, milliGoldcoins.
1 MGC= 0.0001 GC

Set up
----------
1) Make logos (Gold->Stable->Value)
2) Make Graphs pointing Bitcoin price crash to increasing supply
3) Promotion of client, logos, its own site. (Example: www.goldcoins.org)
4) Spread the word

I originally thought of this idea, you may use it at your wish if a donation on every client is placed towards the creator of this idea.



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December 02, 2011, 09:22:57 AM
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Instead of you getting a percentage how about have all 100k coins mined in the generation block. They're owned by you. An exchange is available immediately in some form whereby you place orders for those coins for whatever value you perceive them to have. They are therefore available by people willing to to buy them (with bitcoins, i0coind, or whatever). Your reward is this initial income, which is likely to start off low since no one is likely to want them until someone starts using them but could get bigger. It depends how much you ask for in the initial sales.

Mining is done as normal for transactions and miners get a transaction fee which they can set to whatever they want. A chance to experiment to see what will happen when bitcoin has all its coins mined.

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December 02, 2011, 09:27:01 AM
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That's a interesting idea. I could be the first spark of the plug. I first start with 100K, I put amounts up.
Spread it to others, and people that got mine distribute to others, etc.  And miners get the transaction fees traded between people.
Eventually it would be equally spread out, and this actually eliminates the supply increase, keeping GoldCoins their full value.



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December 02, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
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The above just got completely redesigned.

GoldCoin is meant to be a friendly trading currency. The idea of all of this, is meant to have a virtual currency, online that is decentralized. And more importantly one that retains its value.

Look at SolidCoin, sure it throws out 5 per block, but the coin will keep devaluing as long as its being pumped (Includes all other alt currencies). A set amount of GC will prevent devaluing and keeping GoldCoin's value. Hence it got it's name GoldCoin.



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December 02, 2011, 11:44:27 AM
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Have you read Satoshi's paper?  If you had you would understand how this is unworkable.

For a decentralized currency to work the network must be very large.  The large network has huge costs those costs must be eventually paid for w/ fees.  For example the current Bitcoin network is you assume an average electricity rate of $0.10 and 3 year ammortization of hardware costs in the ballpark of $10M a year to run.  Now those costs MUST be paid either through fees or though subsidies.  That is what a block reward is a subsidy.

So network costs $10M a year to run.
It could be paid for by:
 $0M in fees & $10M in subsidies.
 $2M in fees & $8M in subsidies.
 $10M in fees & $0M in subsidies.

Eventually Bitcoin will have no more subsidies and hopefully transaction volume will be high enough to support the network solely on fees.  Ultimately any network will reach equilibrium w/ fees & subsidies paid to miners.

With no subsidies then your network will need to be supported totally by fees.  So in the early days when transaction volume is say $100 USD equivelent per day if fee was 0.1% then all the miners globally would be working for 10 cents.  Yup the entire network would need to have an operating cost of 10 cents.  So likely your entire network is 1 CPU.  It can be double spent by a single attacker w/ 2 CPUs.  Now your miners could generate more revenue by setting very high fees like 30% but why would someone pay a 30% fee when Paypal "only" charges 5% and Bitcoin <0.1%?

The huge amount of hashing power required to protect a network from 51% attack has a REAL COST.  That cost must be paid for one way or another.  It either must be paid for in subsidies or fees.  Relying on fees creates a chicken & egg scenario.  To have a large network you need a lot of fees but you aren't going to get a lot of fees without a large network.  The block subsidies bridge that gap, removing them makes your proposal dead before it begins.

Before you start saying things like "Bitcoin has a fatal flaw" don't you think you owe Satoshi enough respect to actually read his paper from beginning to end.  He clearly outlines why block subsidies are necessary.
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With no subsidies then your network will need to be supported totally by fees.  So in the early days when transaction volume is say $100 USD equivelent per day if fee was 0.1% then all the miners globally would be working for 10 cents.  Yup the entire network would need to have an operating cost of 10 cents.  So likely your entire network is 1 CPU.  It can be double spent by a single attacker w/ 2 CPUs.  Now your miners could generate more revenue by setting very high fees like 30% but why would someone pay a 30% fee when Paypal "only" charges 5% and Bitcoin <0.1%?
Merge mining changes the cost equation somewhat though. Someone can mine bitcoin and this chain at no additional cost. If the chain creator can get a large miner or pool to merge mine it then there's less risk of a double spend attack. Before merge mining there was an opportunity cost in supporting these chain experiments. Not so much now. There's a flip side though. An attacker can mine a fork to double spend for free too since they can earn bitcoins at the same time.
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December 02, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
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"I will distribute it out (setting price)"

lol?  By distribution, you are in effect centralizing the currency.

But really, the security of the bitcoin network is due to the number of people mining...  I can't see any advantage to the system you describe, well, at all.  There is no output based on work, no large network backing, no logical distribution of the currency.  Why mine off transactions when I can get xxx coin from you for free?  Better yet, why would you ever give the majority of your coin away, or the people you gave it to give it away when you can hoard it?  The idea sounds like, "Why don't I just print my own bank notes and because the bank notes exist and they are scarce, they must be valuable".  The value of gold is mostly based around a decreasing rate of return for the amount of effort put into mining gold and the decreasing supply of gold.  I don't see how this makes a lot of sense, sorry.  I just don't see how it could ever get the kind of computing power required to be "secure" either.

The only way people would ever mine en masse is if you made the transaction fees enormous too, which is an obvious problem due to the fact that the item is intended to be used for trade.

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Why pay ten million bucks to secure a network on which you want to make payments smaller than Bitcoin's minimum/default transaction fee, for things only worth such small amounts?

An attacker who has 2 CPUs to your 1 could maybe make as much or more selling you routing of transactions or verifiable glimpses of a verifiable blockchain than trying to buy something off of you and double-spending.

In fact the entity with the two cores to your one core might even tend on average to be more likely to have stuff to sell to you than any interesting buying things from you.

(Not sure of that; one theory has it that the rich buy stuff from the poor since the rich have more to buy stuff with; another theory imagines they get rich by selling something or having ancestors who used to sell something; how does balance out in random samples of okay in this cafe count the processing power of each person in the cafe and compare it to which ones are vendors of something to the others and which are buyers of something from others? Does the owner of the venue often turn out to be the richest / most powerful? Or does that depend of whether clientele is upscale or downscale compared to the proprietor?)

Maybe trivially inexpensive coins might be great for tiny stuff where you for example buy a couple of minutes of wifi access for some almost-disposable-coin the vendor sells on some exchange/market as instantly as possible, almost throwing it away as worthless for some tiny fraction of a bitcoin, but will cash out in bitcoins some day if they ever have enough value in their bitcoin account at that exchange/market to bother paying bitcoin's minimum/default transaction fee or thereabouts to cash it out?

o some people might do a double-spend, losing me my tiny pay for some tiny number of minutes I gave them wifi access for. Big deal. Leaving the cafe with the cup I served them their coffee in would cost me orders of magnitude more...

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I encourage you to keep thinking of new ideas, but this idea is flawed.  It's similar to someone learning about stock splits & saying how about we have our stock split once every 2 months?  You need to learn how and why all the pieces fit together.  Keep trying.

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I really like the idea of "Delato-Coin", and someone should definitely try it, but you have not put this plan together very well. + You can't code.

Good luck getting one of the developers here to take time out of their already busy schedules to implement your poorly thought out plan.

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December 03, 2011, 08:43:48 PM
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I think it's inaccurate to attribute the drop in valvue of an alt currency like SC or LTC to additional mining. At the moment most drops or gains in a currency value are more determined by investors general feelings of the coins. Especially with LTC there are so few coins out there yet that mining fuels *interest* in the coin.


 
The above just got completely redesigned.

GoldCoin is meant to be a friendly trading currency. The idea of all of this, is meant to have a virtual currency, online that is decentralized. And more importantly one that retains its value.

Look at SolidCoin, sure it throws out 5 per block, but the coin will keep devaluing as long as its being pumped (Includes all other alt currencies). A set amount of GC will prevent devaluing and keeping GoldCoin's value. Hence it got it's name GoldCoin.

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1. I like the low number to start 100K as it will look impressive on the exchanges.  It may reach parity with bitcoin sooner.
2. I like the zero or 0 mining reward.  The deflation as coins are lost, will boost value.
3. I think you should put 100% of the coins on an exchange as part of the "code of ethics" and put a permanent sell order 100 goldcoin for 1 btc.  This will generate 1000 BTC that can be used for a permanent buy order to buy 1 btc for 100 goldcoins.
4. 25% of transaction fees are deleted, and 75% go to miners.  With a same or smaller fee than bitcoin.  Thus the fee might be 0.001. .00075 going to miners and .00025 deleted.
5. If you really trust the owner, gold could be bought with the coin, and you could demand payment of goldcoin for actual gold.

Since this is a better deal to owners of bitcoin, many would switch.

You could actual set the total coins to 21 million and offer a 1:1 exchange ratio.  1 goldcoin for 1 btc.  You could always exchange back.  However, if you offer an automatic an permanent exchange.  As coins are deleted, you could make it so you get more btc back.  So say you have 21 million to start and due to transactions you might get back 2 btc for every gc.  An exchange might be built into the client.  

To really tweak your brain.  Since 21 million would equal bitcoin, it could very well happen that goldcoin would own 21 million bitcoin or 100% of them.  They would offer better value to owners and businesses.  

This may also be a way out to an ever increasing block size.
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I really like the idea of "Delato-Coin", and someone should definitely try it, but you have not put this plan together very well. + You can't code.

Good luck getting one of the developers here to take time out of their already busy schedules to implement your poorly thought out plan.

The genius doublec already fixed ioc and ixc.  He also runs and designs exchanges.  He could do it.
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I really like the idea of "Delato-Coin", and someone should definitely try it, but you have not put this plan together very well. + You can't code.

Good luck getting one of the developers here to take time out of their already busy schedules to implement your poorly thought out plan.

The genius doublec already fixed ioc and ixc.  He also runs and designs exchanges.  He could do it.
Good luck getting doublec to create&support this for free.

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Good luck getting doublec to create&support this for free.

He would most likely have a monopoly on the exchange.  I did a rough calculation and came up with 700 BTC per year or 2 BTC per day are generated in transactions which is nothing.  Namecoin use to have a transaction that was deleted, that killed off 80,000 coins.  However to register a domain name is now less than 0.5 NMC.  However, users never really cared much about the fee.

So I was wondering the sales tax in California is about 9%.  You buy two tacos for $0.99 and the price is $1.09.  However, I think we could delete a lot of coins with a minimum 0.01 fee and a 5% tax, where 2% goes to miners and 3% is deleted.  This will give incentive for miners to promote transactions.  The best way for transactions is businesses.   Namecoin has about 2000 nmc transactions per hour.  That would generate 100 nmc sales tax.  60 to deleted and 40 to miners.  But, miners would be getting a deflating coin.  

Doing a quickcheck of bitcoin they do about 3000 coins per block.  A 5% tax would be 150 coins with 90 going to deflation and 60 to miners.  Thus miners would be getting about the same reward in a deflationary currency.  The deflation would be about 14000 a day.  Over a year you may be talking about 50% deflation.  Instead of the public union jerkoffs getting it we will.  Rising prices will create more interest which leads to more buzz which leads to up up up.      
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Two options now, me distributing them is on second.

The idea is to only create 100K; and to run out fast, and not come in for years.
This is planed to run out in like 1 month; thus keeping its value.
Hence that's why its got its name Goldcoin.

Mining will still work, it will occur off transaction. And this currency won't devalue as much.
Everyday BTC get mined, and the demand to supply ratio remains same without demand going up;
thus resulting in lower prices.

10% more BTC = 10% less value, which is occurring atm.

I plan to stop deflation, and that's my goal here.




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The only way this would even be a viable experiment would be if someone was willing to back it with another currency. For example, guarantee they would always buy 1 GC for 1 USD. Otherwise, it's just another scamcoin.

And even if someone does want to try the backed-cryptocurrency concept, please don't inherit the design flaws of Bitcoin.

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The idea master of this is me. If someone wishes to build upon this and actually wants to promote this; you may use it if i receive a donation tab, on all clients, exchanges, and a 0.1% fee per block towards the idea master. (This is way less then Solidcoin 5% fees){0.001% fee is upon transactions once all 100K is given out}
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Merge mining changes the cost equation somewhat though. Someone can mine bitcoin and this chain at no additional cost. If the chain creator can get a large miner or pool to merge mine it then there's less risk of a double spend attack. Before merge mining there was an opportunity cost in supporting these chain experiments. Not so much now. There's a flip side though. An attacker can mine a fork to double spend for free too since they can earn bitcoins at the same time.
There's presumably a cost to pools in both setting up merged mining in the first place and adding a new chain though. They have to mess with their pool setup and risk breaking mining for coins that are actually making them and their miners money.

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@lightlord
At first thank you for your interesting idea.
But in my opinion Bitcoin can´t be an alternative to physical gold. If you want to hold / parking your money for years then could be gold the better more solid way. In this case https://www.casascius.com/ could be interesting.

Then I don´t understand why goldcoin would prevent deflation?
I think it would increase the deflation compared with Bitcoin system because the devalueing in combination with the difficulty work against deflation.
Now Bitcoin is in a very young state with a volatile but steady increasing demand and then the goldcoinprice would be blowing up and there would be no system which works against the trend and stabilize the price.

A further disadvantage is that in the first year all 100k goldcoins would be mined and then the early adopters could be make the price ;-)
The steady increasing amount of Bitcoin will decrease this force of early adopters.

Look at btc-e.com

Do we really need more alternative Bitcoins?
The prices are very low and volatile compared to Bitcoin.
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