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August 27, 2021, 03:04:07 PM
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On this episode of the Resistance Library Podcast, Sam and Dave discuss the subtle differences between “freedom” vs. “liberty.” The terms "freedom" and "liberty" have become clichés in modern political parlance. Because these words are invoked so much by politicians and their ilk, their meanings are almost synonymous and used interchangeably. That's confusing – and can be dangerous – because their definitions are actually quite different.
 
"Freedom" is predominantly an internal construct. Viktor Frankl, the legendary Holocaust survivor who wrote Man's Search For Meaning, said it well: “Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way (in how he approaches his circumstances).”
 
In other words, to be free is to take ownership of what goes on between your ears, to be autonomous in thoughts first and actions second. Your freedom to act a certain way can be taken away from you – but your attitude about your circumstances cannot – making one's freedom predominantly an internal construct.
 
On the other hand, "liberty" is predominantly an external construct. It's the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views. The ancient Stoics knew this (more on that in a minute). So did the Founding Fathers, who wisely noted the distinction between negative and positive liberties, and codified that difference in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.
 
The distinction between negative and positive liberties is particularly important, because an understanding of each helps us understand these seminal American documents (plus it explains why so many other countries have copied them). The Bill of Rights is a charter of negative liberties – it says what the state cannot do to you. However, it does not say what the state must do on your behalf. This would be a positive liberty, an obligation imposed upon you by the state.
 
Thus in keeping with what the late Murray Rothbard said above, the liberty of the individual is the necessary condition for the flowering of all the other "goods" that mankind cherishes. Living in liberty allows each of us to fully enjoy our freedoms. And how these two terms developed and complement one another is important for anyone desiring to better understand what it means to be truly free.
 
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August 30, 2021, 08:15:56 AM
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"Freedom" is predominantly an internal construct. Viktor Frankl, the legendary Holocaust survivor who wrote Man's Search For Meaning, said it well: “Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way (in how he approaches his circumstances).”

One memorable WW2 perspective on freedom is Sartre's comment on early '40s France: "We have never been freer than under the German occupation". There are some great explorations of this idea in his "Roads to Freedom" trilogy. It's a long time since I've read those books, but the themes of existential freedom and authenticity are quite compelling.

A simple example to illustrate the general point is that you are free to go to the shop to buy a toothbrush. If you are ordered to remain at home, and there are armed soldiers patrolling the streets, and using deadly force against transgressors, then you are still free to go to the shop to buy a toothbrush... it's just that the consequences of your exercising that freedom may be far more dramatic in the second example than in the first. So the freedom remains in both scenarios, but in the second, the greater weight of consequence confers on that freedom an increased meaning.






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August 31, 2021, 11:56:13 AM
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liberty is the ability under privilege of allowance by law/lack of law.. rule of property owner

freedom is just the natural function of your own ability

i have the freedom to move my arms and legs without anyones permission, because muscles and brain function
i have the liberty to move my arms and legs because the law doesnt say i cant

laws can restrict someones liberties of 'travel' but your body still has the freedom to move your legs to walk.

EG laws about 'right to travel' nothing stops you from walking so laws about requiring a drivers permit and a registered and mechanically safe vehicle does not impede your freedom to travel(walk) but you dont have the liberty to drive on a road without a permit/mechanically unsafe vehicle unimpeded

a right/freedom to travel is only about your human body. it does not extend to property of others being violated by tresspass.
they may give certain liberties/allowances. but they can also limit those allowances. which is why government roads have government rules.
if you dont like governments rules for their roads in regards to driving rules.. you can always walk
you are still free to travel.. still free to walk

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August 31, 2021, 01:27:25 PM
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Another oddity with perceptions of "freedom" and "liberty" is that they are often invoked in an attempt to justify individual actions (or rail against the curtailment thereof)... with the emphasis being solely on the individual, and ignoring the fact that the individual in question is invariably an individual within a society. For example, someone living in a city complains about being forced to wear a mask or to social-distance, because it impinges on their "freedom"... whilst simultaneously utterly failing to consider that not wearing a mask and not social-distancing impinges on the far more important freedom of their neighbours to not be exposed to a deadly virus.






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