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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
How could such a thing even be achieved? For example, Nancy Pelosi is worth roughly $200 million dollars after a ~30 year career in politics. Accounting for income taxes and assuming she never spent a dollar, then you see you would have to pay her $10 million dollars per year to get her to do her job without needing to play the “dirty game” in order to meet her wealth desires. That’s a 50x pay increase. The question becomes are we willing to pay our leaders as much as our professional athletes in order for them to not be crooked politicians?
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Can politics be pure?Isn't politics pure if it's pure politics? Simply said, Political Science is a method for convincing people to believe something, no matter what it is. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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It could be if majority of the population of a country/region/city were pure as well. I think it's not the case and that is why politics are like that, because the people are also dirty.
Sometimes few decent people try to break this system, but since they have no power and are minority it's easy for the other side to crush them thanks to the endorsement or omission of the rest of the countrymen.
Collective causes are worthless, a waste of time and will most likely prejudice people genuinely involved on them. So I reached to the conclusion it's better to just take care our own life and don't give any importance about politics. This way you will suffer less and protect your physical and psychologial integrity.
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Politics is a different kind of process which has its own cruel rules they are expressing their desire to build a corruption free parliament with the big corrupt people. They know very well that the politics they do is not possible to get close to the edge of the parliament no one knows them in the realm of political society people have nothing to do with the calculation of their wants and needs. It is hoped that civil society will make new politics of political society this politics is not politics for the masses this politics is pure opportunism.
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
I don't think politics can be pure. There are only a few really good politicians. Most of them just work for themselves or some special group, like big companies. It is hard for humans to resist the power. Once politicians are on office there will always be lobbyist who try to change their minds with gifts and money.
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
I think it's extremely rare. To be a successful politician you need to get your hands dirty and make deals with people you don't like or trust. Politics is all about compromise, and being willing to negotiate to achieve not your ideal result, but one that is just good enough. There are certainly politicians who are idealistic and seem pure-hearted, people like Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders... but often these people are the opposition to those in power. In opposition, there isn't really the need to make unpalatable decisions. And the ones that win elections tend to be those who are comfortable playing the game of politics, and who have one eye always on self-advantage.
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
If there is no opposition then it is the dictatorship so are you ready to accept such government ruling method? Corruption can be removed if there are people who is not greedy to make money becomes the leaders, and its not completely possible as well unless everyone in the country as well against the corruption and starts living accordingly then in the next few generation the leaders also will change.
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It is only possible in Plato's imaginary city, the utopia, yes there is only in the dreams of the philosopher and among the papers of his books, but in reality the matter is completely different!!! Politics means lying and deception. The politician cannot be honest and friendly to his enemies. The politician must abandon all morals in order to achieve his goal. Of course, all of them follow the principle of “the end justifies the means,” so they justify lying, deception and sometimes killing in order to reach their goals.
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As far as there are opposition in politics who to stand against politics will always be a dirty game. Every politian want to be in the winning equation, this mindset brings selfishness to get power by all means. No politician choose or desire to be a failure or looser. Like they say every politian fights for his selfish interest. At this point I'll say politics can't be totally pure but it can be partially pure. It is only few people policians in the political system that are partially pure
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August 25, 2021, 08:35:02 AM |
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
Inside the politics was rear spread in the entertainment but I pretty sure in politics there's a dirty deeds ,someone aiming a power or rules inside the Government and also had a bad deeds and intentions fo the country
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This question makes me want to laugh. What topic is this? purely? What is it purely? Is a game without corruption and filthy pure? This is a world composed of people. As long as people participate in things, they will not divorce from human nature. If everyone in this world is pure, then there will be no politics, and this is the kingdom of heaven.
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
Do you know of any politican or ex politican who rises or has risen to the top who lives like a pauper and is not somehow compromised through conflict of interest?
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Intelligent and capable people rarely chooses a political career. The way our politics works should be re-imagined. The first correction we could do is limit the number of political post, decentralize/dissolve parliaments, create a system so that people could vote for every small things. Democracy is stupid but it's less harmful than any other system. Let people decide what they want not the leaders.
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politics can be pure if they first get their pledge/mission statements right and then actually have a method of penalty for not doing it. actual accountability comes first
next is to take out the personal greed and desires. this means if a politician wants to be a millionaire. then they should not apply for a roll that pays 10x less than a million. they should only be candidates if what they want is to be the listening ear of citizens and push through the goals of citizens.
this leads onto not listening to corporations. take capitalism out of politics. if businesses want to thrive then the business has to thrive by offering citizens what citizens want not by offering politicians something in exchange for a loop hole
if politicians and corporations FOLLOW the citizens needs. and not there own. then politics has a chance of being less dirty.
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It can never be pure what prompt the grievances is failure of the political parties to be fair to all their members, the leader always have a hidden agenda best known to them alone, they are authoritarian who never motivate other party organs to function and likewise during election they either change the rules halfway or refuse to forward the name of winning aspirant.
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August 25, 2021, 10:13:09 PM |
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
Politics is not a dirty game it is the politicians that are dirty. Politics is meant for power and leadership, but corruption has eaten deep into our 21 century politician, which has made politics in its entirety as a dirty game.
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Can politics be beyond dirty game? Can their be politics with no hate or envy of opposition
It is quite impossible to achieve such thing, and if it happens someday, then it is a miracle of some sort I guess. Whatever a person do, especially in politics, there is a criticism following this. And the criticism regarding his actions are in both good and bad side. So even though the intention of the politician is for the betterment of the nation, for other's perspective, it is not good. Also, the whole world can know the action and even criticized it based on their own perspective that is influenced by culture, etc.
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yes there is the divide of the minds. and this occurs even when things are bipartisan
take covid. one side(economic) wants the lockdown to end now and inhindsight say it should never have happened other side(health) wants the lockdown to be and have been more stricter to actually prevent all infection
so there is a double argument of government being to soft and being to hard.
but thats democracy. it goes with the majority.
however being dirty is where government and its representatives and their friends are doing things for their own desires and not the majority citizen population.
this could change by making representatives more accountable. where any major changes go to a vote or need to fulfill the mission statement/pledge the representatives got elected by
EG trumps "wall" has many negative viewpoints of disadvantages.. but it was part of his pledge and people voted him in due to it. so its not 'dirty'
what would be dirty is if he was syphoning off profits for his and his buddies personal gain rather than finding the best quality/least cost method of building a wall
things like accountants and regulators should be looking more towards the politicians and less at the citizens just trying to get by on minimum wage. that alone can make politics less dirty
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Intelligent and capable people rarely chooses a political career. The way our politics works should be re-imagined. The first correction we could do is limit the number of political post, decentralize/dissolve parliaments, create a system so that people could vote for every small things. Democracy is stupid but it's less harmful than any other system. Let people decide what they want not the leaders.
Democracy can't be stupid and it isn't stupid because it allows the masses,citizens and people choose whom they want to rule them.It also give the people ample opportunity to vote for election and be voted for. Democracy which is government of the people,,for the people and by the people was meant to be free and fare,but the corruption,nepotism,psychopansy and afghanistanism in the political system has made the system rough.Everybody wants to rule by all cost,and thus will continue because everybody coming to rule have their own selfish interest in the political position and therefore cannot rule the people purely without corruption.
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