Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again?

[Phanditha Echevarria]

Check these news about Afghan below.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/afghan-government-seeks-to-hold-capital-kabul-as-taleban-takes-jalalabad
http://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1708211294606631855&wfr=spider&for=pc
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trey-gowdy-have-we-kept-word-to-afghan-people
Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again? How do you think of it?

[cabron]

Nope. All I think was planned as to why would the US go abandoned the area in the first place. It was because they know they are on the losing side anymore and the Taliban as we know will become legitimate in the end. By the time it's going to be a real political party that rules the country, the Chinese deal will be finalized too.

Look how fast they have conquered the regions that weren't previously ruled by Taliban. The Afghans will just think they have finally pushed out their enemy.

[PrimeNumber7]

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

[Gases]

Check these news about Afghan below.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/afghan-government-seeks-to-hold-capital-kabul-as-taleban-takes-jalalabad
http://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1708211294606631855&wfr=spider&for=pc
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trey-gowdy-have-we-kept-word-to-afghan-people
Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again? How do you think of it?

In the short term, the war is chaotic, and in the long term, it is impossible for the Taliban to gain state control.

[tvbcof]

At first glance, this looks like a re-run of how sec-state Clinton built ISIS.  The various military partners kept 'losing' equipment day after day until ISIS were all decked out in new U.S. military uniforms and driving brand new humvees.

Reminds me a lot of Kirkuk in 2014:  https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2014/0623/In-looted-Kirkuk-armory-hints-of-the-Iraqi-crisis-endgame

[Mauser]

No i don't think so. The war is over after 20 years now, USA and all other Nato members left Afghanistan. Yesterday Kabul was transfered peacefully to the Taliban and the president fled the country. Taliban are back in power. Also for the Taliban this like Christmas now, they got all the trucks, guns and other equipment from the Afghan Army and the American tax payer. They even captured drones and planes. 20 years of training for the army and it collapsed in 2 weeks.

[Tash]

No, because all three are selected Stooges


A Taliban spokesman still has an active Twitter account, despite the platform’s suspension of former President Donald Trump for “hateful” and “violent” content.
Twitter account @Zabehulah_M33

21 years in enough
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427131838548619265

Peace deal signed
https://youtu.be/X3UJLeHGDQc

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Seal the borders for a year or more to let the Afghani's settle things for themselves. It is their country and their problem. Then as long as the victors do not threaten their neighbors or rest of the world (or give sanctuary to others who do), start negotiating with them regarding world trade.

[Cnut237]

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

Seems the likely outcome, yes. I appreciate Biden has nearly half a century of experience, but has he really thought this through? It could quite easily become the defining action of his presidency.

Yes, the cost of the war was astronomical, and yes a few thousand US troops died... but just abandoning a country to its fate when you decide you've had enough is not a great decision either tactically or ethically. This could become a disaster, with a sizable proportion of the population running for the border while they still can. And who will get the blame if al Qaida rise again? All fingers will point in one direction.

[suchmoon]

Yes, the cost of the war was astronomical, and yes a few thousand US troops died... but just abandoning a country to its fate when you decide you've had enough is not a great decision either tactically or ethically. This could become a disaster, with a sizable proportion of the population running for the border while they still can. And who will get the blame if al Qaida rise again? All fingers will point in one direction.

They weren't able to "fix" it in 20 years. It should be obvious by now that more soldiers and more money isn't gonna do anything positive, just increase the resentment towards occupying forces. I bet there are numerous countries in the world who would happily take the billions of dollars and put them to much better use than drones and bombs.

[Cnut237]

Yes, the cost of the war was astronomical, and yes a few thousand US troops died... but just abandoning a country to its fate when you decide you've had enough is not a great decision either tactically or ethically. This could become a disaster, with a sizable proportion of the population running for the border while they still can. And who will get the blame if al Qaida rise again? All fingers will point in one direction.

They weren't able to "fix" it in 20 years. It should be obvious by now that more soldiers and more money isn't gonna do anything positive, just increase the resentment towards occupying forces. I bet there are numerous countries in the world who would happily take the billions of dollars and put them to much better use than drones and bombs.

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing. They needed to get out, and the exit was always going to be messy... it's just that it didn't have to be quite this bad. They should never have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, but once you're in, and when you've been there for twenty years, you have a duty to the people of the country to make the exit as painless as possible... which is not what's happening. Some of the video footage is horrific.

Desperate Afghans clung to the side of a moving US military plane leaving Kabul airport on Monday, with at least three people apparently falling to their deaths from the undercarriage immediately after takeoff.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/16/kabul-airport-chaos-and-panic-as-afghans-and-foreigners-attempt-to-flee-the-capital

[suchmoon]

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing. They needed to get out, and the exit was always going to be messy... it's just that it didn't have to be quite this bad. They should never have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, but once you're in, and when you've been there for twenty years, you have a duty to the people of the country to make the exit as painless as possible... which is not what's happening. Some of the video footage is horrific.

Well, I guess they thought they did it properly, trained the military, etc. Except... when you're in a country for 20 years and don't leave your compounds and humvees and talk to locals via interpreters, you can't possibly have a clue as to what's really going on, can you? Taliban didn't appear out of nowhere to take over the whole country. It was always there, pushed a little bit away from major cities.

As for leaving painlessly... we should have offered asylum to everyone who wants it. But that would never fly (no pun intended) in any Western country, or any country really. No one wants millions of Afghanis. We want to be outraged about our foreign fuckups from a safe distance.

[Lobson]

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

Very apt. There was no motivation or willingness to fight on the side of the Afghan army.

[Lobson]

The images from the airport at Kabul is quite disturbing, people were literally falling off a plane that just took off. Is it that bad or are people trying to take advantage of the situation and move to the Western world? I hope order is restored sooner than later

[OgNasty]

The images from the airport at Kabul is quite disturbing, people were literally falling off a plane that just took off. Is it that bad or are people trying to take advantage of the situation and move to the Western world? I hope order is restored sooner than later

Ya, that video is insane. Did those people think they’d be able to hold onto the side of a plane and fly to America? They were willing to die trying something so insane as opposed to living their lives. This shows just how much we got their citizens to rely on us, only to have a president leave them alone and in danger. 20 years wasted in 4 days. This is what weak leadership leads to.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

They were willing to die trying something so insane as opposed to living their lives.

Or heavens forbid, they fight against the Taliban. If one is certain to die it would far better that it be by defending your country vs attempting a zero-chance of survival from fleeing it like that.

[Gyfts]

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

Seems the likely outcome, yes. I appreciate Biden has nearly half a century of experience, but has he really thought this through? It could quite easily become the defining action of his presidency.

Yes, the cost of the war was astronomical, and yes a few thousand US troops died... but just abandoning a country to its fate when you decide you've had enough is not a great decision either tactically or ethically. This could become a disaster, with a sizable proportion of the population running for the border while they still can. And who will get the blame if al Qaida rise again? All fingers will point in one direction.

His experience is sitting in the senate and doing nothing. Biden's call to fame is being Obama's VP which is great and all, just results in some shitty foreign policy.

Maybe even Hillary Clinton would have done a better job, and that is saying a lot. There hasn't been many US solider casualties in the last 1.5 years in Afghanistan, so you're only footing the bill for the financial cost of war.

Keep in mind, the Biden administration new the Taliban would take back over, just not at the rate they did. So the world new this was coming.

[Pbacala]

Watching al jazeera news every hour. What is happening there is worse than the lost of Saigon for US. this is a dissaster and everything that is happening there is only US instabilities and interests of the rich.

a rich culture country like afghanistan was destroyed in the last 50 years by the soviets and by the americans the same way. nothing came out good from ww2 in the middle east. hopefully israel uae and iran or even will take a common stand against talibans and do something out of this situation.

i don't mind talibans in power but women need to have right, i don't care about democracy, but not totalitarism.

[yhiaali3]

I don't think Afghanistan can enter into another long war, according to the BBC website "88.3 billion dollars was spent" but the Afghan army of about 300k soldiers and equipped with good weapons and equipment collapsed in two weeks in front of the Taliban forces of only about 80k. Certainly, the reason is the corruption of the army and its leaders in the face of the insistence and ideology of the Taliban.
America, led by President Biden, is no longer interested in staying any longer in the country, which has cost it a lot of money and soldiers. The Taliban is very popular in Afghanistan, despite its militancy, but it is clear that the American presence is not desirable there, and the population is waiting for the first opportunity to expel the Americans and their local agents from there.
Whoever reads the lessons of history finds that the occupation of a country of any kind cannot last forever, it must end one day and the leadership return to the local population. Leaders supported by the occupation are totally undesirable for the local population.

[PrimeNumber7]

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

Seems the likely outcome, yes. I appreciate Biden has nearly half a century of experience, but has he really thought this through? It could quite easily become the defining action of his presidency.

It appears that Biden made the decision to abandon Afghanistan on his own. I have heard that Biden's advisors advised against the complete withdrawal of Afghanistan.

Yes, the cost of the war was astronomical, and yes a few thousand US troops died... but just abandoning a country to its fate when you decide you've had enough is not a great decision either tactically or ethically. This could become a disaster, with a sizable proportion of the population running for the border while they still can. And who will get the blame if al Qaida rise again? All fingers will point in one direction.

This is a disaster. The cost to get to where we were in the War was high, but we were at a point at which the cost to continue the war was low. We only had a few thousand troops in Afghanistan, most were not seeing actual combat, but were rather providing training and support to the Afghanistan military, and it had been about 18 months since the last US causality.

They weren't able to "fix" it in 20 years. It should be obvious by now that more soldiers and more money isn't gonna do anything positive, just increase the resentment towards occupying forces. I bet there are numerous countries in the world who would happily take the billions of dollars and put them to much better use than drones and bombs.

There are reports of the Taliban going door-to-door looking for people who worked with the Americans, and of schools being burned down. Afghanistan is going to be a safe haven for terrorist groups.

We were not an occupying force, we were there upon the invitation of the democratically elected government.

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

Very apt. There was no motivation or willingness to fight on the side of the Afghan army.

Part of the issue was that the Afghan military relied on American air support, which was also withdrawn. The Afghan air force was unable to maintain their planes because US contractors were unable to help from Afghanistan.

The images from the airport at Kabul is quite disturbing, people were literally falling off a plane that just took off. Is it that bad or are people trying to take advantage of the situation and move to the Western world? I hope order is restored sooner than later

The Taliban are not nice people. They will likely kill those who helped Americans.