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August 16, 2021, 12:46:49 PM
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Bitcoin prices are always rising on the basis of supply and demand. Bitcoin's decentralization feature, its security system, and its limited supply have led to a steady increase in its users.
By every Bitcoin halving event, miner rewards are reduced and the new bitcoin production is also declined. It is natural that the price will gradually increase as the supply is less than the demand.

Though the price is growing naturally, but some good reasons which help price boosting:

The first step was to break $14,000 resistances,
Bitcoin's resistance was $14,000 during 2019-20, several attempts were made to break this resistance throughout the year,
but it was finally able to break in December 2020. This was the first step in raising the price of Bitcoin. as a result of which a
large number of investors began to join the group, the initial target of all was the previous ATH $20K.

The inflation rate is another reason for growing the price,
According to BGFRS, Inflation rate of the U.S. dollar is growing continuously. The purchasing power of the dollar is declining
at a significant rate every year. People were desperate to store their money in a safe haven. that's why many investors choose
bitcoin as a safe haven asset.

Adoption of Bitcoin,
From the end of 2020, Bitcoin adoption has been growing larger. significant numbers of online platforms adopted bitcoin as a
payment method. Due to its high price and the fact that many investors and celebrities are publicly involved with it, various
online and offline shops accept Bitcoin as a payment method. As a result, giant money transfer companies and online payment
gateway PayPal adopted Bitcoin.

Institutional Investment,
Bitcoin has received a huge response at the institutional level after mid-January, 2021. MicroStrategy, Square inc, Grayscale-
Bitcoin Trust, Tesla Inc. different big companies like this started converting their cash into bitcoin. Institutional level Bitcoin's
accessibility was a milestone. It helped a lot to grow the total market capitalization.

Bitcoin Production cost,
As the popularity of Bitcoin grows, so does the number of miners. and as the mining difficulty increases, so does the production cost
of Bitcoin. As a result, even at the institutional level, bitcoin had to be bought from miners at a high price.

Online trader & Crypto exchange,
The role of online traders and exchanges was not less. Crypto exchanges and online traders have a wide range of social activities
and social conferences for bitcoin adoption. As a result of the well-crafted speculation of traders and their promotion, many investors
are associated with Bitcoin from the stock market.


Everything was going smoothly, so what was the reason for the sudden dump to $29k from $64k?
A sudden dump just happened because of Elon Musk said mining bitcoin is not eco-friendly? or it just happened cause china banned bitcoin?

If the dump happened for these reasons, then why the market is pumping now, and growing smoothly again?  As far as I know, none of them withdrew their statements!

Doesn't the current market strategy prove that bitcoin does not care about these influences?
The fall of the market was only due to the unpleasant condition of the miners. and the market has become smoother again as miners are relocating their firms?


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August 16, 2021, 01:11:40 PM
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Doesn't the current market strategy prove that bitcoin does not care about these influences?
The fall of the market was only due to the unpleasant condition of the miners. and the market has become smoother again as miners are relocating their firms?
I would not dismiss them completely. They do influence people, how many is the question. It is also safer for traders to follow the sentiment of the market, which is why if there is a huge pump or dump, they'll likely follow it. It's not like we can just ignore when BTC gets a heavy correction, and there's no guarantee for future performance either.

This is where long-term and short-term trader/investor differs imo. A long-term investor believes in the value of Bitcoin, while short-term investors are just here for short-term profits. They will exit the market, while long-term believers will see this as an opportunity to buy. As long as you manage your risk properly, it should be fine.
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August 16, 2021, 01:28:56 PM
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Those actions had their influence on BTC. But market is pretty hard to understand. And i think that whales have big influence on BTC too. They can drop it's price to buy even more later. And also they can help to pump the price to sell it high while they can.
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August 16, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
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I guess what elon said, or what Chinda did surely made an impact for bitcoin, even for a bit. For those who don't really understand bitcoin, and only buying it because of those crypto influencer, they will follow what elon musk said and sold their bitcoin, thinking that when elon said something bad, the price will fall again and they will lose their money. Thus, since we can't deny that there are quite many people getting into this cryptocurrency world because of the influencers, of course if they all sold their bitcoin at the same time, the price will fall. Some people might get affected with China banning bitcoin as well. But, there are people who take this as opportunity as well, when the price decreases or when it's low, people believing in bitcoin will take the chance to buy btc when it's cheap and add up their investment, as long as the demand is still there, the price will still go up. Especially when the price is low, many people want to buy bitcoin, so in the end it will go up again.

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August 16, 2021, 02:15:11 PM
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Doesn't the current market strategy prove that bitcoin does not care about these influences?
The fall of the market was only due to the unpleasant condition of the miners. and the market has become smoother again as miners are relocating their firms?



Not because bitcoin disagree with the idea of a famous influencer, even though it has a very large amount of money, which does not mean that the market does not care about it. We can compare the price of a currency or asset to a ship traveling across the vast ocean. The more it became massive the more it will become more harder to manuever. So let's expect that every turn of it will not take effect immediately unless everyone really agrees about it.
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August 16, 2021, 02:35:51 PM
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There will always be people who will panic sell BTC when some big man talks shit about that. And also the China's crush was huge because a lot of miners wasn't be able to mine again when China mined most of the BTC. So it's not surprising it went down. But a lot of these miners went somewhere else and so BTC's price looks better now.
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August 16, 2021, 02:54:27 PM
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It's not that everyday Bitcoin price rises because what we saw is the result of the demand and supply moving. Plus the unpredictable price movement of Bitcoin due to lots of factors that causes it to move up and down. Also Bitcoin halving that occur every four years is the cause of why Bitcoin continue to increase unexpectedly.

Who would have thought that from the last ATH in 2017, we are seeing the price to go triple this year?
And if some guys out there expecting Bitcoin to dump straight to the bottom like the tulip mania it will need a lot of effort from all of the people who are holding Bitcoin to stop trading or let's just say we are in the world crisis as the worst case scenario like a WW3.

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August 16, 2021, 02:55:00 PM
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I do think that it was not Elon Musk that did cause the sudden dump but rather it was a cumulative effect of a lot of things working together. There were governmental factors involved too and at the same time Chinese government created a lot of probelms for the miners. Social media did play a significant role but at the same time it cannot be the reason why we saw such a change, Maybe it was just price correction, manipulation and someone did sell off a lot of Bitcoins at once because they did make huge amount of profits, but let's look at that again *if the price fell, it did give us a chance to buy at the new low! Which is pretty great for most people* so I do think it was not a bad thing but rather it's an opportunity.

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August 16, 2021, 03:19:58 PM
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Short bitcoin and you can practice how to force it to go down.

I am kidding because the good advice is "Short the bankers, Long Bitcoin". True Bitcoiners and Bitcoin Maximalist will tell you to Long Bitcoin.

Short Bitcoin is risky if you short in bull run because with Short squeeze, you will lose your money.

Pompliano's article Is A Short Squeeze Upon Us?

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August 16, 2021, 03:48:22 PM
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There will always be people who will panic sell BTC when some big man talks shit about that. And also the China's crush was huge because a lot of miners wasn't be able to mine again when China mined most of the BTC. So it's not surprising it went down. But a lot of these miners went somewhere else and so BTC's price looks better now.
Whether the government fight against Bitcoin in order to reduce it impacts on traders and investors, Bitcoin will still attain the height that is required. I know that people's restrictions from using Bitcoin had really affected it price due to ban in countries like UK, China, Korea etc. reducing the input resources that would have pumped the price of Bitcoin increasing the market cap.

The market has started another bull run which we all had anticipated since it fall of Bitcoin. With the way I'm seeing the market, Bitcoin might reach $100k befall another dip. Although it's difficult to understand the market but their need to know how price moves in the market for proper risk taking.


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August 16, 2021, 04:15:24 PM
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Those actions had their influence on BTC. But market is pretty hard to understand. And i think that whales have big influence on BTC too. They can drop it's price to buy even more later. And also they can help to pump the price to sell it high while they can.

I highly agree with your point.

What drives the price of BTC on the market is primarily the demand and supply of it and the price which people are willing to purchase it from. Obviously, when institutions sell majority of their BTCs, most likely is that price may increase. In addition, due to its inflationary nature, BTCs price will continue to increase as time passes by, but it is relatively complex and difficult to predict the market accurately.

One thing is for sure- after its next halving (maybe 3-4 years from now), the price of BTC would definitely increase again.

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August 16, 2021, 05:09:31 PM
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Doesn't the current market strategy prove that bitcoin does not care about these influences?
The fall of the market was only due to the unpleasant condition of the miners. and the market has become smoother again as miners are relocating their firms?

We are nearly there but yes, we are not yet immune from such influences. People like Elon Musk definitely has a great influence on the crypto market because he is also a supporter of crypto. He talks about this technology quite often and I have seen both praises and criticisms. So we are not immune yet, unfortunately!

Chinese Miners were another issue! Ideally if miners go out of mining, the price should increase because the supply is decreasing. That didn't happen recently. So we should not count Chinese miners for this recent drop in the market. At least it is not the only reason but may have cumulative effect.

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No one can really force it, only influence. Government regulation cannot be considered as a reason for forcing bitcoin price down even though it has the greatest effect on the price. For countries that are against bitcoin, the bitcoin entity itself is a threat regardless of its price.

Prices move naturally because people still have concerns about the unpredictable.

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August 16, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
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Everything was going smoothly, so what was the reason for the sudden dump to $29k from $64k?
A sudden dump just happened because of Elon Musk said mining bitcoin is not eco-friendly? or it just happened cause china banned bitcoin?

If the dump happened for these reasons, then why the market is pumping now, and growing smoothly again?  As far as I know, none of them withdrew their statements!

Those things were a trigger for the price dump but not the cause. The cause was the lack of interest in buying Bitcoin. The bull run started on the hype of institutional adoption, but then all the news about another big company buying Bitcoin just stopped, and retail investors alone couldn't sustain the bullish momentum. So when the FUD started coming, traders started taking profits, because it's a safe thing to do.

Now the price failed to dive under $30k which is viewed as a sign that the market is still bullish, and earlier buyers are not selling yet because they want to see how far this can pump. If momentum will get lost again, the price will dump very quickly.

It's all just pure speculation of how far it will go before reaching top and crashing.

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August 16, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
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Everything was going smoothly, so what was the reason for the sudden dump to $29k from $64k?
A sudden dump just happened because of Elon Musk said mining bitcoin is not eco-friendly? or it just happened cause china banned bitcoin?

people dont realise that there is a difference between value and price

imagine that in spring 2021 the VALUE was in the range of $21k-$32k  
and above that was just emotional speculative pump bubble excess
meaning for spring 2021:
value $26k average
price $64k ATL


so the $64k was never meant to be a stable sustainable price. it was always an over inflated price of value by atleast a 2x factor
and yes when emotion broke. the bubble burst and the price corrected back down to a more reasonable value level

the reason it didnt break down to $10k..(2020 numbers) is because VALUE increased since 2020

now that more people have sold their cheaper(under $20k in 2020) coins for the $30k+ level in 2021. there are more people with minimum acquisition value of $30k+ and less people with minimums below this
this creates more of a support at the $30k+ level.

and now as hashrate is rising the mining cost is also rising. which too means less people achieving coin below $30k.

this current $47k is a slight inflated bubble. but not as bad as the $64k
for $47k to lock in as good support would need hashrate to be 50% more than now. and for enough utxo to have been spend/exchange hands at this level to provide the new holders of the utxos' to deem their minimum as $47k

so this will take time.
but dont presume this $47k is already some fixed sustainable value. its not. its just a higher price than last month but not as bad inflation as spring 2021

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August 16, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
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Decentralization was the promise of bitcoin but since everything is being jerked around as a form of speculation makes bitcoin more reflected by the influence of money flow and price manipulation.  Now, This is happening right now in the market, they try to put pressure on the price of bitcoin continuously.  Damn
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August 16, 2021, 11:16:34 PM
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Doesn't the current market strategy prove that bitcoin does not care about these influences?
The fall of the market was only due to the unpleasant condition of the miners. and the market has become smoother again as miners are relocating their firms?

I think the term here is resiliency. Bitcoin has been resilient from this FUD, attacks, negative comments by some big hot shot wall street, billionaires and the usual perma-bears.

Nevertheless, the price will obviously affected, but short term only. And once everything has settled down, bitcoin will bounce back and achieved even higher gains or even new all time highs. The problem is that there are many who really panics with this negative news and started to sell pulling the price even further.

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August 16, 2021, 11:25:58 PM
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No one can really force it, only influence. Government regulation cannot be considered as a reason for forcing bitcoin price down even though it has the greatest effect on the price. For countries that are against bitcoin, the bitcoin entity itself is a threat regardless of its price.

Prices move naturally because people still have concerns about the unpredictable.
For regulation news and fuds then it could give out neither some dumping situation or wont  really make any changes at all.The market might  be highly reactive to  fundamentals  but it isnt an assured thing to  happen.

It cant be forced unless if whales or big institutions would able to do so or if  there would be  some mass selling  then the probability is there.There's only 2 ways of movement neither  going up or down.

Thing here is that you do know on how play to with the market despite of its unpredictable behavior or movement.You should ride with the waves.

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August 17, 2021, 07:53:46 AM
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Whales must be profitable from the price of Bitcoin, and we cannot stop their operations.
But there will be others who will invest in Bitcoin and profit from the price of Bitcoin. This statement is unrealistic.
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August 17, 2021, 05:29:03 PM
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Everything was going smoothly, so what was the reason for the sudden dump to $29k from $64k?
A sudden dump just happened because of Elon Musk said mining bitcoin is not eco-friendly? or it just happened cause china banned bitcoin?
Yeah, all those things do affect the market sometimes, although the problem I do have with some of those is that whenever the price goes down slightly, people are always looking for one thing or the other that they are going to blame for it as if the market was never meant to go down at some point. This is market, and one features of a market is that the prices of assets will always go up and down, and since Bitcoin is a volatile asset it’s going to be doing that a lot of times.

So, people acting like it is not something that was meant to happen really pisses me off, they act like it should only be increasing only, when they know that it should go both ways. There is time for everything.

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