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I was reading this thread and made a post in it recently in which I voiced my suspicion that there might be one or two accounts that might be alts (posting in the same thread and two that were in the same bounty). I took a look into the merit histories of the accounts involved and found several more that I think might be connected based on several factors (including merit being sent between the accounts), but I'm not comfortable making accusations without evidence and I'm requesting one of the statistical wizards here help me out by perhaps creating a merit flow chart or diagram or something for the following accounts. I've listed the names and registration dates. I'd also appreciate the community's opinion on this, good, bad, or indifferent. There's nothing wrong with having alt accounts IMO, but when they start posting in the same threads or abuse bounties like I suspect is being done with at least a couple of accounts that I referenced in the above thread, then it starts to become a problem. In addition, I don't care for account farmers one bit, since that can lead to account and/or merit sales. I fully realize that nothing I've written here thus far proves anything, but I'd like to get some feedback as to whether I'm on the trail of something or not.
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August 21, 2021, 12:04:48 PM |
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I've been taking a look at the list of users you indicated, and one thing I found interesting is the last activity each of them had. It's really weird, they all have a very short time each other on the forum. All of them were active, with intervals of 5~10 minutes apart. Is it just coincidence? What is the probability that users of this list will all enter the forum with such short intervals of time? Note the information I collected: . . . .
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August 21, 2021, 01:27:24 PM |
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I can agree with you that we can very likely be talking about an alt farm here. As you noticed in the linked thread, the names are very similar in structure (consisting of two parts), and it is also indicative of the registration time, as well as what @joker_josue noticed about when profiles appear online.
As far as I can see only two accounts have signatures so far, but I haven't checked how many of them are participating in the bounty campaigns. I believe that forum forensics will find some specific links (if any), and if they are really alt accounts, with this number there is always a good chance that they made a mistake.
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August 21, 2021, 02:03:43 PM |
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we can very likely be talking about an alt farm here.
That's what I'm concerned about, especially since a lot of the accounts are earning merits at a fairly high rate--which most would probably agree is unusual for newbies in general, and very odd that a group of newbies with similar username structure and registration dates would all achieving the same feat. I believe that forum forensics will find some specific links (if any), and if they are really alt accounts, with this number there is always a good chance that they made a mistake.
I'm not sure who you mean by "they" in the last line there, but mistakes could be made in any of this analysis, including my own. That's why I don't want to come out and accuse anybody of being an alt of someone else or of being part of an account farm. But my suspicions are roused to an extent that I just couldn't ignore this--but I don't have the cerebral horsepower to create a merit flowchart or something similar like I've seen members like DdmrDdmr, LoyceV, nutildah, and others do.
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I think it's a new trick done by a group of beginners, they want to collect (merit) first, then play it in the campaign, because some of them have had problems from the start here and I see that there are several Alt accounts that are connected to the accounts above. Eg: @John Jefferson and @Mikayla Buckley linked.At a glance i see: @ John Jefferson, using the same Telegram, facebook, twitter as the Alt account below and also the same thing happened to @Mikayla Buckley. Telegram and Facebook are used by: @John Jefferson also used by: @and1514. 1. and1514Proof:https://archive.vn/wip/fBzeShttps://archive.vn/wip/yGcvI
Second telegram used by:@John Jefferson and @Mikayla Buckley, also used by other Alt accounts below.2. Mikayla Buckley3. ss siyam54. khoroch pro5. Ampela6. CilukbakekokProof:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5336827.msg57042321#msg57042321https://archive.vn/wip/RKPMyTelegram Username: @siyam5 TRX Wallet Address: TBw1mNBqgbQtExH8vLGpfYoXM1E42mkvBu
https://archive.vn/wip/WX8P1https://archive.vn/wip/FF6wdhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5337850.msg57022675#msg57022675BTT Username: khoroch pro Telegram Username: @siyam5 Smart Chain (BSC) Wallet Address: 0xfaea7c458B189eEFD2E53810e1a4DeE22004b820
https://archive.vn/wip/pqJc6https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5301114.msg55860673#msg55860673Forum Username: Ampela Telegram Username: @siyam5 ERC20 Wallet Address: 0x6d6e13ef1cfc5814f888ed14e96c31ecd880e750
https://archive.vn/wip/78GTiForum Username: Cilukbakekok Telegram Username: @Siyam5 ETH Wallet Address: 0x7b88057acbb1cd5b4cc11114425a4cad1d35c186
https://archive.vn/wip/cjkV4This is the only evidence for now that I can see.
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August 21, 2021, 05:51:32 PM |
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Not very good at researching either but those usernames look like some quick names created by random name generator or something.
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August 22, 2021, 01:07:56 AM Last edit: May 15, 2023, 01:16:01 PM by Timelord2067 |
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I would say three are farmed: Luke JacksonRyder KudrowDax RobinsonAll three woke up on the same day and previously, all three became inactive within a ~36 hour period.
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August 22, 2021, 02:36:07 AM Last edit: August 22, 2021, 02:59:14 AM by Jawhead999 |
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ArchivedArchived按照现在市场价格年末能到5万
ArchivedI don't care what you say, I live in China and I don't envy any other country.
ArchivedArchivedWe can conclude 5 users above are from China because 3 of them using Chinese language, @The Ghoul claim live in China and @Aliceooo78 attach images with Chinese language, the images he used is from China article which is using full Chinese language means he should a Chinese citizen too. It's interesting only @Liamttw post a POA and included on the spreadsheet [1] While @Aliceooo78 and @StanleyBoyle didn't even post a POA but wears the signature [2] does it mean he's wear signature on wrong alts or free advertise? Not all users, but most of users above have similar posting style... he went from off topic section, then jump to Bitcoin or Economy section, often talking about China related thread and using ['list'] option on their post, but yeah I don't have any strong proof to claim all of them are alt. I would like to hear 5 above users opinion about this case.
[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G9TKkuKwDijMGlMXIAIaGKmwOyCdFP3xvTXSCOncpQ/edit[2] https://loyce.club/archive/topics/535/5353529.html[/list]
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? For me it doesn't matter which country they come from, the reason is very simple (google can translate all languages including china and hong kong).From a google search the image displayed by @Aliceooo78, you can get it, besides the money he posted is not Chinese money, it's Hong Kong dollars. An example i got on google. I think they are a group of newbies who use a new trick to collect (Merit) between Alts, to reach a certain rank. I often see Alt accounts that post in several locales, different languages, I think the goal is to remove traces in terms of language, but there is one thing they can't hide, (secret).
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I'm not sure who you mean by "they" in the last line there, but mistakes could be made in any of this analysis, including my own.
I was thinking of the owner of all those accounts, but I expressed myself in the plural - and as you can see the owner of some accounts made an initial mistake and used the same social networks on multiple accounts. Fortunately, the tactics used by those who want to make alt farms can often be easily discovered, but there are probably those who hide it much smarter. I never doubted that after the implementation of merits, those who want an abuse forum will come up with various ideas, but fortunately there are always those who discover such things, sooner or later.
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Not very good at researching either but those usernames look like some quick names created by random name generator or something.
Man, it wouldn't even take that much effort as long as you're familiar with English/American names. I could probably create 100 usernames like those as fast as I could write. By the way, the only reason I included Aliceooo75 and Liamttw is because of merit linkage, not because they have similar usernames. And again, I'm not sure they or any of these members are alts--but I'm pretty sure that some of them are. I think they are a group of newbies who use a new trick to collect (Merit) between Alts, to reach a certain rank.
My thought as well, but I'm looking for someone to help link accounts like you did. I think there are more alts in my list than the two you discovered. All three woke up on the same day and previously, all three became inactive within a ~36 hour period.
I tend to agree with you on that one, though it isn't definitive proof. As for me, I'm going to withhold merits from all of these members unless or until this issue is solved, because my suspicions are too great for me to be an unwitting participant in any merit-distribution scheme among alt accounts. I've already merited some of them, and now I regret that.
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I think it is not rigorous to judge whether they are the same person's alternative account only by the time of registration. For example, how can we prove that this person belongs to Satoshi Nakamoto?Only after Satoshi Nakamoto uses his own digital signature verification, we can be sure. However, these accounts registered on the same day can be called "suspect crime suspect"suspect crime suspect A Date Registered:11/28/2020 suspect alt account:HaleyOccam,StanleyBoyle,KevinRosa suspect crime suspect B Date Registered:12/23/2020 suspect alt account:Alex Peters,Luke Jackson,Luke Briggs,Ryder Kudrow,Dax Robinson suspect crime suspect C Date Registered:1/31/2021 suspect alt account:JillianTaf,EvieLannister,Jazmin Leslie,Lily Garver suspect crime suspect D Date Registered:2/24/2021 suspect alt account:John Jefferson,Connor Britton,Mikayla Buckley
At the same time, before these suspect crime suspecs do evil, we should not be biased against them because of suspicion, because so far they seem to have not broken the rules of the forum. I counted their participation in bounty and autographs
Except for accounts that clearly use the same Telegram name or address, other accounts do not seem to have "strong connections" Although I call them "suspect crime suspects", we can follow their movements at any time.I think these accounts often post posts, and some of them do not seem to be spam. They do this for only one purpose: to get enough merit and then participate in signature activities or bounty.So we can check their accounts frequently in the future. Once they reveal flaws, we can report them or give them a negative trust value.
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Looking at the UID's that @Ratimov added, we can see the following have shared information between the list @The Pharmacist and @Ratimov provided.
Times are GMT +10 - Information gleaned via bpip.orgTim-BTC - 7/6/2021 12:02:50 PM Profile woke up New post Tim-BTC - 3/9/2021 2:26:04 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
defi-Dany - 7/15/2021 9:24:32 AM Profile woke up New post defi-Dany - 3/9/2021 2:26:15 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
Kimberl2020 - 7/6/2021 11:34:05 AM woke up Kimberl2020 - 7/6/2021 11:47:14 AM Profile woke up New post Kimberl2020 - 3/9/2021 3:11:19 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
Aliceooo78 - 7/16/2021 9:03:45 AM password reset via email
Ryder Kudrow - 8/4/2021 9:15:22 AM woke up Ryder Kudrow - 8/4/2021 9:30:58 AM Profile woke up New post Ryder Kudrow - 4/27/2021 2:44:31 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
Dax Robinson - 8/4/2021 5:43:51 AM woke up Dax Robinson - 8/4/2021 6:16:49 AM Profile woke up New post Dax Robinson - 4/28/2021 2:51:55 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
NathanielParker - 7/20/2021 1:06:13 AM password reset via email
Luke Jackson - 8/4/2021 8:59:01 AM woke up Luke Jackson - 8/4/2021 9:35:31 AM Profile woke up New post Luke Jackson - 4/27/2021 9:48:02 AM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
Arranging them into chronological order, we see the pattern of their behavior: Tim-BTC - 3/9/2021 2:26:04 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days defi-Dany - 3/9/2021 2:26:15 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days Kimberl2020 - 3/9/2021 3:11:19 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
Ryder Kudrow - 4/27/2021 2:44:31 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days Luke Jackson - 4/27/2021 9:48:02 AM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days Dax Robinson - 4/28/2021 2:51:55 PM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days
Kimberl2020 - 7/6/2021 11:34:05 AM woke up Kimberl2020 - 7/6/2021 11:47:14 AM Profile woke up New post Tim-BTC - 7/6/2021 12:02:50 PM Profile woke up New post defi-Dany - 7/15/2021 9:24:32 AM Profile woke up New post Aliceooo78 - 7/16/2021 9:03:45 AM password reset via email NathanielParker - 7/20/2021 1:06:13 AM password reset via email
Dax Robinson - 8/4/2021 5:43:51 AM woke up Dax Robinson - 8/4/2021 6:16:49 AM Profile woke up New post Luke Jackson - 8/4/2021 8:59:01 AM woke up Luke Jackson - 8/4/2021 9:35:31 AM Profile woke up New post Ryder Kudrow - 8/4/2021 9:15:22 AM woke up Ryder Kudrow - 8/4/2021 9:30:58 AM Profile woke up New post
Conclusion:There are plenty of gaps in our knowledge of this plague if the time indexes are any indication.
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The Sceptical Chymist (OP)
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August 23, 2021, 03:34:20 PM |
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Thank you to Ratimov and Timelord2067 for that info. I hate to do this, but I'm going to put all of those members on my ignore list for the time being, as I don't want to contribute to any merit abuse that's contributing to a growing account farm. I'm still very interested in hearing opinions and getting more data from other members. The sad part about all of this is that not all of these accounts are terrible shitposters. If they were, they wouldn't have been able to earn as much merit as they have. They do this for only one purpose: to get enough merit and then participate in signature activities or bounty.
No kidding.
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Kontibruno
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August 23, 2021, 09:11:55 PM |
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Thanks, The Pharmacist. Since August 19, I began to conduct an investigation regarding this cheater. All these accounts went through my topic: Kontibruno - Date Registered: July 10, 2021, 09:33:08 AMAll of these accounts applied for help in obtaining rank and almost all of them violated the rule of this topic: Attention: - Do not try to apply using your alts.
Also, I have not yet had time to compile a merit overflow table. Please note that these accounts very often threw merits to each other in order to quickly get the next rank. There is an obvious MERIT ABUSE. I am truly shocked to find my name listed as one of the accounts that are being used as an Alt act. Apart from being a new person here, I am new in the crypto business as a whole. I just started my crypto journey in May of this year and I joined this forum in July. I do not know a single soul among the people listed in this thread neither do I know the origin of any of the accounts. I am open to answer any questions or provide any information you may need to aid your investigation.
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Aliceooo78
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August 24, 2021, 01:16:49 AM |
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ArchivedArchived按照现在市场价格年末能到5万
ArchivedI don't care what you say, I live in China and I don't envy any other country.
ArchivedArchivedWe can conclude 5 users above are from China because 3 of them using Chinese language, @The Ghoul claim live in China and @Aliceooo78 attach images with Chinese language, the images he used is from China article which is using full Chinese language means he should a Chinese citizen too. It's interesting only @Liamttw post a POA and included on the spreadsheet [1] While @Aliceooo78 and @StanleyBoyle didn't even post a POA but wears the signature [2] does it mean he's wear signature on wrong alts or free advertise? Not all users, but most of users above have similar posting style... he went from off topic section, then jump to Bitcoin or Economy section, often talking about China related thread and using ['list'] option on their post, but yeah I don't have any strong proof to claim all of them are alt. I would like to hear 5 above users opinion about this case.
[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G9TKkuKwDijMGlMXIAIaGKmwOyCdFP3xvTXSCOncpQ/edit[2] https://loyce.club/archive/topics/535/5353529.html[/list] I did change my signature, just to try how to do it. After the operation, I forgot about it. I didn't reply to the post or fill out the application form. It has been deleted now. I master Chinese as a foreign language, and I am familiar with Hong Kong, which is not surprising. China is not a monster. I think that it is not questionable to treat a country or a thing objectively, and we cannot deny the development of China. Bitcoin forums are not only non-discriminatory, but also very inclusive. I used to study in China, and the food and beauty of China are really good. I don't talk about politics, and I don't participate in politics. This is my opinion.
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Timelord2067
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August 24, 2021, 01:40:23 AM |
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This is the point in the investigation where the various alts start coming out of the woodwork with various nearly plausible reasons why their accounts are similar to others that have been identified.
Compare their grammar when under the microscope to when they were unaware they are being watched and look for subtle differences.
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HaleyOccam
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August 24, 2021, 03:05:41 AM |
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I was surprised. The first name was me. I seemed to be a suspect in the forum. I abide by the rules of the forum and did not create spam. I actively learn new knowledge in the forum and actively make a little contribution of my own. I am not an account farmer, and I do not have a replacement number (although this phenomenon is real), and I have not participated in any form of bounty program, at least not yet. Maybe I will participate in some projects that I feel are good. Although I feel a little angry, >:(I don’t want to be rude to people I respect. I will continue to abide by the rules of the forum and do my own thing. What I care about is whether I can get more knowledge points. And give merit to the poster (I don't consider whether it is a newbie). Thank you.
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The Ghoul
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August 24, 2021, 08:31:49 AM Last edit: August 24, 2021, 08:58:28 AM by The Ghoul |
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First of all thank you sir, you have played a very good guide to my novice career: [GUIDE for NEWBIE] Merit-help from other users, how to use them correctly?sir, I'm surprised I appeared on your suspicion list. I reviewed all my actions on the forum and did not find any violations of the rules. I have never plagiarized, all posts are through my own thinking. Never beg for merit. Never used an alt account. You can view all my posts one by one, especially those topics. They consume my energy, and I also learned a lot in the process of publishing the topic. I have not posted any spam. I have not participated in any bounty and don’t plan to participate in the future. To be honest, I am not short of money, I have benefited a lot from investing in cryptocurrency. What I care most about is my credibility. I think it’s an insult to me and everyone else on your list. But if many people on this list are innocent, I don't know what other people on your list think. But this list really hurts my self-esteem. You are one of the people who have contributed the most to the forum, and I have always respected you. Thank you for your contribution. @The Ghoul claim live in China.
I never thought of concealing it, I don’t have to lie. It is too funny to judge that this is a batch of alt accounts based on nationality alone. There are 1.4 billion people in China, This reminds me of a Foreign friend of mine telling me that his ex-girlfriend is Chinese, and he asked me if I knew her. This was a joke.It’s hard for me to know his ex-girlfriend from 1.4 billion Chinese. ------------------- If you reject me because our login time is in the same time zone and the names are not normal foreign names. This behavior is no different from the American genocide of Indians. If someone on this list uses an alt account to do bounty, it deserves to be banned. But I don’t accept these groundless accusations.
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joker_josue
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August 24, 2021, 11:02:19 AM |
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Another interesting analysis, regarding the merits distributed by these users: HaleyOccamOut of 16 merits awarded, only 4 were not for users on the list. Aliceooo78Out of 9 merits awarded, only 3 were not for users on the list. Nora OlinOf the 2 merits given, all went to users on the list. EvieLannisterOut of 3 merits awarded, only 1 were not for users on the list. Users not mentioned, generally received merits from these users, or will only give 1 or 2 merits to these or other users.
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